The "Israel did 9/11" Thread

My intent is to expose as many members and visitors as possible to the facts, witness accounts, news reports and commentaries surrounding the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon and the overwhelming evidence that Israeli Mossad was the prime engineer of the attacks, and traitors within the US government and intelligence aided and abetted. Having all of this information in one thread would increase the likelihood that a curious neonate might peruse and become enlightened. I ask members here to post only high qualtiy material and links.

To get us started, here is an interesting collection of media stories relevant to the 9/11 attacks:

250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the Mainstream Media


http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the Mainstream Media


PLANNED BEFORE

1. 1962 - US military drafted 'Operation Northwoods', a plan to commit terror acts in US cities, kill innocent people, hijack airplanes, and plant evidence as a way to trick the public into thinking Cuba committed an unprovoked attack against the US in order to support a war against Cuba. (ABC, Natl Security Archives)
2. March '00 - Filming begins for The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode that depicts a US plot to crash an electronically hijacked Boeing 727 into WTC and blame foreign terrorists to provoke war and increase military's budget (KC Star), March '01 - 'Pilot' episode airs on FOX TV, 6 months before attacks (TV Guide), Co-producers were relieved to hear 9/11 plot pre-dated their show. (io9.com)

PRIOR KNOWLEDGE / PREPARATION
3. 1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon (USA Today), April '01 - NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (Boston Globe)
4. 2000 - CNN has employed active duty military psyops personnel. (WorldNetDaily)
5. Oct '00 - Pentagon conducts emergency training exercises of a mock passenger plane crash into the Pentagon. (Army)
6. June '01 - Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts because of a 'threat assessment'. (CBS)
7. June '01 - Terrorist act exercise involving an explosion is conducted near the Pentagon to test first team's 'external response.' (Military District of Washington)
8. June '01 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 01, an exercise involving a cruise missile attack scenario in which their presentation manual has a photo of Osama bin Laden on the cover and a picture of an explosion in a skyscraper inside. (Global Security); June '02 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 02, an exercise involving a domestic commercial airliner-hijacking scenario planned before 9/11. (Defense Link)
9. July '01 - Twin 400 ft gas tanks near WTC are imploded by Controlled Demolition Inc. who will later do clean-up at Ground Zero. (Queens Gazette, Phillyblast)
10. Aug '01 - Raytheon and US Air Force successfully land pilot-less Boeing 727 using military GPS landing system that enables ground control to take control of hijacked plane. (Der Spiegel, Raytheon)
11. Aug 30 - Dept of Transportation conducts exercise involving high-jacked plane and a cell phone from it among other aspects of the scenario that one participants describes as being 'very strange' when the actual event happened on 9/11. (MTI)
12. Sept '01 - 25,000 British troops ensemble in Oman near Afghanistan for 'Operation Swift Sword' and will help US in attacking OBL. (BBC, Telegraph)
13. Sept 3 - Author Salman Rushdie given US air ban. (Ananova)
14. Sept 4 - An Israeli owned shipping company moves out of the WTC. (Virginian-Pilot, Real Estate Weekly)
15. Sept 5 - US pulls the plug on Muslim websites. (Guardian, BBC)
16. Sept 7 - Jeb Bush puts the Florida National Guard on alert (WorldNetDaily, MyFlorida.com), Sept 10-11 - President Bush is in FL, state that controversially handed him 2000 presidency (Telegraph), 9/11 - Jeb Bush declares state of emergency in FL immediately after 2nd tower fell (WorldNetDaily), At least 15 of the 19 hijackers have Florida ties. (Augusta Chronicle)
17. Sept 8 - Marine Aviation group moves further away from where explosion at the Pentagon will happen. (Leatherneck)
18. Sept 8 - Mock drill at Buffalo Niagara Airport simulated terrorists blowing up an aircraft containing 82 passengers and some of the participants will help at Ground Zero after 9/11. (Univ Buffalo, Highland Hose Volunteer Fire)
19. Sept 10 - FEMA rescuer Tom Kenney says he was deployed to NYC late Monday night before going into action Tuesday morning, the day of the attacks. (CBS video)
20. Sept 10 - Group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for next morning because of 'security concerns'. (Newsweek)
21. Sept 10 - San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives travel warning 8 hours before attacks. (SF Chronicle)
22. Sept 10 - A rookie is asked to temporarily take command of the National Military Command Center inside Pentagon for Sept. 11. (9/11 Commission)
23. 9/11 - Fort Belvoir near the Pentagon was conducting an exercise to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. (Connection Newspapers)
24. 9/11 - An airport emergency operations exercise is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon. (MDW, DC Military)
25. 9/11 - Employees at Israeli instant messaging company Odigo received text message warnings about attacks 2 hours prior. (Haaretz, Washington Post)
