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MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Mamboni and other perspicacious GS-US'ers,
The last link below is a difficult read, but please find a quiet uninterrupted 25 minutes and read for comprehension.
It TRULY is different this time. And from this point forward.
NEVER in the history of debt instruments has one Central Bank put primarily another central bank (Bundesbank) and all other CBs SIMULTANEOUSLY into the cross hairs of a chessboard checkmate via Sovereign Subordination.
But it has been done this morning; trumpeted ala Bill Gross--posted courtesy of Tyler Durden.
Superlatives fail. ALL that is left is "sound and fury...." that and transitory precious metals holdings as the system faces reset.
All Sinclair could do this morning was re-iterate "please listen to the audio re: 5 US banks now being in default" posted on 1.30.2012 w/Ellis Martin. He's in bed with these guys, and is German by bloodline. No wonder he was furiously pacing and pontificating these last 72 hours.
Recognizing JES was furiously writing and warning of something major for the last 72 hours, we NOW have the why and the WHAT!
This isn't broken, it is shattered, trifurcated, and ALL SOVEREIGN game over.
Considering Jim Simon wrote this erudite piece PRIOR to this weekend is in itself, simply amazing.
Pimco's Gross ceremonially blows Shofar (שופר)
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"Bill Gross Gets It"
Submitted by Tyler Durden on
02/19/2012
10:33AM EST -0500
The bond king [Bill Gross-USA] just tweeted:
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Gross: #ECB subordinates all #Greek debt holders
& in so doing subordinates all holders of [all] Euroland sovereign debt. {{red emphasis=mine}}
He gets it. For those who don't, [link below] is an explanation.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/subord...-default-world
beefsteak
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
You'd think Spain or some other would wise up & make the jump off firstly.
Been noticing protective measures being put in place all week.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Sorry, Horn, but you failed Reading for Comprehension part. Not too late to go back and slug through it.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
International law is what it is, non-applicable unless approached.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
I got through half that tome at ZH before my head started to throb. So, it looks at though the ECB will wind up buying and monetizing the Greek sovereign debt, over-riding any blocking bondholders or CACs, yes? So basically, all other European sovereign debt contracts are virtually deballed, worthless, yes?
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
damn! wall of text!...my...only weakness............must....back click....
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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mamboni
I got through half that tome at ZH before my head started to throb. So, it looks at though the ECB will wind up buying and monetizing the Greek sovereign debt, over-riding any blocking bondholders or CACs, yes? So basically, all other European sovereign debt contracts are virtually deballed, worthless, yes?
Yow, that is a doozy. But I think you have the gist of it.
I don't really understand the workings of the world bond market, but I have come to appreciate that with regard to the world's fiat financial structure, it's the most important thing. The bond market is the massive cornerstone of world credit, and it requires that the appropriate relationship between risk and reward (interest payments) remains reliable. It's gotten so inter-woven with hedge funds and credit default swaps that it's become a house of cards. I'm no expert, but my sense is that you don't want the foundation of the world's financial structure to be comprised of a house of cards. As an outsider, it's hard to gauge just how precarious it is. I'm willing to respect the warnings of those who seem to understand how it works.
The world's financial situation is such that we have either a long slow grind ahead of us, or some kind of major dislocation or collapse. The bond market seems to be at the heart of the collapse scenario. What's freaky is that a Eurobond crisis would only further inflate the price of already overpriced US Treasuries (and the US dollar) to even great heights. That's why I think an AmeriCollapse is at least a couple of years away. The EuroCollapse has to happen first.
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Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
The jist of it is this, people. The Can Kicking is OVER. The ECB won.
Here are the distilled facts:
FACT 1)
The END GAME of sovereign debt is to accumulate key "blocks" of DISTRESSED SOVEREIGN DEBTS ISSUANCE, to put oneself into a superior litigious position when the "credit event" materializes, i.e., the 70% write-down agreed to by Greece govt.
FACT 2)
ROR for the Hedgie bond holders is not made on the piddling coupon interest. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
FACT 3)
ROR is not even made on the anteing up for the higher paying coupons demanded by the distressed debt market gamblers, which acc'd to Tyler can easily and quite normally run into the 50% per annum ROR....just based upon as to whether or not the Debt Issuer is listing port or starboard at any given moment, going toward default...
