High Ranking US Major General Exposes September 11 High

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Originally Posted by Serpo

Its all a pile of evidence for whatever happened and as there is no photo of an incoming plane .......if there was a plane it would here in this photo..............more fast thinking..........
http://www.freeworldalliance.biz/Pic...agonImpact.jpg

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There are two key things to state here.

First is that the fireball pictured above does not look like an explosive. Explosives generally combust almost instantaneously because they don't require oxygen. They are basically a flash + smoke and debris.

On the other hand, fuel will create such a fireball. It requires oxygen to burn, so the vapors will be heated and move upwards, and create a bunch of flame in a cloud. It's like the difference between a firecracker (flash + smoke) and a cup of gasoline (fireball).

So the missile must have had fuel inside of it rather than a strictly explosive load. The other possibility is that this fuel could have been pre-planted on-site.

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Originally Posted by Serpo

http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/phot...from-above.jpg

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Second, if the missile detonated at the exterior of the building, it would not have been able to make it through 3 rings. Was the missile inert and penetrating? Or did it explode at the exterior? These seem mutually exclusive unless it was either a special non-stock missile, or they pre-planted either the fireball explosion on-site beforehand, or they did something to make the penetration cross-section in the building.

If it was one of those really big missiles that was specially loaded with fuel, it's possible some of it could have detonated at the exterior of the building and the momentum of the rest could have created the hole. But it definitely wouldn't be an off-the-shelf missile imo.

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Originally Posted by joboo

But you're saying this based on information coming from people that you think are lying to you about everything.

You trust them on this data but everything else is completely fake?

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Not at all.

Mine eyes and the physical evidence presented is all that I need.

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Originally Posted by Horn

Not at all.

Mine eyes and the physical evidence presented is all that I need.

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What evidence? Who produced it? Where did you get it from?

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Originally Posted by joboo

What evidence? Who produced it? Where did you get it from?

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Saw it on the T.V.,

I just watch the pictures, the sound is off, music on.

Tchaikovsky is a favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUES5PA0ALg

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Originally Posted by Horn

Saw it on the T.V.,

I just watch the pictures, the sound is off, music on.

Tchaikovsky is a favorite.

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Three frames of a grainy blob hitting the pentagon or are you talking about 1,2, & 7?

I wasn't aware you switched to another subject.

If the whole Pentag0n thing is considered to be a gigantic deception, then everything they are telling you must also be assumed to be a deception.

It can't be both ways just to make it work the way you want it to.

Oui/non?

A soon as I saw the slope from the highway to the base of the building.

This guy breaks it down somewhat with elevation markers.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../a1-Frame1.jpg

The hole at the opposite side was ancillary.

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Originally Posted by joboo

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Originally Posted by PatColo

joobo, as the self-posturing 'sane & rational' 911 researcher you are, what role if any do you speculate "Arab/Muslim Jihadists" played in 911? http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/s...20%2820%29.gif

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Originally Posted by joobo

You on the other hand....and you make it racist™ on top of it all!

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please quote whatever I wrote which triggered your highly tuned waycism-detector... again...???

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Go back and take a look.

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right-o, looked again, still find no indication of your views on either what role if any you speculate "Arab/Muslim Jihadists" played in 911, nor on what specific quote written by me has triggered your highly tuned waycism-detector... again...

please advise, ???

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Originally Posted by Horn

A soon as I saw the slope from the highway to the base of the building.

This guy breaks it down somewhat with elevation markers.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../a1-Frame1.jpg

The hole at the opposite side was ancillary.

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But the guys that faked everything are producing this info for you to control what you think. Right?

How can you trust it either way to form a conclusion if it's all based on lies and deception?

Maybe they only released that one specific video on purpose to elicit an expected reaction?

Do you know for certain?

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Originally Posted by joboo

Do you know for certain?

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In your estimation, what is the distance between the highway and the Pentagon, joboo?

Is there a change in elevation from highway bridge to Pentagon base?

At what height is the exit hole?

Do you want to know one of the only pieces equipment built by man that could achieve a level change over that distance at speeds indicated?

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Originally Posted by Horn

In your estimation, what is the distance between the highway and the Pentagon, joboo?

Is there a change in elevation from highway bridge to Pentagon base?

At what height is the exit hole?

Do you want to know one of the only pieces equipment built by man that could achieve a level change over that distance at speeds indicated?

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You're basing the elevation on the information that they told you was on the black box. They released a second report afterwards with new black box data. You are trusting it all to be true.

Who knows what evidence has been withheld, released, altered, and for what reasons?

