Geocentrism

Mulgrew’s Role In Controversial Documentary

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"Yesterday, many Star Trek fans were confused when they heard that Kate Mulgrew was the narrator of The Principle, a documentary claiming that the sun revolves around the Earth.


The documentary, produced by Holocaust-denier Robert Sungenis, makes an argument for geocentrism, a theory debunked by Galileo Galilei hundreds of years ago.


“I understand there has been some controversy about my participation in a documentary called The Principle,” said Mulgrew, via her Facebook account. “Let me assure everyone that I completely agree with the eminent physicist Lawrence Krauss, who was himself misrepresented in the film, and who has written a succinct rebuttal in Slate. I am not a geocentrist, nor am I in any way a proponent of geocentrism. More importantly, I do not subscribe to anything Robert Sungenis has written regarding science and history and, had I known of his involvement, would most certainly have avoided this documentary. I was a voice for hire, and a misinformed one, at that. I apologize for any confusion that my voice on this trailer may have caused.”


Sungenis runs a website claiming that “Galileo was Wrong – The Church was Right.”


Physicist Lawrence Krauss cried foul in a Slate article, located here, but unlike Mulgrew, he didn’t even knowingly participate in the documentary. “I have no recollection of being interviewed for such a film, and of course had I known of its premise I would have refused,” he said. “So, either the producers used clips of me that were in the public domain, or they bought them from other production companies that I may have given some rights to distribute my interviews to, or they may have interviewed me under false pretenses, in which case I probably signed some release. I simply don’t know.” "

Controversy sells. What a horrid man that Sungenis, being a holocau$t denier and all... :) Gives it street cred, but I doubt it would be bought by the network Telavivzion channels.

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The Cosmological Principle and geocentrism

"You may have heard of the documentary film “The Principle” written and produced in the US by Rick DeLano, which is to be released in the Spring of 2014. It features interviews with a line-up of notable cosmologists including Michio Kaku, Laurence Krauss, and Max Tegmark. Many are big bang cosmologists who support the standard paradigm, whose proponents hold to a worldview which assumes there is no privileged frame of reference in the Universe. Others interviewed hold to alternate cosmological worldviews, notably those who hold to the idea that the Earth is in a privileged place in the Universe. I am interviewed in the film."

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"those who hold to the idea that the Earth is in a privileged place in the Universe."

OMG! Anti-Semitic Cosmological Supremacism...:o "Check Your Privilege". :)

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Controversy sells. What a horrid man that Sungenis, being a holocau$t denier and all... :) Gives it street cred, but I doubt it would be bought by the network Telavivzion channels.

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The movie will open in theaters. This whole situation is hilarious. These scientists are scared shitless at this point. None of them had any issue with doing the interviews, but now the cosmic writing is on the wall, and they are starting to realize its implications.

"The Principle" Has A Major Announcement To Make!


On Wednesday, May 28, 2014, at 8pm Eastern, on Michael Voris' "Mic'd Up" show streaming worldwide on ChurchMilitant TV, the Executive Producer and Producer of "The Principle" will officially announce our release date and additional particulars concerning our upcoming theatrical distribution!

Heads up!- we will also be addressing in delicious and hilarious detail the various claims which have been advanced concerning our alleged preternatural powers to hypnotize the smartest guys in the world into interviews so we could cleverly edit them into saying they are all geocentrists, and to somehow manage to have Captain Janeway read the entire script of the film into the microphone without ever having understood what the film was about.

Also, we will address just who might have…you know…sort of "pushed the button" on this comical media narrative, which spread throughout the internet in twenty four short hours.

Who was behind this amazing example of media buffoonery?

(HINT: It Ain't The Jews!)

Do.

Not.

Miss.

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Tally-ho and away we go!

I have read Dr. Robert Sungenis for a few years and I find nothing to indicate he is a "Holocaust denier." I guess I would need your definition of that term.

Here is the January 2014 Mic'd Up show Dr. Sungenis did with ChurchMilitant.TV (Voris).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIqsVMQGoK0

Mic'd Up "The Principle: Is Earth Really the Center of the Universe?