26. 9/11 - Donald Rumsfeld predicts terrorist attack in US 2 minutes before 1st WTC plane crash (Fayetteville Observer), later predicts Pentagon crash minutes prior. (Telegraph)
27. 9/11 - White House staff given Cipro, a full month before first cases of anthrax reported. (Washington Post)
28. 9/11 - President Bush's cousin escaped death from the WTC thanks to a 'schedule change' the night before. (Ananova)
29. 9/11 - Fiduciary Trust, located in the south WTC, had scheduled an emergency drill for the day. (NY Times)
30. 9/11 - Larry Silverstein is absent from his office on the North Tower's 88th floor because of a 'doctors appointment' along with his two kids who are 'running late'. (NY Magazine, NY Observer)
31. Sept 12 - FEMA was scheduled to participate in an attack drill in NYC. (9/11 Panel, NYC.gov)
DECOYING / STAND DOWN
32. Sept 9 - NORAD conducts operation 'Northern Vigilance,' planned months in advance, which deploys fighter jets to Alaskan region. (NORAD, Toronto Star)
33. 9/11 - Three F-16 jetfighters from Andrews AFB, 15 miles from Pentagon, are flown 180 miles away for training mission in the morning. (Aviation Week)
34. 9/11 - Andrews AFB, home to DC Air National Guard and Air Force 1 & 2, had no jetfighters on alert. (Newsday, USA Today)
35. 9/11 - A simulated aircraft hijacking was scheduled for the morning by NORAD. (Vanity Fair)
36. 9/11 - US intel agency planned exercise in the morning to simulate plane crash into government building. (Boston Globe, USA Today)
37. 9/11 - NORAD was running war game called 'Vigilant Guardian' in which the commander in charge thought first hijacking was "part of the exercise." (Aviation Week, NY Observer)
38. 9/11 - FAA bans takeoffs at 9:26 am for all civilian, military, or law enforcement aircraft (FAA, Time)
39. 9/11 - A squadron of NORAD fighter planes from Langley AFB were sent east over the Atlantic Ocean and were 150 miles from the Pentagon when it was hit, further from where they took off. (9/11 Panel, Star Tribune)
40. 9/11 - Shoot-down authorization not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 crashed. (9/11 Panel, Seattle Post)
41. Feb '05 - Donald Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers confirm there were at least four war games on 9/11 from Rep. McKinney questioning. (C-SPAN)
WTC
42. Jan '01 - Frank De Martini, deceased Mgr of WTC Construction & Project Mgmt, says in documentary before 9/11 that he believes WTC towers could sustain multiple hits from large jetliners, comparing it to poking a pencil through mosquito netting. (WTC-A Modern Marvel, DVD Talk)
43. July '01 - WTC landlord leased the entire WTC complex 6 six weeks before attacks. (CBS, Washington Times)
44. Twin Towers were hated, poorly designed money-losers subsides by the State and weren't torn down before because of expensive asbestos removal in which 9/11 benefited the owners by efficiently destroying the complex in a way that they didn't have to pay for any of it. (Baltimore Sun, Salon, Front Page)
45. Sept 6 - WTC officials recently took steps to secure towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center (Newsday)
46. Two week heightened security alert at WTC is lifted and bomb-sniffing dogs are abruptly removed days before 9/11. (Newsday)
47. Occupant in WTC says weeks before attacks they had "unusual" amount of evacuations from WTC and says he thinks "they had an inkling something was going on." (People)
48. Sept 10 - The roofs at the WTC are closed. (911DigitalArchive) 9/11 - Exit doors to the WTC's roofs are locked, preventing people to escape on to the roof. (NIST)
49. 9/11 - A Fiduciary Trust CEO from the South WTC is invited to early morning charity event at Offutt AFB hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett and is escorted to TV by military officers and sees 2nd plane crash into her offices. (Forbes, SF Business Times)
50. 9/11 - A missile was reportedly launched from the Woolworth Building near the WTC. (NIST, WNBC, NY Daily)
51. 9/11 - Rudy Giuliani says he was told South WTC was going to collapse. (ABC video) July '05 - Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani was near the London Blasts. (BBC)
52. Company hired to help clean up Ground Zero is control demolition experts, Controlled Demolition Inc. (Waste Age)
53. Preliminary tests show steel quality did not contribute to twin towers' collapse. (Boston Globe, Pittsburg Live)
54. Oct '04 - Fire in 56-story Venezuelan skyscraper spreads over 26 floors and burns for over 17 hours, but does not collapse. (CBS)
55. WTC Ground Zero workers claim they helped FBI find 3 of the 4 black boxes from planes that struck WTC, contradicting official accounts that none were found. (Philadelphia Daily News)
Bombs, flashes, other explosions
56. EMT Jeff Birnbaum near the South Tower says he heard an eerie high-pitched noise and a 'popping sound' then an explosion before the top of the tower leaned toward him and started coming down. (CEE News)
57. Firefighter Louie Cacchioli in elevator going to 24th floor hears a bomb go off and thinks bombs were set in the building. (People)
58. Firefighter Edward Cachia says the South Tower gave at a lower floor then where the plane hit because they thought there was internal explosions going off from hearing successions of 'boom, boom, boom, boom' before the tower came down. (NY Times)
59. Fire Captain Karin Deshore says there was orange and red flashes followed by explosions that were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the WTC 2. (SF Gate)
