Jenny Crwys Williams interviews Barrie Trower, retired British military intelligence scientist in microwave and stealth warfare.
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Jenny Crwys-Williams:Now we're speaking to Barrie Trower, and it is Trower isn't it?
Barrie Trower: Yes ma'am.
JCW: And Barrie you are a retired British military intelligence scientist, and for years and years and years you worked in microwave and stealth warfare. What does that actually mean?
BT: During the 1950s...and may I say good afternoon ma'am...
JCW: ~Laughs~ Good afternoon.
BT: During the 1950s and 1960s during the Cold War, it was realised both by accident that microwaves could be used as stealth weapons against the Russians beamed the American embassy during the Cold War and it gave everybody working in the embassy cancer, breast cancers, leukemias whatever, and it was realised then that low level microwaves were the perfect stealth weapon to be used on dissident groups around the world, because you could make dissident groups sick, give them cancer, change their mental outlook on life without them even knowing they were being radiated, and one of my particular tasks...I spent eleven years questioning captured spies...one of my particular tasks was to learn the particular frequencies of microwaves that they used on which particular victims, if I may use that word, and what the outcome was, and I built up a dossier...I'm probably the only person in the world with the complete list...I built up a dossier of what pulse frequencies of microwaves will cause what psychological or physiological damage to a person.
JCW: That's not covered under the official secrets act or anything like that, is it?
BT: To be honest ma'am, I don't care about the official secrets act when I see what is going on in the world through...really ignorance...what I call ignorance. I think the official secrets act goes by the [ball?].
They can do with me what they like, but I feel that it is my task to answer questions from governments, royalty, schools, anybody around the world, I tell them exactly what I know, exactly what I've done so that governments and organisations and people can actually make safe levels.
JCW: Okay, so you did this work for eleven years, but you've also been involved, obviously, in stealth warfare microwave, and your particular expertise was on the impact of this radiation on health and brain functioning.
BT: Absolutely.
JCW: And you debriefed microwaved spies and dissidents and things as you explained to us. So what are you doing here in South Africa?
BT: I was asked to come...
JCW: ...stranded in South Africa...
BT: ...stranded in South Africa, well, not stranded until tomorrow, uhm, there's a very young lady who was sitting outside...organised a series of lectures and talks for...there's a little boy not far away with a tumour...near a transmitter and I was asked to go see the little boy and discuss what I knew...uhm...his majesty in Botswana asked me to give a conference, or present a conference to his ministers on, not only the health issues, but the environmental impact to the animals.
Uhm...I'm doing a public talk this evening for anybody to turn up...so, it's really the young lady taking me around. I have a series of interviews, lectures, newspaper articles...anyone that really wants to know will just come and ask whatever questions they like to ask. So I'm here as a guest in what I think is the most beautiful country in the world without a shadow of a doubt, and I'm being taken around and asked questions which I'm answering.
JCW: Alright, so just remember the lines are open, 883 0702 and if someone is erecting say a...we're talking cell phone masts, aren't we?
BT: Cell phone...ordinary cell phone masts...and wi fi.
JCW: Okay, and wi fi in your office...and...
BT: Yup, and walkabout telephones...anything which emits microwaves.
JCW: Okay, so if you've got any questions, give us a call on 883 0702 and we've got an expert here and he has got information that very few people, I dare say, are privy to. So what is electromagnetic radiation? Just explain...it's the same thing as microwaves? Is that correct?
BT: The electromagnetic spectrum is a band that goes from gamma rays and x-rays at one end, the very high energy waves, and it comes down through visible light, which is also some radiation, and then it goes through infrared microwaves, tv and radio. Now the only ones which really affect us in the communications industry are the microwaves, and microwaves have a special ability to interfere with water, which is how microwave ovens work, and we are made of water.
All of our chemical and electrical signals involve water in the body, somehow, electrical communications in the body. So, the industry has picked the worst possible part of the electromagnetic spectrum to give to young children and to adults.
JCW: And here we are talking about cell phones for instance...that's what you're talking about.
BT: Cell phones yes, yes ma'am.
JCW: So, if France for instance is saying that children should not be given mobile phones under the age of fourteen, for instance...uhm...the European parliament voted by a large majority to recommend tighter safety standards, and this included wi fi and whatever, but also protecting vulnerable groups like children...pregnant moms as well?
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