If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

Good evening all. I posted the following comment to an article on mandatory flu vaccination for hospital workers here: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/0...-shot/#respond

As explained in my comment (vide infra), I have been placed in the dilemma of deciding to accept the flu vaccine or lose my medical practice. I have not slept in over a week and frankly, I cannot decide what I should do. Any constructive opinions or advice are welcome.


I am a physician service chief. I have earned MD and PhD and have research background in molecular biology and pharmacology and 20 years clinical practice experience. This year, my hospital medical board voted to make the flu vaccine mandatory for all staff physicians under pain of suspension of clinical privileges (i.e.getting fired). I am opposed to the vaccine for ethical, contractual and basic medical scientific reasons. I wanted to speak to the latter by pointing out the following facts and observations about the specific injectable killed vaccine being mandated by my hospital, all taken from the manufacturer's white sheet insert:

1. the manufacturer admits that it does not know the incidence or risk of developing serious and life-threatening side effects of the vaccine, specifically Guillain-Barre Syndrome, encephalomyelitis, transverse myelitis (neurologic total body paralysis), siezures, febrile siezures and Bell's Palsy. It says this right in the white sheet.

2. In healthy adults (age 18-64) the seroconversion rate after vaccination averages ~50%. Based on published literature, the efficacy (real world protection from influenza) is approx. half to two thirds of this, or approx. 25-35%. Only one third of vaccine recipients will gain true protection from influenza; and that is a best case estimate which is only true if the vaccine is a perfect match to the seasonal flu viruses that form the epidemic. This is right in the manufacturer's white sheet insert. In short, the very justification for mandating the vaccine in health care workers (i.e. to protect patients) is based on a false premise (i.e. the assumption that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing influenza infection, which according to the manufacturer it is not).

Any epidemiologist worth his salt will tell you that 35% efficacy for a vaccine is virtually worthless for preventing spread of influenza virus. I am astounded that doctors and hospitals are mandating what is effectively a placebo – it will have no significant impact on influenza infections in the hospital staff.

I am very torn as to what to do. I do not want to lose my medical practice and my livelihood. I have a wife and two children to support and I am furious at the hospital and medical leadership for putting them in such jeopardy, all for a vaccine of dubious utility. I may compromise and take the shot, not to be unemployed and have to uproot my family to start a new practice elsewhere. But if I accept this vaccine I know I will hate myself for it and wind up ultimately resigning from medicine. Financially, I could retire in 5 years. Now, it would be very difficult.

Let me close with some observations gleaned from hours of researching the influenza vaccine in my search for a way out of my dilemma, one which many of you no doubt share:

Influenza-related deaths have been greatly exaggerated. The risk of being hospitalized or dying from the flu is vanishingly small in a healthy adult, less than 1 in 100,000.

The incidence of influenza-related hospitalizations and deaths have remained virtually unchanged in the US during the last 30 years since the introduction of influenza vaccination. The flu vaccine has had virtually no impact whatsoever – it does not work.

I have discussed this dilemma with two colleagues. One, a retired GP, told me he gave flu vaccines to hundreds of patients and never had one report serious side effects. He thinks I should take the shot. Another colleague, a hematologist-oncologist, told me that he developed Bell’s Palsy soon after receiving a flu shot and required several years to fully recover. He also told me of a colleague who developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after a flu shot and was disabled for 9 months. These are anecdotes to be sure. But when the manufacturer admits that it does not know the risk of these complications, it is safe to say that the risk is at minimum not insignificant and certainly higher than the oft parroted guestimate of one in a million.

Surely you have a connection that will give you one in the privacy of an office. Perhaps the syringe will make it into the bio-hazard box without being used.

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Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2

Surely you have a connection that will give you one in the privacy of an office. Perhaps the syringe will make it into the bio-hazard box without being used.

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I was offered this option by a colleague. But I do not want to lie or commit fraud to avoid the shot.