60. Tom Elliott on 67th floor floor in WTC 2 felt explosion below him as plane hit, firemen going up told him of an explosion near 60th floor. (CS Monitor)
61. Commissioner Stephen Gregory along with a Lieutenant Evangelista from Ladder 146 say they both saw multiple flashes coming from the lower level of the WTC 2 right before it collapsed and mentions the flashes they saw are like what you'd see when they 'blow up a building.' (NY Times)
62. Nadine Keller from her balcony in Soho, NY says she 'heard the bomb' before she saw the buildings collapse. (BBC)
63. EMT Joseph Lovero reports hearing 'additional explosions' to dispatcher. (WNBC)
64. Edmund McNally phoned his wife from 97th floor of WTC 2 following the plane crash, says he heard explosions below him. (NY Times)
65. Mike Pecoraro and co-worker hear a loud explosion in WTC 1 basement and believes a bomb went off after seeing major damage to the basement floors. (Chief Engineer)
66. Janitor William Rodriguez in WTC 1 basement hears explosion below him, then the plane crash above him seconds later, then saw severely burnt man come out of basement elevator. (CNN)
67. Teresa Veliz on the 47th floor of the WTC 1 feels the building shake again more violently then the shaking from the 1st crash and hears explosions going off everywhere inside the building and also hears explosions when she was outside that she was convinced bombs were 'planted all over the place' and that someone was 'sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons.' (September 11: An Oral History)
68. Kim White from 80th floor of WTC 1 hears an explosion near the 74th floor. (People|2)
69. Witnesses reported hearing another explosion just before WTC 1 collapse, police said collapse looked almost like a 'planned implosion' designed to 'catch bystanders watching from the street.' (Guardian)
70. Third explosion reported at WTC 2 and part of the tower collapses afterward. (TCM News, TCM News)
71. Group of firemen discussing the collapse of WTC 2 said how each floor was pooping out as by being 'detonated' as if 'they had planned to take down a building'. (9/11 - The Filmmakers' Edit)
72. A member of the FDNY says when trying to get some people out that there was 'secondary explosions' and then subsequent collapses. (11 News)
73. A FDNY Firefighter says as he was getting his gear on and making his way to the stairway, there was a 'heavy duty explosion'. (CBS)
74. MSNBC Reporter Ann Thompson says at 10:30 when she got outside the building she heard a 'second explosion' and 'another rumble' then ran inside for cover when a fire marshal said they had to leave because if there was a third explosion the building might not last. (MSNBC)
75. NBC's Pat Dawson reports that the chief of safety of the FDNY told him that he received word of another bomb going off and when he tried to get his men out he said that there was another explosion which took place and thinks there were devices that were planted in the building. (NBC)
76. Eyewitness speaking in a studio interview says he was about five blocks away when he heard three explosions and turned around to see the building he just got out of collapse. (Studio interview)
77. An injured witness to one of the towers collapsing said it sounded like 'gunfire' and then all of a sudden he heard 'three big explosions'. (News interview)
78. NBC's Rick Sanchez reports that police have evacuated an area around the WTC because of a 'suspicious device' thought to be a bomb and say they think a van with explosives in it went off inside the WTC and fear that bombs have been planted in, or nearby the buildings. (MSNBC)
79. BBC's Stephen Evans reports there was a big explosion from 'much, much lower' in the WTC from where the plane crashed. (BBC)
WTC 7
80. 9/11 (6:47am) - WTC 7's fire alarm is placed on 8 hr 'test' mode which any alarms received are ignored. (NIST)
81. 9/11 (2pm) - FDNY knew WTC 7 was going to collapse. (Firehouse Magazine)
82. 9/11 (3pm) - Several demolition teams reach Ground Zero and later witness the collapse of the WTC 7. (Implosion World)
83. 9/11 - WTC landlord Larry Silverstein says he gets a call from a fire chief about the WTC 7 and he recommends to him to 'pull it' and after they 'decided to pull,' they all watched the 7 collapse. (PBS video)
84. 9/11 - CNN correspondent Aaron Brown announces that the WTC 7 has either collapsed, or is collapsing approx 1hr before it did. (CNN video)
85. 9/11 - BBC correspondent Jane Standley announces that the WTC 7 collapsed at least 12min before it did. (BBC video)
86. 9/11 - A medical student watching the WTC 7 hears a clap of thunder, sees a shockwave rippling through it and windows bust out, then sees the bottom floor cave out followed by the rest of the building. (1010 WINS video)
87. WTC 7 becomes first steel high-rise building in history to collapse due to mostly fire. (Chicago Tribune, Stanford Report)
88. The collapse of the 47 story WTC 7 skyscraper hardly gets any media attention. (NY Times)
89. WTC 7 debris was removed without investigators having the chance to examine it at the scene to help determine the cause of failure. (History Channel)
90. FEMA report concludes specifics of WTC 7 fires and how they caused it to collapse remain unknown and call for further investigation and also says the facade was 'pulled downward', suggesting an internal failure and 'implosion'. (FEMA)


