150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters

I have been doing a lot of digging to find out if this Oregon US Distrct Court has criminal jurisdiction in these cases. Everthing I have encountered says unless the legislature ceded the land to the USA the state retains civil and criminal jurisdiction. This Malheur Reserve is not Article I Section 8 Clause 17 property (forts dockyards magazines needful buildings). It is public land, and public land owned by USA apparently falls under the jurisdiction of the state it is located in. The USA is considered just another property owner.

If it is proven the Court lacks jurisdiction, the judges, DOJ attorneys are wide open to criminal charges and civil suits because they are acting personally outside their office.

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I have been doing a lot of digging to find out if this Oregon US Distrct Court has criminal jurisdiction in these cases. Everthing I have encountered says unless the legislature ceded the land to the USA the state retains civil and criminal jurisdiction. This Malheur Reserve is not Article I Section 8 Clause 17 property (forts dockyards magazines needful buildings). It is public land, and public land owned by USA apparently falls under the jurisdiction of the state it is located in. The USA is considered just another property owner.

If it is proven the Court lacks jurisdiction, the judges, DOJ attorneys are wide open to criminal charges and civil suits because they are acting personally outside their office.

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Good luck getting their lawyers to challenge jurisdiction. They are beholden to the BAR and will do as instructed by the court.

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Good luck getting their lawyers to challenge jurisdiction. They are beholden to the BAR and will do as instructed by the court.

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I know that, and I have communicated that to some interesrted parties on behalf of the defendants. I hope they take the ball and run with it. But most people think they need a lawyer to defend them.

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I know that, and I have communicated that to some interesrted parties on behalf of the defendants. I hope they take the ball and run with it. But most people think they need a lawyer to defend them.

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Years of brainwashing is a very difficult thing to overcome unfortunately.....

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Years of brainwashing is a very difficult thing to overcome unfortunately.....

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Then when someone like me tells them . . . . . . . . . I am just another conspiracy thoerist

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Then when someone like me tells them . . . . . . . . . I am just another conspiracy thoerist

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Yeah, have gotten that too even when what you are saying is black and white.... Such as Article 1 section 8 clause 17......

Canada's Prof. Tony Hall went to OR last week to investigate; this is a special show he & KBarrett did, 73 mins:


A Political Assassination in Oregon? — A False Flag Weekly News Special Report 02/19/2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYwmFiaeedU

Anthony Hall in my reply 797 above, spends a lot of time talking about Palmer, who Hall spoke with for about 15 minutes, Palmer said this is all really affecting him & his family, and felt he couldn't talk about it. Hall says Palmer seemed tortured, deeply troubled by everything.

I guess Sheriff Palmer was sent a letter with some unknown chem substance, and went to the hospital a rash, tingly arms and metalic taste in mouth.

"Spiro", 8 mins:

Obama Set to Settle Score Against Oregon Constitutional Sheriff Outspoken On Second Amendment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwQwMHqP23Q

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Obama Set to Settle Score Against Oregon Constitutional Sheriff Outspoken On Second Amendment
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US Media Bury the Three-Year Long Grudge Held by the Feds against Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer

In the latest development involving the Burns-OR Standoff case, the Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training is asking the state Department of Justice to investigate Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer after receiving numerous complaints from the public and others, including dispatchers and the John Day police chief. The Department has released eight separate complaints, including ones from a 911 manager and the John Day police chief, alleging misconduct by Palmer, and raising alarm concerning Palmer's association with leaders of the refuge occupation.

Sheriff Palmer, in 2013, landed on the very wrong side of the Obama Administration and its Fed muscles with his unapologetic and highly public stand against the proposed disproportionate measures against the Second Amendment. That’s one.
Sheriff Palmer was one of the prime targets in the mysterious case of envelopes containing a toxic substance mailed to Oregon law enforcement offices, which were handed over to the FBI for forensic investigation and never again saw the light of day. That’s one as well.
Sheriff Palmer has been a strict constitutionalist- a proponent of the separation of powers, pro local authority vs federal intrusions, and a staunch defender of the sanctity of the Second Amendment. None of which is tolerated by the current federal powers. Any one enough to land him on the fed’s to-be-persecuted list. That’s definitely a one.
Sheriff Palmer is now a direct target of the Federal Government’s witch-hunt, geared to set an example and destroy the last pockets of resistance and righteousness in the nation of the-no-longer-free. And that’s another one.


http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2016/...