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Following fact referenced in many articles by Catholics in several places...

The Red Cross itself released it's estimates of all Concentration Camp deaths as 262,000 here: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php...=6924&start=15

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I had copied several of Dr. Sungenis' articles over the years but now the URLs are no longer working for various reasons as is the following. Archive.org does have quite a bit of the hundreds of great articles he used to have on his site, Catholicintl.org but it is difficult to find things on the Wayback machine in my opinion.

Dr. Sungenis gutted his website and basically turned it into a store of his books and tapes. I wonder if someone forced that on him. He wrote me an email and said he would send me any old articles I wanted but I did not take him on that. The poor man is under extreme pressure for the stance he has taken against the Jews, and he supports everything he says with quality bible verse exegesis. Dr. S. is now a professor at Fisher-Moore traditional Catholic college in Ft. Worth, Texas. He moved his large family (eleven children) from Pennsylvania to Texas. Good fortune for Texas.

http://www.sungenisandthejews.com/Section2.html

From Question #47, November 2006

Sungenis: "The documented records of the International Red Cross show that there were less than a few hundred thousand Jews who died in Nazi camps, and that most of those were from disease." (October, 2009)

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“R. Sungenis…. I have my doubts that it was 6 million, but even if it was
1 million, still, the point remains that they were a marked race by the Nazis. Hitler hated the Jews, not only for what he saw as a youth, but because the Jews had a stranglehold on European finance and banking for many years. There are some stories, however, that suggest these Jewish banking familes actually helped Hitler in his quest, since their objective was to ellicit world-wide sympathy so as to migrate European and Russian Jews to Palestine, their long-sought goal which they have, indeed, accomplished.”
(End of correspondence)
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Sungenis: “every place that [the Jews] have beeen throughout history, they have been excised. Because they do the same thing every time they go in there, they try to take over places that they go to! And every time they do, people get wise to it, just we’re doing now, and they get themselves in trouble. And then they wonder why they’re so persecuted, and vagabonds across the face of the earth for the last 2,000 years – well this is why!”

May 28th, 8 PM EST

"The Principle" Fights Back! See It Live!

http://new.livestream.com/churchmili...events/3016104

Sales lesson #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3...amp;feature=kp

I anticipate that some scientists who opened their mouths and said stupid things about a movie that they freely participated in (and got paid for in most cases) will feel a bit more foolish after tonight. :rolleyes:

The Principle - Under Attack

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The Principle has become “the most reviewed movie never to be seen by its reviewers” in the history of films. The sad part is, every review been filled with lies, accusations and insinuations. Some of these lies include such things as: “the participants have no knowledge of ever giving permission to use their names, photos or words in the film,” “the producers of The Principle obtained clips from Youtube, not actual interviews,” “the producers of The Principle duped the participants into doing a movie about geocentrism,” “the producer of The Principle is an anti-semite and holocaust denier,” and many other things. LIVE tonight, producers Rick DeLano and Bob Sungenis, will be defending themselves against these lies. They will be showing the signed release forms. They will also bring a copy of the script to show that Kate Mulgrew knew precisely what she was saying when she did the recording; She was sent the script for her approval weeks in advance of her recording in New York.
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From what I understand, there will be some amusing clips, etc. :cool:

I've been looking all over the Internet for a trailer. Any idea where?
:rolleyes:

Watch live stream tonight May 28

The Principle - Under Attack

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http://new.livestream.com/churchmili...events/3016104

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I've been looking all over the Internet for a trailer. Any idea where?
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Raise thine eyes to the rising sun... ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cBvMCucTg

I want the movie not the trailer, any clue?

The movie is not released yet. It will be released in major theaters in September 2014. This delay in the release of the movie was caused by disgusting "Catholic" establishment bloggers - Mark Shea, Karl Keating and David Palm. There were "contract denials", "death threats," and other brouhaha. These three fake Catholics have done everything they can to make this movie seem like a Jew-bashing effort and that has scared the Hollywood people who are producing this movie.