MORE AT: http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

I'm glad you made the jump! 8)

patpat posted a pretty good site on this, earlier.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/...php?f=6&t=5367

Sorry Mamboni, I had to smite you, that 10 and 0 was just too pretty. :P

Now here's a question for people, does anyone think that the sheep are waking up to 9/11 forget the mossad involvement?

EDIT - LOL, I just applauded you, and it un-smited you, and then someone smited me. You sonsabitches. >:(

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Originally Posted by General of Darkness

Sorry Mamboni, I had to smite you, that 10 and 0 was just too pretty. :P

Now here's a question for people, does anyone think that the sheep are waking up to 9/11 forget the mossad involvement?

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No, I must sadly say no, based on the folks I run into on a daily basis. Everyone I know is clueless, thoroughly immersed in the matrix constructed by our overlords. Many are uneasy, their instincts sensing that things are not right and bad things cometh. But, they are not equipped to mechanistically interpret current events and do not recognize how the very people in power that they have lent trust to are engineering their slow destruction.

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Originally Posted by General of Darkness

Sorry Mamboni, I had to smite you, that 10 and 0 was just too pretty. :P

Now here's a question for people, does anyone think that the sheep are waking up to 9/11 forget the mossad involvement?

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I think it was patpat that said it earlier and I agree btw, that the time has passed to enlighten any who have not questioned the official story. It's time to use other avenues to jostle them out of their slumber...of course that economy thingee is working wonders on its own ;D

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mechanistically

1 : mechanically determined
2 : of or relating to a mechanism or the doctrine of mechanism

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The mods just created a dedicated 9-11 Section in the Conspiracy Theories area. Maybe this should be moved there so people can find it better?

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Originally Posted by Book

The mods just created a dedicated 9-11 Section in the Conspiracy Theories area. Maybe this should be moved there so people can find it better?

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That sounds logical. ;)

Oh, I agree (agora style)

good to see you guys !

i think of the event as having about 5 primary facets.

one was the use of war-games to move military assets far enough away that they wouldn't be able to interfere with Israel's plans.

the war games were managed out of Cheney's office. i think Ruppert does the best job of researching this - despite his subsequent proclamation that we ignore huge pieces of evidence ... like the demolition.

http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubic.../dp/0865715408


2 the subject of foreknowledge.

that i know of, Paul Thompson at Coop. Research did the best job of investigating this. i downloaded his old site before it was taken over by History Commons. now if i could just find the download !? it's next to the silver in the lake. 8)

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_key_warnings


3. the Silverstein Mafia - management of the World Trade Center site. demolition teams need access to buildings. it helps if the insurance company doesn't ask awkward questions. etc.

very well explained in the thread at TIU

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/...efae690#p39041


4. the Silverstein Mafia - make damn sure the planes hit the buildings. management of this task is a big job itself. talk about mission critical. it would be no good if the nervous Muslim airplane hijackers drove the plane into the Empire State Building.

incidentally, at the time of 9-11 i worked for a defense contractor that had the primary contract for the F-22 avionics (airborne electronics), as a design engineer. i brought up the subject of "fly-by-wire" (remote control) in the lunchroom several times.

the answer from the electricals (i'm electro-mechanical) was that "oh yeah all the planes have that, they've had it for 20 years".

anyway, someone had to manage that. i guess it was basically Israel.


