High Ranking US Major General Exposes September 11 High

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=W0xzsbSbVUEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W0xzsbSbVUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sdg5NzMUF4&feature=player_embedded

a good summary for people to follow when starting out on the road of 911 awareness. Some good points to go and investigate.

Good video. The general should talk to this man: Israel did 9/11 - Dr. Alan Sabrosky - U.S Army War College

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjJFHZ10C5I

Pretty much sums it up...

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

The whole debate over what hit it is essentially meaningless. Zero evidence for a missile, and all kinds for an airplane.

There are guys admitting to specifically documenting it, and others caught in vans with bomb residues.

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Originally Posted by joboo

Pretty much sums it up...

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

The whole debate over what hit it is essentially meaningless. Zero evidence for a missile, and all kinds for an airplane.

There are guys admitting to specifically documenting it, and others caught in vans with bomb residues.

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How many times do I have to do this?

http://www.digitalsportscene.net/for...ilies/gtfo.gif

http://christconquers.files.wordpres...-mural-van.jpg

Urban MOving SyStems IncorporAteD

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Originally Posted by General of Darkness

How many times do I have to do this?

http://www.digitalsportscene.net/for...ilies/gtfo.gif

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Don't feed the troll - it's just Halo doing his job: disrupt and destroy any thread revealing 911 truth. Ignore him, please.

Fucking subhuman.

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Originally Posted by General of Darkness

How many times do I have to do this?

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As many times as you feel like wasting your breath Dr Dingus.

The information is at the link. Counter it. There is zero evidence for a missile. It's retardation based on the lies from Loose Change, and perpetuated by Alex Jonestard.

Read, and learn:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

Feel free to evaluate the site for how "anti" you think it is.
http://911research.wtc7.net/

The claim is he was able to prove it was a missile. Where did he prove anything aside from just giving his opinion about what he thinks it was?

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Originally Posted by joboo

The claim is he was able to prove it was a missile. Where did he prove anything aside from just giving his opinion about what he thinks it was?

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Hundreds of professional pilots have voiced their opinion that nobody, not even a trained pilot could have pulled off the manuever the government claims this mystery jet, flown by untrained personell, supposedly pulled off. So who are we supposed to believe, Joboo and the lying government duo-citizens, or our own common sense?

The point of this thread is that a retired general of 32 years is saying it wasn't done by terrorists.

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Originally Posted by joboo

The claim is he was able to prove it was a missile. Where did he prove anything aside from just giving his opinion about what he thinks it was?

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He is a high ranking general , I believe him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY&feature=player_embedded#at =66http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY&feature=player_embedded#at=66

Sad how after all these years he finds out he has been lied too............

Its has been obvious for sometime that ISRAEL DID 9/11

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Originally Posted by Serpo

He is a high ranking general , I believe him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY&feature=player_embedded#at =66http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY&feature=player_embedded#at=66

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There's no doubt I believe he thinks what he thinks is true. Thing is, did he watch loose change, and listen to Alex Jones, and endless regurgitation's of that plastered across the net, and come to the same conclusions? That's the question.

He makes no new points, and provides no new evidence other than what everyone already knows found freely available on the internet. The problem is once you make a conclusion you will perceive any evidence to match it. That method of thinking is a trap imo.

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Originally Posted by woodman

Hundreds of professional pilots have voiced their opinion that nobody, not even a trained pilot could have pulled off the manuever the government claims this mystery jet, flown by untrained personell, supposedly pulled off. So who are we supposed to believe, Joboo and the lying government duo-citizens, or our own common sense?

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The plane could have been auto piloted into that flight pattern, as indicated by reading the link I provided. It doesn't matter who thinks they could have flown that, the plane CAN fly that. Who cares who is flying it? You can't make the assumption the pilot was bad, so it's impossible if the whole terrorist narrative is a fabrication anyways right?


Guys....this information has been out since 2006. Where have you all been?

Some serious Alex Jones promoted Loose change deprogramming needs to take place with this line of thinking.