If you get all the others who dont want to take it to all stand up and walk out...... Go on strike, file a law suit, make them prove that the vaccine actually works. Change the vaccine bottle to saline.... Tell the persons who voted for the mandatory vaccine that they are first and you want to wait a few weeks to see if they kill over before you take it.

Sorry that this is happening to you. If something does happen, you can always study natural healing and become a better man!

Mamboni, You know the answer to this dilemma I 'm sure you know some good folks, some folk that filled the needle with saline, you can work around it, Just be smart and savy...... Play the part , you are not stupid..... you will be ok you are a DR. figure it out! Its all perception.

I vote find a way to fake it by any means...bribery or by threat.

Wow! That's a tough one. Well I guess that depends on the person. My first thought is "fuck them!", I won't put poison in my body because they demand it! However, I drink a lot of beer and I don't eat perfectly so I'm technically already putting poison in my body, so why not do it to save my job? / income,etc... I guess it depends on how important the subject is to you... Are you willing to look someone in the eye and tell them that it is perfectly safe? If not, then why take it yourself? Also, have to live with yourself if someone you give it to or your "practice" gives it and they get sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmIcvrIqvwE

Take the vaccine. Put it in the garbage. Semantics man.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Salty

Take the vaccine. Put it in the garbage. Semantics man.

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What?

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Originally Posted by mamboni

I was offered this option by a colleague. But I do not want to lie or commit fraud to avoid a criminal action that violates my body.

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Originally Posted by mamboni

What?

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He's saying that if you TAKE the vaccine (from your accommodating colleague) then throw it in the trash can unused, you can then truthfully claim that you TOOK the vaccine.

Fuck 'em... they are not respecting you, your body, your life, your liberty, your business/property/livelihood, or your health... there's ZERO obligation or ethical imperative on your part to be perfectly honest and forthright with them!

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Originally Posted by Gaillo

He's saying that if you TAKE the vaccine (from your accommodating colleague) then throw it in the trash can unused, you can then truthfully claim that you TOOK the vaccine.

Fuck 'em... they are not respecting you, your body, your life, your liberty, your business/property/livelihood, or your health... there's ZERO reason on your part to be perfectly honest and forthright with them!

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Yes, your collleague holds out his hand with the vaccine and you "take" it from his hand.
You tell everyone you "took" the vaccine. Brilliant and not a lie. :)

I personally think you should fake it too. If you take a bullet, will anyone really care? I don't think it's worth it.

If you do decide to take it, take a shit load of Activated Charcoal and EDTA capsules to remove that poison from your body. The Activated Charcoal absorbs poisons/pharmaceuticals like a sponge so they pass through your system, and the EDTA will chelate heavy metals out of your body.

This sounds like a plan. I will speak to my colleague next week and carry out Operation Semantic Immunity.

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Originally Posted by ImaCannin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmIcvrIqvwE

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This video made me furious and also so ashamed of our government and the medical established that laid down for big pharma and allowed the American people to be used as test guinea pigs. This country is so fucking corrupt it is sickening. The SOB in charge of the Swu Flu program: what a fucking lying weasel. Not only should he have been fired, he should've been imprisoned for life for knowingly destroying the lives of thousands of innocents. God damn I am so hot right about now.

Hey Mamboni,


I was in africa on holiday recently, and was touring some countries/sites, now in a few of the countries I visited, Yellow Fever Vaccine was required,

So I had a moral dilemna also,

What I did was decided to risk it, with a few conditions.

I loaded up on a shitload of vitamin C a few hours before, during, and after vaccination.

Vitamin C acts as an antitoxin in the body, it acts as a chelating agent, boosts immune function, etc

basically Vitamin C will destroy/nullify/pull out any toxin in the body.

So IMO your risk is about nothing if vitmain c levels are high enough,

in good conscience, you could advise any patient taking a vaccine to do the same thing

Private practice?

I think you would do tremendously well! You are a common sense, intelligent, stand up guy! Patients would love you and pay you cash for your services. Don't take their bullshit any longer!

given the degree to which "doctors" do lie & falsify procedures and medical records for unhealthful, nefarious, & selfish reasons, to do so in the interests of health is sometimes the moral choice.

which doesn't make it any easier.