The fake Catholic people, named above, who continually say Dr. Sungenis and Rick Delano the other person who made this movie happen are claiming that the whole movie is about "the Jews" when it is about the cosmos and has absolutely nothing to do with "the Jews."

The whole and true theme or thesis of the movie is that there is God and the Earth is very special and holds a very unique and special place in the universe, possibly the center of the universe.

Dr. Sungenis talks much less than the very animated other guest, rick Delano, because he has been under attack by the same "Church of Nice Catholic Blog-hysterics". He has 11 children and had to take a professor job teaching theology in Ft. Worth traditional Catholic College that is also under attack by other "Catholics." He still has his website, CatholicIntl.com, but all of the excellent articles he wrote over the years have been taken down from the site and some can only be found at archive.org, the Wayback Machine.

There was several minutes in the show where there was no audio but a good recording of the show should be available here sometime today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNV2...JhU64JoTBVSWeQ

I never worried about something that I cannot do anything about......I leave that to "The Force".

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The whole show is available here with full audio.

https://new.livestream.com/churchmil...events/3016104

Robert Sungenis made a conscious decision to concentrate on things like cosmology and evolution as opposed to social and other Church issues. This includes issues related to the Jews. He hung out in circles including people like E. Michael Jones (and still does). He was under a lot of attack from both Catholic and secular forces fir his position on the Jews (including being named one of the Dirty Dozen by the SPLC).

The movie involves recent observation that call into question the Copernican Principle. It is discussed in this thread: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...20-Geocentrism

The principle is that people will "believe" anything.

Knowing is beyond these people.

I have watched the trailer and read this this thread

I am puzzled: so earth is the center of the universe despite the fact that we have pictures of galaxies/milky way?

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I have watched the trailer and read this this thread

I am puzzled: so earth is the center of the universe despite the fact that we have pictures of galaxies/milky way?

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No problem, we see them because they are imbedded and part of the crystal sphere, that we are in the center of.

Everything in the sky revolves around us, we are in the center of everything!

;D

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I have watched the trailer and read this this thread

I am puzzled: goecentrism... so earth would be the center of the universe despite the fact that we have pictures of galaxies/milky way ???

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What do pictures of the galaxy/milkyway have to do with it? Interestingly, the signals embedded in the CMB are aligned to the ecliptic (the plane the planets travel around the sun) and the equinoxes (i.e., the earth), and NOT the galactic plane (which is substantially different). This is part of why Lawrence Krauss said (in 2005): (my emphasis)

"But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe. The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is [s]imply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales."

Maybe not.

Of course a lot of people in 2005 thought it was likely instrument error, and they all looked to the Planck satellite, which had a much better design to be sure instrument errors would be eliminated, to referee. Note that Krauss interviewed in 2011, as did Kaku, and many others (2011-2012). The Planck results were released in 2013. Oops. No instrument error. Oops, what did we say during those interviews? Yikes!


http://youtu.be/U6_adWD5H-s

I edited quite a bit this morning.

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That would say we are truly the center of the universe. The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe

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Maybe what the claims of principle documentary could be applicable to just any celestial object? The point of view of the observer being unique and the only one that matters in The Whole In One perspective...

in a way I can agree with that, but coming from another concept as I subscribe to the Whole Being One, and The One Being The Whole. In this theory, though, there is no center per se as everything is. Could the principle movie prove that Pantheism (the belief that the universe or nature as the totality of everything, God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations) be scientifically correct ?

If so, there is nothing new, this teachings have been around for at least 5000 years. And I believe this to be the only One World Religion threat vs Monotheism which regards God separated from his creation. Pantheism is endorsed by the new age movement, hence why new age is tagged as evil. There is nothing new with Pantheism... this new age label has no legs. But I surely can understand why Abrahamic faiths feel threatened, especially Judaism as it is the starting point.

does goecentrism claim that earth is unique, we are alone in the Universe?

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I edited quite a bit this morning.