5. Israel did the building demolitions.

http://research.wtc7.net/

i think Jim Hoffman at that WTC7.net website does a good job of explaining the demolition from a physicist's point of view.

i've met him; he is scary smart. he used civil engineering textbooks to look up the amount of energy needed to turn 300,000 tons (or whatever, he actually looked it up) of concrete into dust.

it takes a LOT of energy to turn concrete into powder.


another perspective is to look at the amount of energy it takes to raise the temperature of steel to half its melting temperature, as was claimed in one of the official US government proclamations.

it's up to me to prove it, but from a lifetime of metalworking & engineering experience, i know the little "poof" of the 10,000 tons of jet fuel was nothing compared to 100's of thousands of tons of steel. like holding a lighter up to a cast iron frying pan - it doesn't get very hot.

the solution involves looking at the thermal capacity of steel - and the energy content of jet fuel.

also there would be some conduction of heat along the steel structure, down to the ground, which typically runs 55 degrees F, once you get a few feet underground.

what i would like to do with that is do the calc's, and then explain it, so that other people can step through the calculations themselves & don't have to take my word for it.


Task #6. Damage control - controlling the media, shutting down websites like GIM.

Excellent posting GunDriller. I have begun a project to download important websites relevant to 9/11 and Israel before they are disappeared like GIM1 was.

I would encourage anyone here to post any high quality and provocative links vis-a-vis 9/11, Israel and Mossad. In the future I will be posting a running tally of my elibrary.

I am on my Iphone right now so I can't cut and paste. But I remember the thread on GIM, about the connections between Silverstein, Netanyahu, Barak and Maddoff, I think the original article was written by Bollyn...

Anyway as far as I am concerned, most evidence uncovered seems to point to an Israeli led operation, aided by a few high officials in the Bush administration. MSM has effectively taken any attention away from any Israeli involvement.

Happy to see you here Mamboni!

I'm glad to be here Neuro.

There's quite a excellent group of folk here. The future of this forum looks bright.

DR ALAN SABROSKY, FORMER DIRECTOR OF STUDIES AT THE US ARMY WAR COLLEGE “ISRAEL DID IT”

March 19, 2010 by Gordon Duff ·

GORDON DUFF: SABROSKY INTERVIEW TIES ISRAEL TO 9/11
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

Meet Dr. Alan Sabrosky, a brave man, a USMC Vietnam vet, an American of Jewish ancestry and someone devoted to the security of the United States at any cost. Ask any Jew what it takes to stand up against the most powerful and ruthless group in the world, the Israeli lobby inside the United States.

Sabrosky has been calling for a new 9/11 investigation for some time. What makes him unique is that we have a Jew who can hardly be called “self-hating” or “anti-Semitic” or against Israel. He is consistent in everything he says. His point is that you are an American or you are an Israeli but you can’t be both, especially now with Zionism turning Israeli foreign policy into a “runaway train.” 9/11, as Sabrosky sees it was the watershed in a relationship between America and Israel that has gone from bad to unsurviveable, especially for America. He contents that AIPAC exercises near total control over the electoral process in America through the ability to outspend any other group and destroy anyone who stands against them.

The unwillingness of the US to stand with the international community on humanitarian and war crime issues where Israel is found in continual violation is, to Sabrosky, a critial issue. In discussion the US and her lack of support for the Goldstone Report, Sabrosky says:

US criticism of the HRC resolution should be disregarded, as Washington only parrots Israel’s wishes here…
… it might have been better to have included Goldstone’s condemnation of Hamas offenses as well, but it is legitimate as it stands for five reasons: (1) Israel committed the great majority of the violations; (2) Israel had an overwhelming preponderance of military power; (3) Palestinians suffered almost all of the death and destruction; (4) Israel has a long, sordid history of ignoring UN commissions and resolutions, and of attacking UN facilities and killing UN staff, as when the clearly marked UNRWA facility in Gaza was bombed; and (5) the HRC focus is properly on the actions of the oppressor (Israel) and not on those of the oppressed (the Palestinians).

Another is that it did not accord Israel the right of self-defense. But Israel’s claim to self-defense in its savaging of Gaza is specious, because Israel — like all occupiers and oppressors — has no inherent right of self-defense against its victims. Who, for instance, would have accepted Nazi Germany’s assertion that its brutal reprisals against the Czechs for their assassination of a Nazi commander named Reinhard Heydrich was an exercise in self-defense? No one, and no one should accept Israel’s claim, either.

A third is that holding Israel accountable for its actions will somehow endanger the Middle East peace process. But there is no peace process, simply meaningless discussions to the dead end (for Palestinians and the rest of the region) of Israeli hegemony, and under Netanyahu or any electable government in Israel, there is not and cannot be one. There will be an enforced peace imposed from outside of the Middle East, over the objections and obstruction of Israel, or there will be none at all.