You may not be aware of it but it has affected your perception.

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Originally Posted by vacuum

The point of this thread is that a retired general of 32 years is saying it wasn't done by terrorists.

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Yes, and no. That way the interview was setup no, the big picture for this guy, yes. But why float out a total misconception when introducing him? It's wrong.

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Originally Posted by Norweger

http://christconquers.files.wordpres...-mural-van.jpg

Urban MOving SyStems IncorporAteD

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Urban Moving Systems and Detained Israelis

2 found with video of Sears Tower

Michelle Mowad, Special to The Mercury October 17, 2001

PLYMOUTH -- Two men whom police described as Middle Eastern were detained in the township by federal imigration authorities after being found with detailed footage of the Sears Tower in Chicago. Plymouth Police encountered the men after an officer responded to Pizzeria Uno on the 1000 block of West Ridge Pike at 2:40 p.m. Thursday for a report of illegal dumping, according to reports. A manager there advised the police officer that a tractor-trailer was observed backed up to the dumpster at the rear of the restaurant. The manager noticed a freshly dumped pile of furniture adjacent to the dumpster, according to police. The manager confronted the vehicle's operator, a Middle Eastern man, police said. The man, who later identified himself as Moshe Elmakias, 30, denied that he did anything and fled the scene, heading west on West Ridge Pike, according to police. The manager was able to provide township police with the Florida registration number of the tractor-trailer and said that a sign posted on the side of the vehicle read "Moving Systems Incorporated" and included a phone number, police said. The area was searched by township police, and the vehicle was spotted parked on the curb in front of John Kennedy ford on Ridge Pike, Just west of Industrial Way. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/sears.html

Deeper Shades of Mossad – Urban Moving Systems and the Exploding Mural Van September 25, 2011

Addendum: It has come to my attention that some folks are trying to pass the above image [Image opn Mamboni's post- JQP] off as a genuine photo of the real ‘mural van’. It is not. It is merely an approximation; a graphic representation of what the truck may have looked like, according to the available eyewitness descriptions of the real truck. Listening to the audio, obviously the real truck exploded that day… so I’m not sure how anyone could think that this was actually a real photo. What? Like Mossad just took a picture of their handiwork and just threw it up on Facebook or something? Come on! The real truck most likely didn’t have Urban Moving Systems emblazoned across the side either… but you never know.

The image was made specifically for the video below, simply to visually drive home the sheer insanity of the people who would dare to do such a thing. Personally after a great deal of thought, I’m leaning towards thinking that this had to be a diversion for something else. Perhaps more than one something else… Were truck bombs used at the WTC towers as well? There were reports of exactly that on the news from that day. Something other than planes caused huge explosions in the twin towers that day. Of that much I’m quite certain.

(Video mentioned here):

http://youtu.be/Huf2Kz7bV2k

The 9/11 Mural Van: Rabbit Hole or Memory Hole?

...a man named Robert Stanford, who was the Emergency Coordinator for the New York City District Amateur Radio Emergency Service recorded several hours of police and fire radio transmissions, including this: http://web.archive.org/web/200811300...udio/wtc10.wav
Shortly after the 3:00 mark, you can hear the following:
“the plane just exploded in the air”
“explosives on King and 6th Avenue”
“one of those remote controlled planes filled with explosives”
Note that King and 6th Avenue is well away from the unfolding disaster further downtown at the World Trade Center.
After many requests for information about “that remote controlled plane,” at 5:16 the events get even stranger:
“It’s a big truck with a mural painted of an airplane diving into New York City and exploding. Don’t know what’s in the truck. The truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street.”
“with a mural painted .. .airplane .. diving into New York blowin up .. two men got out of the truck .. ran away from it, we got those two under”
“good good”
“you got those… you holding those two guys?”
“got them under let’s get some units…”
“…fucking beat the shit out of them…”
“you alright over there?”
“we have both suspects under… we have the suspects who drove in the van, the van exploded, we have both of them under, let’s get some help over here”
“I’m sending you ESU there, I just wanted to make sure you and your guys all right over there”
“we have both of the …driven .. that exploded …”
“what location?”
“King Street between 6th and Seventh”...