The ISDA doesn't ever utter that word...The CDS would kick in if they did.
FACT 4)
No, the money is to be made in the litigation on all BELOW THE TOP DOG BOND HOLDER, i.e., AGAINST the sub-ordinates holding sovereign debt, and holding physical collateral.
FACT 5)
In this case, the subordinates ARE the entire planet's Central Banks...ALL OF THEM. The Pimcos, Symons, Soros' are the Gambling Hedgies picking up the crumbs from the Central Bank's balance sheet castoffs are behind their respective CBs in this game now.
This headlock/ litigation is based upon who can climb on top of the debt dung heap and who also have the superior litigators. The returns acc'd to the chart in that article are between 50% and 2222%...just for the blocking chunk holder, calling the shots on the subordinated collateral holders.
FACT 6)
The reason this is a stunner, is that for the first time EVER in the history of national debt issuance, a CENTRAL BANK HAS CHECKMATED, SIMULTANEOUSLY ALL OTHER CENTRAL BANKS, in one fell swoop.
Just as there were "rules" that said "MF Global's customer money is segregated" turned out to not be true, turns out those MFG customers were subordinated by Bushy Jr's re-work of the Fed. Bankruptcy Laws here stateside --and all other brokerage customer funds elsewhere aren't segregated either....
..........there are international rules that say in a bond haircut/write down/liquidation event, all bond holders ARE in the same "class" and have to be treated fairly. In otherwords, all Central Banks and all Hedgies have to be treated alike under the basic Fairness assumption that has ruled the bond markets since before the firmaments were divided and the lesser light ruled the night while the greater light ruled the day.
FAIRNESS DOCTRINE NO LONGER EXISTS!
Up to this point, the top dog has been the clever Hedgies, the Soros', Symons', Gross's and other Hedgies putting the screws to Central Banks who are the ultimate guarantor of sovereign debt issuers.
CBs, their ability to print money, their ability to exercise sovereign imminent domain collaterialization demands, etc., these CBs ARE the COLLATERAL THEMSELVES. They are now Subordinated to another, quicker, more clever, more swift CENTRAL BANK...the ECB no less.
And for the First Time ever, A CB has risen above the Hedgies in this game of supremacy SUPERIORITY AND SUBORDINATION.
The ECB has a applied a HEAD LOCK to other what were formerly considered "equals" but are now SUBROGATED/SUBORDINATED Central Banks caught in this web of "helping out poor little old Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, Spain...."
The ECB hasn't gone after some string of archepelagos off Greece, nor the Parthenon itself. The ECB has put a headlock directly upon GERMANY's CENTRAL BANK. Deutscheland's been distracted trying to accumulate a "blocking chunk" but didn't get it done first. The ECB did.
FACT 7)
GERMANY's CB HAS JUST HAD A GLOBAL MARGIN CALL.
DITTO FRANCE'S.
DITTO the NY FED RESERVE and every other CB on the planet.
Each has just received THEIR Global Margin Call from the superior ECB.
FACT 8 ) the Trickle Down effect
The big 5 Banks here stateside, just received THEIR Global Margin Call.
Being subordinated to the ECB in the possession of enormous chunks of NON-CAC debentures of GREECE debt which are performance guaranteed by OTHER Central Banks is a global margin call on their physical collateral, commodity positions, swaps, and anything else the ECB might want to amuse themselves by asking for.
The historical 2222% return is going to look downright niggardly in retrospect, as these Greecian Sovereign Debts owned by all the non- CAC bondholders has to now forfeit---from inferior litigation position--- to the ECB who is now in Senior Position.
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Ask yourself this question: what DOES the NY Federal Reserve actually own? And where are they going to come up with the "money" to meet their margin call?
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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to put oneself into a superior litigious position
Yes, we've seen the less than spectacular results in our own Constitutional bodies, on a daily basis...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPhPbTbjYM0
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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Up to this point, the top dog has been the clever Hedgies, the Soros', Symons', Gross's and other Hedgies putting the screws to Central Banks who are the ultimate guarantor of sovereign debt issuers.
http://files.coloribus.com/files/ads...mall-29572.jpg
::) THE ONLY REAL VICTIMS WORLDWIDE
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Perhaps this is the reason there are so many banking chiefs resigning.
http://valuebin.wordpress.com/2012/0...he-white-flag/
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Monty !