Maybe what the claims of principle documentary could be applicable to just any celestial object? The point of view of the observer being unique and the only one that matters in The Whole In One perspective...

in a way I can agree with that, but coming from another concept as I subscribe to the Whole Being One, and The One Being The Whole. In this theory, though, there is no center per se as everything is. Could the principle movie prove that Pantheism (the belief that the universe or nature as the totality of everything, God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations) be scientifically correct ?

If so, there is nothing new, this teachings have been around for at least 5000 years. And I believe this to be the only One World Religion threat vs Monotheism which regards God separated from his creation. Pantheism is endorsed by the new age movement, hence why new age is tagged as evil. There is nothing new with Pantheism... this new age label has no legs. But I surely can understand why Abrahamic faiths feel threatened, especially Judaism as it is the starting point.

does goecentrism claim that earth is unique, we are alone in the Universe?

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The signals embedded in the CMB are uniquely aligned to earth. They are not aligned to the Milky Way or any other cosmic object or objects. Having someone like Lawrence Krauss say what he did means it is pretty significant. Max Tegmark, Dagan Huterer, and others have echoed this sentiment. Krauss' tendency is to bash anything smacking of the possibility of a God. Ultimately he is a scientist, and if he sees overwhelming evidence for something, he needs to be honest and state it (and to his credit he did in this case). Of course, (I suspect) he expected that the Planck satellite would demonstrate that the signal was an artifact of instrumentation or scanning errors in WMAP (as many scientists did expect, and in fact some labored to design Planck to not have these issues based on analysis of what could have caused false readings), but alas, Planck not only confirmed the observation, but practically eliminated the possibility of instrumentation or scanning error. This is very big (at least as big as the universe, likely even bigger ;) ).

so john are you saying every thing that we have been told about the world and the stuff around us is all a lie are just wrong ?

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so john are you saying every thing that we have been told about the world and the stuff around us is all a lie are just wrong ?

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The picture of the universe that we have been presented is not what the universe is. What we see and do in our daily lives is totally unimpacted by this fact.

Please overlook my relative ignorance on this subject, but would someone more knowledgeable please explain this in concrete specific terms and not philosophical, or consequential?

What I am wondering is exactly what was the CMB measuring? What was the Plank satellite measuring? (What is CMB)?

As I always understood the ecliptic, it is the plane on which most of the planets revolve around the sun (Pluto's orbit is a bit outside that plane), even though there are small differences in the planar angle for each of the orbiting planets. Then the plane in which the earth rotates is about 18 degrees (I forgot that exact number) off the ecliptic - right? Then there is the plane on which most of the stars in the milky way are orbiting (very slowly) around a galactic center. Are they saying that the galactic plane is different than the solar system plane? And what did the CMB (and Plank) measure that leads them to conclude that "the earth is the center of the universe"? That sounds like poppycock, since we already know the earth orbits the sun, and the sun orbits the galactic center.

If anyone here can get right to the specific details of what they were measuring and why, and how they jumped to whatever conclusions they are making that are causing such a fuss - please advise.

Thank you so much, whoever wants to pin this all down in simple, concrete terms.

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Please overlook my relative ignorance on this subject, but would someone more knowledgeable please explain this in concrete specific terms and not philosophical, or consequential?

What I am wondering is exactly what was the CMB measuring? What was the Plank satellite measuring? (What is CMB)?

As I always understood the ecliptic, it is the plane on which most of the planets revolve around the sun (Pluto's orbit is a bit outside that plane), even though there are small differences in the planar angle for each of the orbiting planets. Then the plane in which the earth rotates is about 18 degrees (I forgot that exact number) off the ecliptic - right? Then there is the plane on which most of the stars in the milky way are orbiting (very slowly) around a galactic center. Are they saying that the galactic plane is different than the solar system plane? And what did the CMB (and Plank) measure that leads them to conclude that "the earth is the center of the universe"? That sounds like poppycock, since we already know the earth orbits the sun, and the sun orbits the galactic center.

If anyone here can get right to the specific details of what they were measuring and why, and how they jumped to whatever conclusions they are making that are causing such a fuss - please advise.

