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He is polling pretty damn good that's for sure, I don't put much faith in polls but I would think if anything they discount his numbers. I got a call probably a year ago about this years GOP race, all automated and RP wasn't even a choice.
I didn't realistically think RP would win in 08 but I did hope he would do much better, this time I'm once bitten twice shy I guess.
What are your thoughts?
I seriously doubt he'll get the republican nomination
his biggest competitor is not in any of the polls, the electronic voting macines...diebold / premier election solutions
I think you've got to look back over the last two presidents and try to figure out what's going on. We can see that when Bush and Cheney took power there was a power shift in the country. They did 911 immediately after he got in office, and the goal was to destroy the ME. There were several strong pushes from them to invade Iran, but they weren't able to do so. Then we had Obama, Hillary, and McCain. You would have thought that the latter two would have become president and finished Iran, which was definitely the goal imo. But Obama got in instead, and he has been more or less inept, and hasn't been pushing forward the agenda other than passively. So I view that as a diminishment of "the plan".
So in my view it really depends on how you read into the last election cycle. If things aren't going to plan, perhaps they will continue that way. Maybe Bush's presidency was the big push by the hardline element and it failed. Now the slower (and perhaps more diabolical) element has 1 year to do what they need to do. I have a feeling that if Ron Paul doesn't win, he will at least force their hand. Remember, Soros is behind the OWS movement, so I think they've got some type of 12 month plan which may have some surpises.
I have made this statement before, my mom is sheep, oh a partial sheep, but right in there with , oh we need to vote all the congress and senate out, and I have talked to her about Ron Paul, no she says, he is to old to be president.
Iran is not a matter of rushing in and finishing the plan. Iran is the exact opposite of finishing any plan. Iran is huge, terrain is brutal, and then Russia, and China have a lot to say about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vacuum
Obama has allowed the plan to advance into how many more new territories? He reversed nothing, and now there's the insane bailouts, and indefinite detention as a Christmas present.
Bush was Obama lite.
The situation is further along now more than ever.
I'm not saying Obama hasn't done, say, 5x more damage than Bush. The thing is that Bush was an impulse which set the plan into motion. The plan has an exponential curve. So if Bush was in for 12 years instead of 8, I'd argue we'd be worse off now. Of course it's conjecture which I can't prove, but that's my line of thinking.
The thing is that there are independent timetables that "the plan" is constrained by. They have to hit milestones at an ever increasing rate to stay ahead of the natural technological and social forces. So their installed candidate must move the plan forward at a constantly increasing rate or it will fail. Obama has followed what Bush started, but what I'm saying is that his acceleration of it isn't grade A.
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So going back to the OP, of whether Ron Paul has a chance or not, what I'm saying is that I am seeing stress cracks. Whereas previously it was like being run over by a tank, there are fractures emerging. Ron Paul can only cause those cracks to grow and could be directly involved in a rupture. So imo its very worthwhile to support him.
Yep. Dems and Repubs. They're like two guys runnin' a relay race, handing off the baton to each other. Lap after lap after lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by joboo
....and calling it a race.
haha i like that analogyQuote:
Originally Posted by Joe King
The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks this.
That they are clearing a way for RP, first it was Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, then Gingrich who just had an absolute metoric rise (due 100% to the media of course) and then fell like dominoes for reasons that TPTB could easily have made go away. My thought process is this, we are in for a world of hurt and I think we can all agree on that, the day of reckoning is coming, maybe we can emerge from it maybe it sends us into SHTF but regardless a storm is coming so when the house of cards collapses who do they want in the drivers seat? Who do they want as the scape goat? Someone who is a carbon copy of every president in the last century or a strict constructionist free market sound money anti Fed person? I'd be very surprised if we didn't have a shock at least as big as 08 during the next 4 years and if Ron Paul was at the helm the media would just lambast him on a continual basis, sure many of their plans would be put on hold for invading this country and that, but after his first term they could have cemented in the minds of the masses that central planning is good and free markets cause catastrophic failure. It would be taught in history books for the next 100 years as a "see we tried the free markets and things came unglued"
You have to understand people who seek world domination have decade long plans, if they have to put a few things on hold for 4 years and then their life will be easier the next 40 it will be worth it. The last thing they want is RP to be remembered fondly and his following to continue to grow. An idea whose time has come is impossible to stop and they know it, so they must kill the idea of freedom.
I'm not saying I totally believe that scenario but I think it is plausible and may be a contingency for them.
Any thoughts on that?
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreaGail
Whenever anyone else wants to run too, they start playin' "hide the baton", instead.
That's what I said awhile back, that he could easily come to be portrayed as the "new" Herbert Hoover and actually end up being the PTB "transition guy" in order to get the people to give up the old Constitution for something more modern.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyStrike
The people must be shown that while it was a good idea in principle, it is no longer workable.
ie brought to their knees.
A while back about 6mos ago or so, I would've said yea, he has a chance, but seeing these new moves by Bachman &cain and the others being backed by the big political machines, I'm going to say no. Even if he gets a good voter turn out what keeps them from falsifying correct numbers? Really, think about it.
imo, the only thing that overcomes the cooked numbers via the crooked voting machines is obviously huge popular support (aka 'critical mass') which so far has been contained quite well.Quote:
what keeps them from falsifying correct numbers? Really, think about it.