You make an excellent point. I noticed that very litany myself just this last week, and said, hmmmm, as I kept reading one after another after another from the likes of Bloomberg, Reuters, Wash Post, BusinessWeek, etc. Me thinks the trend just might well accelerate.
Only question in my mind is this: Is there an endless queue of low-lifers to replace the revolving door ousted?
Peace, brother.
beefsteak
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
The question comes to my mind 1) if these central banks don't ante up or can't ante up because they don't have any real assets how will this be enforced and who will be the enforcer?
2) How is the likely to play out?
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Monty, it always comes down to who has the most stuff, aka land and commodities. In the old days it was wives, sheep, goats, cattle. Nowadays it is........?
That's why ability to print money is so damnable. ECB has now created an ECB Boardroom Dart Board. Each dart is now inscribed with the name of the pet project, or coveted commodity atop ECB's short list.
The names of ALL other central banks controlling sovereign money printing who are geographically ensconched in various commodity rich regions are the LABELED rings and numbered sectors on the ECB dartboard target.
The obvious selected darts are:
energy supplies,
fissile materials,
precious metals,
foodstuffs,
potable water,
weather control.
Ever wondered about how/what "Sovereign Governmental Preppers" do?
Answer: underground caverns/heirloom seed repositories/oil reserves/gas reserves/now Russian controlled access to 15 mile below Antartica's surface in the form of ancient, Fresh Water supply.
I submit all has already been created against the day when the sacred cows of civilization have been all slaughtered, and the end game of sovereign commodity consumption has engaged.
Sacred Cows currently on the slaughterhouse floors
US Constitution? GUTTED!
Segregated Customer Funds? Butchered Myth
Real Money? eColi Bacterially infested Counterfeited Fiat
Fairness in defaulted debtor CAC bond issuances? Assassin Bullet riddled.
ALL else but successful commodities acquisition to sustain earth plane life is MacBethean "sound and fury."
Death is how it will play out, Monty. That is the grand design of the dark agendae/PTB.
Unfortunately, tortuous hours in monkey suits at a plethora of operas in my lifetime has shown, the fat lady sings many more arias and appears in many more operatic acts before finally succumbing to "consumption"... pardon the pun.
beefsteak
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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Originally Posted by
beefsteak
Is there an endless queue of low-lifers to replace the revolving door ousted?
Peace, brother.
beefsteak
A better question is, How will the "low-lifers" maintain sovereign debt without any sovereignty.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Maybe those people did not leave voluntarily.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
it's going to take me a few weeks or months to understand this, with the help of this thread, ZeroHedge, and some King World & Financial Sense webcasts.
but i have a feeling that the "if you don't hold it, you don't own it" maxim just got "kicked up a notch".
also, that it is wise to prepare for a bank holiday - which means having enough cash to pay the mortgage - not relying on a checking account.
if i have the funds in my checking account, but can't get to them - i have a hunch that whoever my mortgage was sold to could care less - they will just {evil laugh} NOW YOUR HOUSE BELONGS TO US !
the baseball in this game of hardball keeps getting harder & harder.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
It's not just mortgage payments, gunny, the game has another level of confiscation. Remember Pastor LW exhorting to have a couple years property taxes set by for those amongst GS-US'ers who have paid for real estate for what is coming.
The only other option is to remove paid for real estate from the tax rolls.
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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Originally Posted by
beefsteak
Monty, it always comes down to who has the most stuff, aka land and commodities. In the old days it was wives, sheep, goats, cattle. Nowadays it is........?
That's why ability to print money is so damnable. ECB has now created an ECB Boardroom Dart Board. Each dart is now inscribed with the name of the pet project, or coveted commodity atop ECB's short list.
The names of ALL other central banks controlling sovereign money printing who are geographically ensconched in various commodity rich regions are the LABELED rings and numbered sectors on the ECB dartboard target.
The obvious selected darts are:
energy supplies,
fissile materials,
precious metals,
foodstuffs,
potable water,
weather control.
Ever wondered about how/what "Sovereign Governmental Preppers" do?