Thank you so much, whoever wants to pin this all down in simple, concrete terms.

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Start here:


https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-special-place
https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/8b99ee2d3466
https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/26f88f17a732
https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/3aea2f3ed819

The more I read, the more confused I get. Could someone please just tell me where the coin slot to this universe is located so I can play the danged thing?

Ok, JohnQPublic, I looked at those websites and the only one that had even a hint of anything specific was the third one:

https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/26f88f17a732

in which they claim that the distribution of background radiation detected shows an "alignment" that "correlates" to the ecliptic (the orbital plane of the planets around the sun). Big fucking deal!

They don't specify in any detail what this "alignment" is, nor what the "correlation" is. Can we visualize what is bothering them?
Faced with an uneven distribution of background radiation, wouldn't one try to look for influences of our nearest star (the sun) as to how it might be affecting the readings?

How far away from the Sun was that Plank satellite - far enough to dampen any of the Sun's influence?

This sounds to me like a phoney baloney jewish snake oil trick show from the back of a gypsy wagon to an easily bamboozled audience - using the "awe" of scientific boogaboo ("alignment/correlation") that no one bothers to spell out in enough detail to even know what the hell they are so worried about.

Common sense, by ordinary farmers, can suggest that the Sun's influence on all things we can detect is enough to blur what you might find from a great distance from any star - especially if all you are doing is measuring radiation. Isn't the Sun spewing out radiation all the time, varying amounts and bursts and flares, and varying frequencies and even some not fully understood here on earth? Why would these scientists not be working their models to account for the Sun's influence on their measurements, instead of trying to make some philosophical end-of-the-world mambo jumbo talk to the common folks out here? I smell some kind of cheap-jew-trickery bamboozlement in the air here.

still cannot wrap my mind about a theory asserting that earth is the center or the universe, unless this can be applied to any celestial objects. I explained why earlier. If not, sorry this is just another "earth is flat" delusion. Additionally, there is a multiverse... center of what?

a center also would imply that planets/stars move and spin at the same speed... impossible, only the galaxy is. All objects within it, have various motions.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._longitude.JPG


The Universe within 50000 Light Years
http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/tycho.gif

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Why would these scientists not be working their models to account for the Sun's influence on their measurements, instead of trying to make some philosophical end-of-the-world mambo jumbo talk to the common folks out here? I smell some kind of cheap-jew-trickery bamboozlement in the air here.

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They need to keep the Pope alive until such time as after the great leveling of heads,

so he can then tell all males Not to wear a condom again.

It is a wholly unnatural thought, and only notional to possible alien that everything in the universe spins while the Earth does not.

Weak gravity force alone would tear our condom that is Earth to ribbons. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

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Ok, JohnQPublic, I looked at those websites and the only one that had even a hint of anything specific was the third one:

https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-speci...e/26f88f17a732

in which they claim that the distribution of background radiation detected shows an "alignment" that "correlates" to the ecliptic (the orbital plane of the planets around the sun). Big fucking deal!

They don't specify in any detail what this "alignment" is, nor what the "correlation" is. Can we visualize what is bothering them?
Faced with an uneven distribution of background radiation, wouldn't one try to look for influences of our nearest star (the sun) as to how it might be affecting the readings?

How far away from the Sun was that Plank satellite - far enough to dampen any of the Sun's influence?

This sounds to me like a phoney baloney jewish snake oil trick show from the back of a gypsy wagon to an easily bamboozled audience - using the "awe" of scientific boogaboo ("alignment/correlation") that no one bothers to spell out in enough detail to even know what the hell they are so worried about.

Common sense, by ordinary farmers, can suggest that the Sun's influence on all things we can detect is enough to blur what you might find from a great distance from any star - especially if all you are doing is measuring radiation. Isn't the Sun spewing out radiation all the time, varying amounts and bursts and flares, and varying frequencies and even some not fully understood here on earth? Why would these scientists not be working their models to account for the Sun's influence on their measurements, instead of trying to make some philosophical end-of-the-world mambo jumbo talk to the common folks out here? I smell some kind of cheap-jew-trickery bamboozlement in the air here.