High-five to everyone in this thread who figured out how to properly take a vaccine.

Mamboni surely has the highest standards of ethics, I agree with Neuro that he would do well with a private practice.

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Originally Posted by mamboni

This sounds like a plan. I will speak to my colleague next week and carry out Operation Semantic Immunity.

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Why should you have any problem with lying to the corporate state (a legal fiction) ESPECIALLY when the intent is to harm you? I certainly don't. lol

What this amounts to is a mandatory ASSAULT to please the godless Communist rats.

The first rule of camouflage: what you see is what you get.

WOW this really sucks. You should never have to choose between your livelihood and your heath and freedom of choice! I dont know you personally but I do feel a friendship with you and hate to see this type of crap being foisted at you and your loved ones. I think deep down inside you, you know what is right and what is wrong. Dont feel loyalty to those that obviously place the big pharma needs above yours.

I was wondering how long it would be before they did this type of maneuver. What better way to sell the public that vaccines are safe... If all the doctors take the vaccines then they can say "Look even the doctors take the vaccines... they must be safe!" What better way to ensure that the veil of normality and safety of a product then to have 100% of the vaccines administrators using the vaccines.

operation sematintic immunity is what i'd do. your wife's husband or children's dad is worth the risk. besides, they'll never find out.

one other thing i'd like to point out as well.

this illustrates the game has changed.

medical decisions are indeed now being made by bureaucrats, not doctors.

Mambo

I would cheat out of it with a 100 bill to the tech and get a saline solution, or just straight up forge whatever paperwork they are using. In war all is fair. They have officially fired the first shot in your direction.

If you want to make this a personal line in the sand I would be happy to help you make certain individuals lives hell that only begins with attempting to get them removed from the board.

I am sure you can get the names, phone, email and/or address of each member that decided to make this mandatory. This is an attack on your livelihood, your liberty and your pursuit of happiness. I would want to know which members voted to force this upon the staff, which ones did not.

I have learned one of life's most powerful weapons against those propagating evil is shame & mockery. Should they choose to terminate a person like yourself over this issue I would make their lives a personal hell. The internet is a powerful tool.

I would enact a movement to get said members stricken from the board. It is clear they have no regard for the health and safety of the people working within the hospital and no respect for science.

Even the federal gov (OSHA) now agrees that hospital workers should not be forced into flu vaccines.
http://therefusers.com/refusers-news...tal-employees/

They could be making a very powerful enemy in you Mambo. I bet you could quickly find out contract details wrt the hospital/vacc manufacturer. I bet the board wouldn't want to see hundreds of papers blowing around the parking lot claiming so and so got XXX kickback from w/e company produced your hospital's vacc. I have many ideas that get a lot more sinister than that, just touching the surface.

This shit has got to end.

what if you used a syringe with a longer needle (1" plus) and then injected, for example, your ear-lobe, or the thin skin between the fingers, so that the needle came out the other side ... the vaccine is expelled onto - the table, not in your body.

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OK, not the best idea.

dont make the members here hold you down to make you take the shot . i was at the doc last week , the doc ask me are you ready for your flu shot i said no and she said why i said because every time i have taken the shot i was sick all winter long , then she went back and look at my records and said i see were you were you stop taken the shots and you didnt get sick . she new there, and then she made notes for me not to take the shot . so maybe i am off the list for now

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one other thing i'd like to point out as well.

this illustrates the game has changed.

medical decisions are indeed now being made by bureaucrats, not doctors.

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Yes! An idea would be to sue the hospital after the employment is terminated. The hospital may not want to take a public fight with one of their senior Drs, and a hefty settlement may come your way Mamboni... Make sure newspapers and local TV stations finds out about the lawsuit when it is filed... A nurse or a janitor at your hospital don't have the same opportunities you have...

We are all in this together.....