Latest RP ad on Newt...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdqGKA782A
Yeah, I think there's a shot that it can be done, now that's not to say there aren't multiple barriers and mine fields that lie in wait or as LS said above it's one of TPTB's contingencies. I also believe massive Ron Paul voter turnout negates the ability of Diebold to rig the election, though maybe I underestimate that? Something I found quite heartening this weekend..was Ron Pauls appearance on the Leno show, look at that reaction by the crowd! think of how many millions of people saw and heard his message and and the crowds applause, some for probably the 1st time! To top it off, that was in Cali and/or there was a mixed audience from around the country. ( I'm hoping the RP camp didn't bus in them in). But the Leno show bodes well and could pay off huge.
Wow, I never even thought about that. Reminds me of how, when Andrew Jackson started removing deposits from the Bank of the United States, the bankers and the Congress made a big deal out of it, whipping up public anger towards him for "destabilizing" the economy. Congress officially censured him and it was only because the media wasn't so centrally controlled that the truth actually spread and when the people learned the truth about the bank and the fiat money they issued, they backed the president in the dismantling of the Bank. The masses are so largely brainwashed today that I can't see that happening again, although I'd like to be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyStrike
The Republican's current strategy seems to be cycling through the worst of candidates to enable another Obama win.
If Independents rose up and demanded Paul as a candidate, they could possibly flatten both parties.
Strategy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Horn
They have no frigging strategy, other than being complete Idiots, if you want to call that a strategy!
no. the media want romney or newt. it's better tv than a guy who just reads some old document.
IMO, the only reason that RP exists is because they (TPTB) allow it. I believe LS is right on this one. The fall guy. In the interim, he's hope for the masses, something they can dream will change this mess thats been created when in reality it is already over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnqgR...eature=related
It's a very real possibility. TPTB have tons of ammo to destroy Newt in the the presidential election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horn
A VOTE FOR NEWT IS LIKE A VOTE FOR OBAMA!
In another place and time in this country's history RP, would win, hands down. But today with the way the gov system is rigged and the non elected gov office holders, that in some ways hold true power, and the toxic mood of the hard right, by purging anyone that was not "right" enough, that there are no moderates in their party too speak of. All Paul will probably accomplish with his supporters, is to help fragment the rights over all vote and strength.
And the end result will be a walk in the park for BO (sniff, sniff =Phew)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hKOdTFZsTY...1600/sbcih.jpg
The only reason he gets in is if they crash the system. I do like Lucky's reasoning. I think they want it violent though.
Obama did personally kill Osama Bin Ladin and his terrorist buddies, and end the Bush war in Iraq ya know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogman
History being made right in front of our eyes! Attachment 1871Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_
"Do You Think Ron Paul Has A Chance?"
It does not matter. If anyone else (of the major candidates) wins we are screwed. So go for broke with Ron Paul.
Best point made yet, no mater win or lose RP is our man and this is a fight to the finish. Who knows ? I support him, becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnQPublic
he is the only voice of reason, and I do vote, and would rather have my candidate lose, than give my vote to a lesser evil.
What happens when this is over if Ron loses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogman
What do we do next...wait four years for Rand Paul to follow in dad's footprints?
Good Question! If he loses and BO wins expect More "nothing" happening in Washington, If by chance BO does lose to someone not RP. Does anyone have crystal ball? Because mine is broken, and speaking of broken the whole national gov is broken now. It may be beyond fixing as it stands now.Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_
What I find interesting and will be watching closely is the house and senate reelections, my feeling is people of all stripes are tired of the shit flowing down hill from Washington and during the next elections cycles , heads should and will roll.
Will it make a difference ? Who in the hell knows,
I personally think, things are too far gone, and beyond repair.
The only fix, is to shoot all of the lobbyists! (Edited)
So doom goes to the next level?
Sounds like a "DOOOM in the _______ 2012" party will be in order?
If I could travel, you could count me in! Maybe in a few more years.Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_
And Doom may become real! (Edit)
Well at least he's not considered the craziest one running anymore.
Holy WTF moment going on here.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enha...3978829-41.jpg
If he gets elected, he will be assassinated before he takes office. He'll never make it.
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Originally Posted by joboo
Aeeeeee those eyes those eyes Zombi Zionist sucking eyes!
Those are some crazy bitching eyes!
Apparently they x-rayed her head, and found this (click to enlarge):Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogman
Attachment 1873
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Originally Posted by joboo
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachme...3&d=1324246134
Sort of reminds me of one of our members ranting dreamed up shit here
now. Attachment 1874
Is that large round thing a bat turd?
Thats exactly what we need.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnight rambler
and may be getting there.
If the Dr. has enough support they can't pull a diebold scam
Can they?
I really think folks might be starting to wake a little
eta; Maybe if he gets the Alaskan to be his vice they won't assassinate him? lol
I think so too, I read some of the tweets that were logged during the Leno show and there were a LOT of folks who had never heard of him, didn't know anything except he can't win or were more than happy to hear him clarify some things. I know tweets ain't the best measure but it is something tangible for those who have lost hope or who are still sleeping and Ron Paul is a sleeping giant, along with the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by StackerKen