ZIONISM AND ISRAELI NATIONALISM
This is how Sabrosky describes the nature of Jewish nationalism as described within the term we call “Zionism”:
The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:
1. Zionism is a real witches’ brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism and militarism that places it way outside of a “mere” nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the Provisional Irish Republican Army or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;
2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not — e.g. a large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called “dual loyalty” (to Israel and the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the Israeli army but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America — even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;
3. The “enemy” of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America’s target list); and
4. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) — it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US — and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn’t care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer and more low-tech fashion.
Sabrosky is one of the few Americans who sees the nuclear threat of Israel as it is, blackmailing the United States, not only in how it could be used to draw America into an unwanted war, but how it could actually be used at some point to attack the United States itself. Only recently, Israel put Western Europe on notice that it would be attacked if its actions threatened Israel, attacked by nuclear weaons from Israel without warning. Martin van Creveld’s threat combined with Sabrosky’s analysis of Israeli intentions and culpability for 9/11 brings to mind something Sabrosky had once written.
He has always seen Moshe Dyan as a hero. Dyan saw Israel’s military role as that of a “junk yard dog,” ready to bite without warning, attack anything and anyone. Sabrosky notes that, eventually such an animal is always put down or as he puts it, ”the preferred response of everyone else is to kill that mad dog before it can decide to go berserk and bite.”

9/11
Sabrosky makes a case, not just for a coverup of 9/11 but goes much further. He points out as do so many that the physics of the attack are unworkable. He, however, is one of the few to point to a conclusion many find obvious but few have the nerve to admit, that it would have been impossible to stage 9/11 without the full resources of both the CIA and Mossad and that 9/11 served the interests of both agencies quite well.
There was nothing they could have wished for more.
Sabrosky also makes a point involving media coverage of 9/11:
Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government’s treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath.

ZIONISM AND TREASON
The inescapable point isnt the 60,000 Americans killed or wounded in a war started out of treason or the world it threatens to destroy. Americans have been looking away from these glaring realities the way they looked away from Vietnam. Sabrosky leaves Israel and her American Jewish supporters who he sees as traitors with a warning:
If these Americans and those like them ever fully understand just how much of their suffering — and the suffering we have inflicted on others — is properly laid on the doorsteps of Israel and its advocates in America, they will sweep aside those in politics, the press and the pulpits alike whose lies and disloyalty brought this about and concealed it from them. They may well leave Israel looking like Carthage after the Romans finished with it. It will be Israel’s own great fault.
Do we take Sabrosky seriously because he is a Marine or a Jew? Do we wonder why the things he says reach so few? Is American in a shooting war where our biggest enemy sits behind us, killing us off, robbing us blind and whispering gently in our ears how much they love us?
It would seem so.


http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2010...march-15-2010/

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http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=238

9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB

SCIENTISTS, ARCHITECTS, & ENGINEERS now affirm that the 9-11 destruction of the World Trade Center buildings was an inside job. The leading scientist of Scholars For 9-11 Truth, Dr Steven Jones, has proven that controlled demolition devices were placed within the WTC Twin Towers - and this is what brought the buildings down not the airplanes.

Jones says that molten metal was found in the sub basements of the buildings. The molten metal, Jones argues, was caused by a high-temperature Thermite reaction, used to demolish steel. Thermal hot spots throughout the sub basement levels were detected by satellite - confirming Jones’ findings.

Jones also says that heated dust with particles of Thermite was discovered in the WTC area. But Silverstein arranged that three NY Jewish steel and scrap companies ship the metal which could have been used as evidence to China & India.

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer of Melbourne Australia, affirms Dr Jones’ findings:

— “The chances of the buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint at freefall speed by any other means than by controlled demolition are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation”

WTC 7
Gallery of Evidence

(see photo #1 below)

Shortly after the core columns under the East Penthouse of WTC 7 collapsed, the rest of the building collapsed mostly into its footprint in about 7 seconds — near free-fall speed.

(see photo #2 below)



Taken from the FEMA report, Fig. 5-26, this photographic evidence begs to question why WTC 7 imploded when WTC 6 and WTC 5 were closer to the Twin Towers and more heavily damaged by falling debris, yet, their structures remain.

(see photo #3 below)


The official FEMA report states: "The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the facade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion...

Demolishing the building so that it collapses straight down into its own footprint requires such skill that only a handful of demolition companies in the world will attempt it."




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Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says: "Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes: "Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out: "WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues: "In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

"In my opinion WTC7 was with the utmost probability brought down by controlled demolition done by experts" -Hugo Bachmann, Professor emeritus for structural analysis and construction at ETH and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. (source)

http://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7.php

Photo #3 from the post prior:

http://rediscover911.com

I was just browsing this site, and was pretty impressed with all the articles I read (there's a "cloud" of article titles at the top of every page). I could pick a nit here and there, wouldn't vouch for every "truther" name they drop, but on balance... great collection of info which properly focuses on the perps. I like the preamble at their "cui bono?" intro page,

The real conspirators of 9/11 took a calculated risk that their crimes would not be uncovered quickly enough to thwart a 'checkmate' worldwide-- on governments, banking, commerce... everything.

more: http://rediscover911.com/rediscover9...nefits%29.html

Israel did 9/11, ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD!!