Capture all the information, i.e. videos from across the street, and all the other cameras, pictures etc..then release only certain information that is controversial, little bits and pieces at a time, wait....gauge public reaction, then withhold or release more to control the desired result.

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Originally Posted by joboo

You're basing the elevation on the information that they told you was on the black box.

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You're hopeless, you can see with your own eyes the difference in elevation between the bridge and the Pentagon floor in all the photos.

A boeing cannot do that, at speeds needed, over the short distance.

Deja vu in spades: this is a replay of the vigorous arguments about 911 and the WTC collapses where no matter what evidence was presented Halo would would obfuscate and confuse the discussion with red herrings, non sequetars and failing that, blatant insults and condescending sarcasm. Trying to arrive at the truth whilst argung with the Joo is akin to a dog chasing it's tail - don't waste your time. He's not here to learn or instruct - he's here to waste your time and exhaust you.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/vinny-ea...ews-jan-irvin/

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Originally Posted by Horn

You're hopeless, you can see with your own eyes the difference in elevation between the bridge and the Pentagon floor in all the photos.

A boeing cannot do that, at speeds needed, over the short distance.

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...and you're still trusting that the liars, who fabricated this ultra elaborate scheme, provided you with you accurate information. You are trusting them all of the sudden. Why?

You posted the pilots for truth video re:impossible G forces.....all based on data that was released twice, and changed once...from the people you're accusing of lying about everything.

It's one gigantic highly elaborate fabrication...where is the trust factor coming from?

9/11 Conspiracy Writer Dead in 'Murder/Suicide"

Phillip Marshall wrote about conspiracy. Was he a victim of one? '9/11 Truther' Phillip Marshall and his entire family were recently found dead of gunshot wounds in what authorities are calling a murder suicide. Marshall was a former airline pilot and a '9/11 Conspiracy Theorist' and book writer who believed that the Bush administration, with cooperation from Saudi intelligence, had committed the 'false flag' terrorist attacks on September 11th, 2001. Marshall was also a former CIA and DEA pilot during the Iran/Contra Scandal. Marshall lived in fear for his life while writing his 9/11 Truther book implicating the United States government and George W. Bush in the 'false flag' attacks. Has the US government begun an all out assault on whistle blowers and so-called truthers? That would certainly put at least 50% of Beforeitsnews readers and reporters/contributors in jeapordy of a drone strike or 'accident' for merely seeking truth. The excellent videos below share that many Americans believe that this was another HIT upon a man who knew too much and was willing to share his information with the world. Why'd THEY kill his family, and dog, too? Was that REALLY NECESSARY George Bush?

http://beforeitsnews.com/9-11-and-gr...medium=twitter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po6uP8w2kwI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG7chyHaG4s

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9/11 Conspiracy Writer Dead in 'Murder/Suicide"

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Deserves its own thread after this one devolved into kindergarten class.

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Originally Posted by Horn

Deserves its own thread after this one devolved into kindergarten class.

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It has its own thread

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Originally Posted by Horn

Deserves its own thread after this one devolved into kindergarten class.

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I'm just trying to follow your logic. You haven't explained it yet. You're saying everything was elaborately fabricated by liars, then you're turning around and saying their data is valid.

Which is it?

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Originally Posted by Serpo

It has its own thread

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So you're leaving me wandering?

Don't you know I've been in this one for weeks, there's no clear way out...

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Originally Posted by Horn

So you're leaving me wandering?

Don't you know I've been in this one for weeks, there's no clear way out...

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forget it and leave
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http://www.moillusions.com/wp-conten...0/04/bSgDo.jpg

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Originally Posted by joboo

You're saying everything was elaborately fabricated by liars,

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Joboo, the next time you accuse another person here with putting words in your mouth,

I'll hope you remember how grossly you neglect and employ that which offends you.

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Originally Posted by Horn

Joboo, the next time you accuse another person here with putting words in your mouth,

I'll hope you remember how grossly you neglect and employ that which offends you.

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If you're saying it's a missile, and you are, then are we not dealing with some kind of elaborate fabrication?

I'm stating the obvious on what you've already maintained at great length.

How am I putting words in your mouth?

???

http://img.geocaching.com/cache/larg...427e97d015.gif

It's all very simple. Identify the logic you are using to form your conclusions.

It's not a lot to ask.

Who the fuck are you to be asking anyone anything? Your just a derailing jew shill.

Anyhow...

If you say you don't trust something, and turn around in the next breath, and say you trust it....that makes no sense.

It can't be both ways.

You can't cherry pick data to form a conclusion, and not expect to be asked for clarification as to why.

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Originally Posted by joboo

You can't cherry pick data to form a conclusion, and not expect to be asked for clarification as to why.

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Nobody is cherry picking data.