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This is coming from mainstream scientists, and believe me they have been trying for years to make it go away, but it does not. Take a look at this:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~huter...MB_Huterer.pdf

I think some here do not fully know what the thesis of this film is.

From what I know so far, with the entire movie not being released yet, they never claim that the "earth is at the center" of the universe. I used that term loosely but they do not specifically claim the "center" idea.

I do not know much at all about cosmology, but their thesis seems plausible to me and I respect them for having the courage to put it forward. The authors of the film are being persecuted by the Zionist establishment including the Catholic Zionist establishment. The only thing I do not understand is the real reason Dr. Sungenis and Mr. Delano went to Hollywood and sought the expertise of the mainly Zionist film makers there. I can understand their wanting the material made into a very high-quality professionally directed movie, but it seems that is obtainable elsewhere.

Nothing good comes out of Hollywood.

See this, too: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~huter...cmb_review.pdf

"(i) the four area vectors of the quadrupole and octopole
are mutually close (i.e., the quadrupole and octopole
planes are aligned) at the 99.6% C.L.;
(ii) the quadrupole and octopole planes are orthogonal
to the ecliptic at the 95.9% C.L.; this alignment was at 98.5% C.L.
in our analysis of the WMAP 1 year maps.
The reduction of alignment was due to WMAP’s
adaption of a new radiometer gain model for the 3
year data analysis, that took seasonal variations of the
receiver box temperature into account—a systematic
that is indeed correlated with the ecliptic plane. We
regard that as clear evidence that multipole vectors
are a sensitive probe of alignments;
(iii) the normals to these four planes are aligned with
the direction of the cosmological dipole (and with
the equinoxes) at a level inconsistent with Gaussian
random, statistically isotropic skies at 99.7% C.L.;
(iv) the ecliptic threads between a hot and a cold spot
of the combined quadrupole and octopole map,
following a node line across about 1/3ofthe sk yand
separating the three strong extrema from the three
weak extrema of the map; this is unlikely at about the
95% C.L."

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still cannot wrap my mind about a theory asserting that earth is the center or the universe, unless this can be applied to any celestial objects. I explained why earlier. If not, sorry this is just another "earth is flat" delusion. Additionally, there is a multiverse... center of what?

a center also would imply that planets/stars move and spin at the same speed... impossible, only the galaxy is. All objects within it, have various motions.

The Universe within 50000 Light Years

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You are making assumptions. You are assuming isotropy. This is what mainstream science also assumes, but they look for evidence to support the assumption. The CMB data actually hurts that assumption. From Hawking, A Brief History of Time (illustrating mainstream science's understanding of the assumption):

...all this evidence that the universe looks the same whichever direction we look in might seem to suggest there is something special about our place in the universe. In particular, it might seem that if we observe all other galaxies to be moving away from us, then we must be at the center of the universe.

He does provide and alternative view, though:

There is, however, an alternate explanation: the universe might look the same in every direction as seen from any other galaxy, too. This, as we have seen, was Friedmann’s second assumption. We have no scientific evidence for, or against, this assumption. We believe it only on grounds of modesty: it would be most remarkable if the universe looked the same in every direction around us, but not around other points in the universe.

As for the multiverse, that is really out there. It is an untestable assumption. The beauty of the CMB observations is that they are viewable and testable. Their interpretation is very open, but the CMB signal is clearly correlated to us.

Scientists can only begin to understand very small pieces of larger puzzle. Until they can answer the ultimate questions, they know nothing and their theories about the universe are worthless.
The ultimate questions are:
Why does the universe exist?
How can the universe be infinate?
How can something exist with no beginning?
How can something be created without a creator?

Oh, and Stephan Hawking is a shithead and a liar that has many people fooled.

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The whole show is available here with full audio.

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Why isn't anyone giving us a link to where we can view it from a pre-release Chinese dup recording?

Or is it still in audience capture mode?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYHwX0PlWAc