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...-in-the-world/

“You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…” Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache

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http://rediscover911.com

I was just browsing this site, and was pretty impressed with all the articles I read (there's a "cloud" of article titles at the top of every page). I could pick a nit here and there, wouldn't vouch for every "truther" name they drop, but on balance... great collection of info which properly focuses on the perps. I like the preamble at their "cui bono?" intro page,

The real conspirators of 9/11 took a calculated risk that their crimes would not be uncovered quickly enough to thwart a 'checkmate' worldwide-- on governments, banking, commerce... everything.

more: http://rediscover911.com/rediscover9...nefits%29.html

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As always, another outstanding contribution. Thank you Pat.

Gomel Chesed Cemetary Incident


In October 2000, approximately 11 months before 9/11, a retired Israeli Defense Forces(IDF) officer, and veteran of the Yom Kippur War(1973), was collecting English Ivy Cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at Mccellan and 245 Mount Olive Avenue, which is near the city lines of Elizabeth and Newark, New Jersey. The Gomel Chesed Cemetary is a Jewish cemetary.

The man overheard a couple of people having what he believed to be a conversation spoken in Hebrew, which drew his attention. He hid behind an 8-foot tall retaining wall and listened in to their conversation as they stood below. Shortly after a Lincoln town car approached the two people — presumably Israelis — and the man in the backseat got out to greet them. After normal niceties were exchanged the third man said:

“The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September.”

One of the men that had been leaning against the retaining wall expressed concerns regarding whether the upcoming presidential election (November 2000) could impact the plans. The man that arrived in the Town Car pacified the doubts by saying:

“Don’t worry, we have people in high places and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything.”

The observer who overheard this conversation related it to the FBI on numerous occasions only to be ignored each time. Nothing was done about it, and no investigation into the incident has ever took place.

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...-in-the-world/

9/11 Mural Van

One of the more bizarre events of the day came in the form of a mysterious white van parked a few blocks away from the twin towers on 6th and King Street., that had a mural painted on the side that literally depicted a jetliner crashing into the twin towers and exploding.

This police audio transmission indicates that the two suspects in the van started to run away when the van was stopped and were apprehended shortly thereafter in some sort of struggle. The police recording also indicates that the mural van subsequently exploded following the detainment of the two suspects.

Further corroboration of this incident came in the form of a reference in the February 2006 Norman Y. Mineta International Institute for Surface Transportation Policy Studies (MTI) report entitled: “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks”.The relevant quote is as follows:

“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”

As you can see the cover-up of the incident clearly ensues in this document. Apparently the people who wrote this didn’t find it odd that a delivery truck rented to “ethnic middle easterners” was painted up with a mural depicting the very events of the day! The idiocy of their conclusion that this van was an “innocent delivery truck” is beyond words. Also notice no mention of it exploding as the police transmission confirms. The “ethnic middle easterners” referenced in this quote were certainly not Arabic individuals as there is not a single mention of this incident in the 9/11 commission report. If they were Arabs there would be no reason to cover this up. The fact that this incident was covered up is a strong indication that these “ethnic middle easterners” were in fact Israelis.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/1...-in-the-world/

9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad.

Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8ojEWlkrs
Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed.

Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center.

The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999.

Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late.

Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/how-911-was-done/

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The mods just created a dedicated 9-11 Section in the Conspiracy Theories area. Maybe this should be moved there so people can find it better?

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please........give this topic the exposure it so deserves!.

Here's an interview with Eric Hufschmid & Mike Delaney of prothink.org, recorded 11/09. Both these guys are down on DA JOOZ, more so than the Zionists... so that's always a red flag for me, but it's still an interesting interview:

1 hr 5 mins, 26 MBs
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-16999/TS-292129.mp3

More Hufschmid audios @ http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/TFC-interviews.html

Hufschmid's book, Painful Questions; An Analysis of the September 11 Attack was one of the first 911 Truth books on the scene, published Sept. 2002.

Download it free online HERE.

PatColo, I respect your opinion. You don't believe in Sayanim?

It is sad that this subject that needs widespread exposure is relegated to a sub forum in a rarely visited part of the forum!

Ah, he gave it its own nest. If we want it changed I'm sure they will, but probably not snappy quick at 2 in the morning. Give it some time.

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PatColo, I respect your opinion. You don't believe in Sayanim?

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I've see overviews of the sayanim tradition, never heard any dispute that this "cultural tradition" exists, but I expect Jews are all over the map as to their individual willingness to abide by it, and if they will, then what level of traditional immorality/criminality they'll stoop to in the name of a sayanim. They're individuals, not programed robojooz. Some are moral people who drank the "we're persecuted victims " kool-aid, others see through that nonsense and want no part of the whole zio-mafia subculture, others are born sociopaths who are happy to stoop to any level in assisting a sayanim in the zionist crime syndicate, & their "reliability" becomes known within the syndicate accordingly, their "sayanim services" more likely to be called upon, they're presumably "rewarded" with some form of quid pro quo, yada yada.