I made a post a while back about being FORCED to by DEATHcare from this system. I personally choose to not have healthcare, not because i cant afford it, but because i dont want ANYTHING to do with this medical model we call 'Healthcare'. I have already made my mind up: When the time comes i will quite my job and go back to supporting myself with my many trades.

This is a personal decision, and you need to do what you think is best for you and your family. I dont know how old your children are, but i think you also need to think about the lesson they will learn by watching daddy fold to the Government when TRUTH, MORALS, REALITY and RIGHT are being destroyed. This is paramount in my opinion. This cycle of bullshit will never stop with young children seeing their parents 'go along' with this system.

I TRULY feel for you, but like i said we are all in this together. Each incremental move effect each of us differently. But the answer to the different problems are all the same: NON COMPLIANCE.

Think of the intrinsic invaluable lesson your children can learn by watching dad stand up to Government when Government is in the WRONG.





I just saw this today:


Hospital Employees’ Jobs In Jeopardy If They Don’t Get Flu Shot

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/0...jobs-flu-shot/http://cbsdenver.files.wordpress.com...shot.jpg?w=300

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DENVER (CBS4)- Hospital employees across Colorado are being threatened with their jobs if they don’t get the flu shot by the end of the year.
This requirement is being implemented now even though the State of Colorado only requires more than half of all employees to receive the vaccination. The mandate for all employees doesn’t take effect for several years.

These health care workers feel they are being given a choice: get a flu shot or lose your job.

“I don’t want to get the flu shot and to me it seems I’m getting forced to put a virus into my body that I object to,” said one hospital employee who didn’t want to be identified.
The new state health regulations require flu shots for health care workers to be phased in over the next several years. Right now 60 percent are required.

Almost all hospitals in Colorado, including Exempla Lutheran, have made the vaccinations mandatory.

When asked what happens when employees tell their supervisors they aren’t going to get the flu shot, Exempla Lutheran nurse Renie Lindgren said, “Everyone seems to be compliant.”At
Exempla Lutheran those employees who refuse can be suspended. At Denver Health Medical Center, Centura Health and Banner Health, employees who don’t get a flu shot by the end of the year will be suspended and then fired.

When asked if it is fair to threaten employees with the loss of their jobs, Colorado Hospital Association President and CEO Steven Summer said, “We need to have a workforce available when the public needs it if they are sick. I think people choose to work in a hospital.”

The only way to avoid a flu shot requirement is for medical reasons. In those cases, health care workers are required to wear masks.

“For people already being hit with the ultimatum of it is the shot or your job, I would ask where are they at with the percentages,” said National Vaccination Information Center spokeswoman Theresa Wrangham.

Hospitals said it’s not a matter of just meeting the 60 percent compliance requirement, employees must follow their policies.

“To me it’s against your civil rights. I can see you are trying to protect patients and all of that and I get that but I feel I should have the choice to take a shot or wear a mask,” said the unidentified hospital worker.

The Colorado Department of Public Health said if hospitals want to go beyond the current flu shot requirements that is up to them. The hospitals maintain their policies are for the protection of their employees, patients and the public.

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Video at link.....The DEATH of the individual is accomplished through the slow incremental push for the SAFETY of the general public.

here what wrong with the calling the news companys there the ones pushing this shit . and plus if your not for us then your ours enemies this is what this country has come too . terrorists in a country ours fathers build . in time i see this being used as away to make people take the shot

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Originally Posted by mamboni

But I do not want to lie or commit fraud to avoid the shot.

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We live in a world in which we no longer have the luxury of being able to avoid being dishonest.

Why are you attempting to hang on to a practice that violates your moral code? Get out of public practice and into private practice.

If it is the money then understand that there is no money. A bankrupt system is one seeking means to be solvent.

If it is the prestige of your position then realize there is no honor in accepting benefits from a communist state. There is no private property in such a system either so there can be no profit.

There is nothing to lose and quite a lot to gain by abandoning a position that untenable.

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I have learned one of life's most powerful weapons against those propagating evil is shame & mockery.