CSPOA assembles Sheriffs, Peace Officers and Citizens who understand the grave implications of our eroding Constitutional protections. Whether it’s an illegal checkpoint violating the 4th Amendment, 2nd Amendment intrusions affecting your defense of your home or family, or ANY other infringement of your freedom, CSPOA is on the front line defending your rights and Liberty.
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Backing Infowars May Soon Be Considered “Material Support” of Terrorism

DOJ looking to tweak PATRIOT Act and prosecute anti-government "extremists"

Kurt Nimmo | Infowars.com - February 21, 2016 90 Comments

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In October with little fanfare the Justice Department created a new position to emphasize the threat the government says it faces from so-called domestic extremists.

“Homegrown violent extremists can be motivated by any viewpoint on the full spectrum of hate—anti-government views, racism, bigotry, anarchy and other despicable beliefs,” John Carlin, in charge of DOJ’s national security division, told a seminar on terrorism at George Washington University. The event was hosted by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).
Carlin said government and law enforcement now consider individuals and groups opposed to the authority of the state to be the top terrorism concern, a threat he said overshadows Muslim extremism.
Carlin’s remark designating “anarchy” as “despicable” reveals that the government considers any opposition to the state to be terrorism. The word anarchy is derived from ancient Greek word anarchia, meaning without a ruler or centralized authority.



“I can say, based on our briefings, that as I said in my opening remarks, we very much think that the domestic terrorism threat is a real and present threat that demands to be addressed in new, creative ways,” Carlin said, adding that the “Southern Poverty Law Center and other groups in this space are very important.”
In 2010 Infowars noted the Department of Homeland Security considers the SPLC to be a de facto division of the federal government. Stewart Rhodes of the patriot group the Oath Keepers uncovered a document that lists Richard Cohen as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council. Cohen is the president and CEO of the SPLC.
“What does the working group do? Make recommendations on training and how to use all of the local resources—police, social services, media, NGO’s, you name it—to fight ‘extremism.’ So, now no need to file a FOIA request to discover that SPLC is writing the reports naming constitutionalists as possible terrorists. Now it is in your face and the mask is off,” Rhodes explained.
In April 2009 a document produced by the Department of Homeland Security, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” characterized patriot political groups that reject “federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or [reject] government authority entirely” as domestic terrorists.Material Support for Terrorism to be Used Against Patriots

In early February Reuters reported Justice Department officials will ask Congress for a statute “to toughen the fight against anti-government extremists.” A similar law is currently used to prosecute individuals accused of providing “material support” for Muslim terrorist groups currently on the State Department’s list of international terrorist organizations.
The PATRIOT Act codifies material support as distributing literature, political advocacy and donating money to groups and individuals the government considers terrorists. An individual does not need to be involved in violence to be prosecuted. Moreover, the government does not need to “show that any specific act of terrorism has taken place, or is being planned, or even that a defendant intended to further terrorism,” according to an ACLU white paper.
“A different standard is being applied to Muslims than to other people,” a former counterterrorism expert at the Department of Homeland Security now working as a law enforcement consultant told Reuters.
Carlin said his team at the DOJ is taking a “thoughtful look at the nature and scope of the domestic terrorism threat” and helping to analyze “potential legal improvements and enhancements to better combat those threats.”
Reuters specifically mentions as anti-government extremism the non-violent civil disobedience of the group led by Ammon Bundy at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge last month.
Last week Cliven Bundy and four others were indicted by a federal grand jury in Nevada on charges related to the 2014 “standoff”at the Bundy ranch. The charges include: conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer, weapon use and possession, assault on a federal officer, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction, extortion to interfere with commerce, and interstate travel in aid of extortion.
Nevada Democrat Senator and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid called the Bundy family patriarch a “domestic terrorist.”
The government considers the act of civil disobedience in Nevada to be a violent act. “This indictment sends a resounding message to those who wish to participate in violent acts that our resolve to pursue them and enforce the law remains unwavering,” Nevada FBI Special Agent in Charge Laura Bucheit said.If the government gets its wish and is permitted to use the material support statute against non-violent constitutionalists, members patriot groups and those rejecting the authority of the state over the individual, supporters of Alex Jones and Infowars—characterized by the SPLC as extremist—may eventually be prosecuted as terrorists.

So non-violent, non-compliance is to be considered extremism. Nice.

Uncle Satan: Now, suck my balls or I WILL fuck you up.