So sayanims are a factor in the "success" of the Global Usury Empire crime syndicate, no doubt, but "Jews" aren't all cut from the same cloth; and referring to them as though they are (like Delaney/prothink tend to do) is a good way to instantly discredit your message. Jews as a group appear to me to be among the more successfully/tragically brainwashed populations around.

You seen "Defamation" ?? << I'm not finding the full movie on the web anymore. Anyone?

Yes, I think so. That's the one full of hate filled indoctrination and lies they are taught right?

*here it is broken up into 10 minute bits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qR1h...rom=PL&index=0

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Yes, I think so. That's the one full of hate filled indoctrination and lies they are taught right?

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Right. Good find. Good description too: Jewish youth indoctrinated with HATE-FILT-HATREDhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-see...-kosher-48.gif

Good video though, y'all should check it out. :)

Chris Bollyn's self-published book is free to read online,

Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World - Online Book

also see his recently updated article,

How Ehud Barak Pulled Off 9-11

[Updated - May 3, 2010]

Interesting video included in the latter article,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zj1fnGtjk

Within minutes of the airplane crashes on 9-11, Ehud Barak (the founder and
master of the Israeli military's covert operation force, the Sayeret Matkal) was in
the London studio of the BBC World ready to provide a plausible (and political)
explanation to the world. Barak, the real mastermind of 9-11, was the first person
to call for a "War on Terror" - and U.S. intervention in Afghanistan and the Middle
East. This is how false-flag terrorism works. The perpetrator is the first one to
assign blame by pointing his finger at his enemy in order to shape public opinion,
which is the real purpose of such atrocities.

I wonder where halo aka juristic person is??? Where is he when he doesnt have carl to ban you when you own him in yet ANOTHER 911 debate Pat??

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http://rediscover911.com

I was just browsing this site, and was pretty impressed with all the articles I read (there's a "cloud" of article titles at the top of every page). I could pick a nit here and there, wouldn't vouch for every "truther" name they drop, but on balance... great collection of info which properly focuses on the perps. I like the preamble at their "cui bono?" intro page,

The real conspirators of 9/11 took a calculated risk that their crimes would not be uncovered quickly enough to thwart a 'checkmate' worldwide-- on governments, banking, commerce... everything.

more: http://rediscover911.com/rediscover9...nefits%29.html

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http://rediscover911.com has had a nice website overhaul, check it out. The cui bono link above is now dead, article is now at
http://rediscover911.com/cui-bono-who-benefits/

I see that have fake truther Jim Fetzer in their "development group", too bad, maybe they just don't know?

It looks like http://rediscover911.com is organizing this rally outside the Israeli consulate in Los Angeles tomorrow, (Bollyn): May 18: Important 9-11 Truth Demonstration at Israeli Consulate in L.A.

The Ugly Truth Podcast June 9, 2010

He’s back!

Dr. Alan Sabrosky joins the show along with USS LIBERTY survivor Phil Tourney to discuss the Israeli massacre of the Gaza Flotilla and its ramifications.

http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2010...t-june-9-2010/

Just started listening now, no comment yet.

Former podcasts at http://theuglytruth.podbean.com

Re: The Ugly Truth Podcast June 9, 2010


Good discussion. Thanks for posting!

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PatColo, I respect your opinion. You don't believe in Sayanim?

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I've see overviews of the sayanim tradition, never heard any dispute that this "cultural tradition" exists, but I expect Jews are all over the map as to their individual willingness to abide by it, and if they will, then what level of traditional immorality/criminality they'll stoop to in the name of a sayanim. They're individuals, not programed robojooz. Some are moral people who drank the "we're persecuted victims " kool-aid, others see through that nonsense and want no part of the whole zio-mafia subculture, others are born sociopaths who are happy to stoop to any level in assisting a sayanim in the zionist crime syndicate, & their "reliability" becomes known within the syndicate accordingly, their "sayanim services" more likely to be called upon, they're presumably "rewarded" with some form of quid pro quo, yada yada.

So sayanims are a factor in the "success" of the Global Usury Empire crime syndicate, no doubt, but "Jews" aren't all cut from the same cloth; and referring to them as though they are (like Delaney/prothink tend to do) is a good way to instantly discredit your message. Jews as a group appear to me to be among the more successfully/tragically brainwashed populations around.

You seen "Defamation" ?? << I'm not finding the full movie on the web anymore. Anyone?

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They may be cut from different cloth.............. But what matters is, they are ALL cut from a different cloth than the WHITE population.