You are neglecting the obvious, or oblivious to it.

Are you suggesting that every single photo from 911 Pentagon is photo chopped?

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Originally Posted by Horn

Nobody is cherry picking data.

You are neglecting the obvious, or oblivious to it.

Are you suggesting that every single photo from 911 Pentagon is photo chopped?

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See, but you are. Now were getting somewhere.

What evidence do you think is real, and what evidence do you think is part of the deception?

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Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2

Who the fuck are you to be asking anyone anything? Your just a derailing jew shill.

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Originally Posted by joboo

See, but you are. Now were getting somewhere.

What evidence do you think is real, and what evidence do you think is part of the deception?

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Now you're just being plain rude, by answering a question with another question.

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Originally Posted by Horn

Now you're just being plain rude, by answering a question with another question.

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I think you're perhaps over reacting.

You have to be willing to think that if they went to such great lengths to fabricate this event...then what evidence do you believe, and what do you dismiss?

It's a very good question.

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Originally Posted by joboo

It's a very good question.

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skooling us again huh?

Are you beginning to understand why they ran a live simulation on that day..and the same on 7/7, and back in 93?

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Originally Posted by PatColo

And when Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory Pentagon show aired in Dec '10, making a very no-HAHP-friendly case; the 911B HAHP clique were howling their ridicule & disgust the following day, having only giving it 2nd Class posting visibility on their Blogs page. Full show, 43 mins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-1...ckfull-episode

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Above YT is dead, removed at request of TruTV, hmmmm....

here's another,
9/11 Pentagon Attack -- Conspiracy Theory' with Gov. Jesse Ventura -- Full Episode


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZdGCS_QCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZdGCS_QCg

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Originally Posted by PatColo

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Originally Posted by joobo

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Originally Posted by PatColo

joobo, as the self-posturing 'sane & rational' 911 researcher you are, what role if any do you speculate "Arab/Muslim Jihadists" played in 911? http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/s...20%2820%29.gif

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Originally Posted by joobo

You on the other hand....and you make it RACISThttp://www.kosher-directory.com/images/Ok.gif on top of it all!

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please quote whatever I wrote which triggered your highly tuned waycism-detector... again...???

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Go back and take a look.

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right-o, looked again, still find no indication of your views on either what role if any you speculate "Arab/Muslim Jihadists" played in 911, nor on what specific quote written by me has triggered your highly tuned waycism-detector... again...

please advise, ???

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still eagerly waiting... :|~... 'like deja vu all over again'...:rolleyes:

Dude that thing is like a maze and my best try I cant get into the second level.

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Originally Posted by PatColo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZdGCS_QCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZdGCS_QCg

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Pretty good show to explain the obvious.

The one chain link in the conspiracy that seemed left undone was where the bodies were identified.

Maybe it would hit too close to home speaking about the dead.

On a side note where do they grow the genetic info. for these dupli-soul robot women?

http://securitydebrief.com/wp-conten...urity-Show.jpg

^ Hufschmid's "Painful Deceptions" speculated about the pentagon/dna question... mere speculation of course but perfectly plausible, and his docu' was first (full length) to hit the scene back around '02 or so, pentagon segment:
The Painful Deception of 9/11 (3of12)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n96Lxjdq3A4


full:
9/11 - Painful Deceptions - (Full Length).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5wkyEDIxTk


Cebu- it's a maze (reply 274), but half that dialog is on the prior page, so I just put together the key parts to ensure it didn't get lost in joobo-squid-ink.

If joobo remains silent wrt further explanation particularly of her "RACISThttp://www.kosher-directory.com/images/Ok.gif" personal attack against me, then her banning from GSUS would be perfectly appropriate. Normally my attitude re the obvious shills is aligned with mamboni's here... but baseless personal attacks as it appears she's committed above, and has failed to either clarify or redact, crosses the line into BIGOTRYhttp://www.kosher-directory.com/images/Ok.gif & HATEhttp://www.kosher-directory.com/images/Ok.gif. :(

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Originally Posted by joboo

Are you beginning to understand why they ran a live simulation on that day..and the same on 7/7, and back in 93?

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To keep people divided, and arguing while the perpetrators sit back, and watch the confusion just like the left right paradigm?

Correct.

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Originally Posted by joboo

To keep people divided, and arguing while the perpetrators sit back, and watch the confusion just like the left right paradigm?

Correct.

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Though the forum is unanimous in its verdict.

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Originally Posted by Horn

Though the forum is unanimous in its verdict.

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Is the forum the truth movement re: pentag0n on 9II?....no it's not.

Are you still 100% right, or have you thought about how you might not be after all?