Answer: underground caverns/heirloom seed repositories/oil reserves/gas reserves/now Russian controlled access to 15 mile below Antartica's surface in the form of ancient, Fresh Water supply.
I submit all has already been created against the day when the sacred cows of civilization have been all slaughtered, and the end game of sovereign commodity consumption has engaged.
Sacred Cows currently on the slaughterhouse floors
US Constitution? GUTTED!
Segregated Customer Funds? Butchered Myth
Real Money? eColi Bacterially infested Counterfeited Fiat
Fairness in defaulted debtor CAC bond issuances? Assassin Bullet riddled.
ALL else but successful commodities acquisition to sustain earth plane life is MacBethean "sound and fury."
Death is how it will play out, Monty. That is the grand design of the dark agendae/PTB.
Unfortunately, tortuous hours in monkey suits at a plethora of operas in my lifetime has shown, the fat lady sings many more arias and appears in many more operatic acts before finally succumbing to "consumption"... pardon the pun.
beefsteak
PRECIOUS METALS Operatic (consumption) Act IV's curtain has just been lifted....
Thank you, Tyler Durden/ZERO Hedge
beefsteak
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
This is chilling in light of what just happened on Sunday with ECB subordinating all other CBs in an unanticipated, bloodless coup.
Following is proof to me that "it truly is not a matter of if but WHEN" for the USA me thinks based upon this graphic.
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23-Feb (The Weekly Standard) — The office of Senator Jeff Sessions, ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee, sends along this chart, showing that
‘America’s Per Capita Government Debt Worse Than Greece,’ as well as Ireland, Italy, France, Portugal, and Spain:
beefsteak
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
More caution with statistics...
Based on the per capita debt and annual per capital income, here's how long it would take to repay all of the debt if all income were used to retire debt:
Greece 6.6 years
Italy 6.4 years
Ireland 5.2 years
Portugal 4.4 years
France 4.3 years
United States 3.7 years
Spain 2.8 years
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Nice find, Sparky
the kicker of course is the ".....if all income were used to retire debt" part of your quotation.
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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beefsteak
Nice find, Sparky
the kicker of course is the ".....if all income were used to retire debt" part of your quotation.
Just trying to understand how the dominoes are really lined up. What's missing here are two biggies, Japan and the UK.
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
Check out this interactive EuroZone debt graphic; click a country to see what they owe, and to whom:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696
What I've often wondered is why the country's can't mutually retire debt that they owe one another. For instance, Italy owes France $309B and France owes Italy $38B. Why doesn't Italy agree to retire all of France's debt, provided that Italy's debt is reduced by the same amount? I suppose it has to do with all the various interest rates and maturities associated with the debt. But is there a listing of each country's "net" debt position?
Edit: Apparently the chart includes all debt owed by each country's banks, including both government and private debt. That makes it much more complicated.
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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Sparky
Why doesn't Italy agree to retire all of France's debt, provided that Italy's debt is reduced by the same amount?
Sparky, this makes too much sense. Logically. Therefore, you are thinking too much. Don't think too much, they don't...so the answer is to be less intelligent.
Think like an idiot. The answers will be easier to find.
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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Sparky
The U.K.'s debt is the biggest joke of the century.
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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monty
We also need to add Josef Ackerman Deutsche Bank who announced he will retire in May.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
The whole article is nonsense.
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Re: MAMBONI: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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Walter Mitty
The whole article is nonsense.
thanks for bumping it.
gave me a chance to re-read the "nonsense".
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Re: Superlatives Fail. ECB Checkmates Bundesbank & All CBs As of 2.19.2012
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Originally Posted by
Sparky
Greece 6.6 years
Italy 6.4 years
Ireland 5.2 years
Portugal 4.4 years
France 4.3 years
United States 3.7 years
Spain 2.8 years
Just trying to understand how the dominoes are really lined up. What's missing here are two biggies, Japan and the UK.
Now you can see who runs the show.
UK is NOT going to show up, as it is where things are run from.
As does Germany.
As does Israel.
Japan has been stealing gold from all Asia from 1900 to 1945, and got away without paying reparations. It has stashes. It has been put out of ability to claim world domination but its total reliance on foreign oil, and now a radiation problem.
The only other wildcards here are:
* CHINA
* RUSSIA