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What about the shameless ones which this would have absolutely no effect on?? ???

I recently encountered a 'Lutheran minister' (yes, for real) on a couple of gun forums who's as shameless and vindictive as anyone I've ever had the displeasure of running across. In fact I think he strives to set the standard for shamelessness.

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We live in a world in which we no longer have the luxury of being able to avoid being dishonest.

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Is being 'dishonest' to the beast system *really* being dishonest?

"Thy shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

Is the beast your neighbor?? What neighborhood are you living in?

If you don't want to take the shot don't. I have a friend who almost died from guillane barre disease. Probably came about from a flu shot. Another friend is dying of ALS but I don't know if that has anything to do with flu shots. It's a terrible way to die.

Do what you know is right. Don't lie and sell your soul to keep your job. If I recall right Book told you there was a need for doctors in his part of the world and encouraged you to explore that area if you were to move. I know rural areas in the west are always looking for doctors.

It feels good doing what you believe to be the right thing. A few years ago a trucking company I worked for made all the drivers take a course for homeland security to identify and turn in to the Feds any information about people who they thought might be terrorists. I wouldn't sign up. Their threat was they would fire anyone who wouldn't take part. I finaly quit them and for a long time they tried to get me to come back and work for them. It felt good.

Mamboni,

A flu shot is a physically invasive procedure, correct? I seriously question whether the medical board can legally force this on the staff. One thought, would be to look into getting a legal document notorized refusing this invasive procedure. See what the medical board says to that.

As I recall, from being an EMT, if a patient refuses care, that must be honored. I think there was a form they had to sign acknowledging they refused treatment. If you are having these concerns, perhaps other doctors are as well. It might be worth fighting this legally. Just a thought.

edit: I found this pdf online, perhaps change the specifics around to fit your situation and get it signed by a witness?

http://uhs.nd.edu/assets/40876/refus...dvice_form.pdf

i vote for tying up the organization decision makers and giving them all the doses of vaccines.

then they will be thoroughly protected, no ?

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i vote for tying up the organization decision makers and giving them all the doses of vaccines.

then they will be thoroughly protected, no ?

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Good idea. Use the biggest horse cock needle you can find too. ;D

Maybe the medical board should get their own flu shot, via a tranquilizer gun to the jugular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFW-yxe13lo

Gillette needs MDs. High per capita income and lots of health insurance in these parts.

Rarely do we non-medicos see some of the acute symptomatic presentation of a physician let alone one of your caliber --in real life, not as some Grey's Anatomy version. To be shared with so openly and so frankly is an astonishing privilege, mamboni. Helen and I thank you.

It seems rare for a physician to heal thyself first and foremost. We all are aware of the Hippocratic Oath, first do no harm. It's never particularly dawned on me before now, that a physician such as yourself would find themselves in the position of "being the patient" in this type situation. Helen and I are appalled.

You are undoubtedly at the vanguard of the medico exodus which IS happening and will continue. It is my hope and our prayers and fervent belief you WILL land on your feet, wherever your landing site. You have so very clearly articluated there is "change" in your future, which affects not only yourself, but your immediate family and personal finances. The timing is not your own. But it IS opportunity for you to be an agent of change.

Societally, we ordinary folk are going to benefit in totally unexpected ways from physicians making the difficult transition choices, i.e., moving in one form or another. It is in this "movement" that there is hope for the rest of us because THAT dispersal is a wild card to the central planners. Therein lies the hope.

Perhaps working with the likes of Catherine Austin-Fitts, who herself is a powerful agent of change-- is in your future. We MUST change the medical care delivery system conversation in order to bring about fervently coveted, beneficial change, one physician at a time it would appear.

My prayer for you is that you make the right choice for your personal health, and work out your own salvation. TS has HTF for you, and I'm so sorry for your sleepless angst. There is light and hope beyond your current interface with this unscientifically supported false flag event as you have described it.

God Bless and Protect you and yours, Mamboni.