...The few sites that do mention the story tend to use a graphic (and somewhat ridiculous) representation of the van and present it as a photo of the actual van....

Ever notice that 911 draws trolls as shyte draws flies?

I have great admiration for Al Stubblebein's wife. She figured it out sooner because she didn't have those strongly ingrained beliefs. Al himself is a bit slow on the uptake. That might be why he made it so high in the military hierarchy. I suppose he also figured out that the military doesn't reward people who think for themselves. I'm surprised that he didn't comment on the veracity of the videos that showed the planes just ''flying right into the buildings" without revealing any damage to the plane to anyone outside the buildings. I am, however proud of Al. He's moving in the right direction.


Hatha

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Originally Posted by JohnQPublic

Deeper Shades of Mossad – Urban Moving Systems and the Exploding Mural Van September 25, 2011

Addendum: It has come to my attention that some folks are trying to pass the above image [Image opn Mamboni's post- JQP] off as a genuine photo of the real ‘mural van’. It is not.

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Thanks. I was going to mention the van is a total photoshop. Some people still think it's a real photo.

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Originally Posted by Hatha Sunahara

Ever notice that 911 draws trolls as shyte draws flies?

Hatha

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It sure does...

You don't need to look any further than this thread for evidence. People with the illusion of knowledge ....based on proven lies....stabbing out with sharpened knives, and vicious stares. These people are crazy. I don't know what happened to them, but it ain't pretty.

They got caught up in a cult based thinking methodology, made their conclusions, then stopped thinking beyond it altogether from that point on. Fortunately a respectable portion of the populous didn't stop thinking, and are not susceptible to mistruths enshrined in cult like behavior. Sadly religion really does play a part in it.

The fast brain v.s. slow brain thinking vid/book I posted helps to explain it further.

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Originally Posted by Hatha Sunahara

I'm surprised that he didn't comment on the veracity of the videos that showed the planes just ''flying right into the buildings" without revealing any damage to the plane to anyone outside the buildings.


Hatha

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I didn't understand this part of your post Hatha.

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Originally Posted by joboo

It sure does...

You don't need to look any further than this thread for evidence. People with the illusion of knowledge ....based on proven lies....stabbing out with sharpened knives, and vicious stares. These people are crazy. I don't know what happened to them, but it ain't pretty.

They got caught up in a cult based thinking methodology, made their conclusions, then stopped thinking beyond it altogether from that point on. Fortunately a respectable portion of the populous didn't stop thinking, and are not susceptible to mistruths enshrined in cult like behavior. Sadly religion really does play a part in it.

The fast brain v.s. slow brain thinking vid/book I posted helps to explain it further.

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Sounds like you are talking about yourself there Joboo. You try to sound all high and mighty, talking down to us mere mortals. Any one with any common sense can see that a plane never hit the petagon. The only reason they had to sequester all the videos was so they could try and propogate their ridiculous claims. I notice that you seem to have all the time on earth to peruse the site and back up the government's ridiculous conspiracy theory. Really, why do you care so much? You are working so hard that we all suspect you are trying to earn a check.

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Originally Posted by woodman

Sounds like you are talking about yourself there Joboo. You try to sound all high and mighty, talking down to us mere mortals. Any one with any common sense can see that a plane never hit the petagon. The only reason they had to sequester all the videos was so they could try and propogate their ridiculous claims. I notice that you seem to have all the time on earth to peruse the site and back up the government's ridiculous conspiracy theory. Really, why do you care so much? You are working so hard that we all suspect you are trying to earn a check.

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You're making false assumptions based on your mind falling into fast brain thinking. Not releasing the videos it still not proof of something either way.

Why would anyone care to have accurate information on 9/11? I can think of endless reasons. Richard Gage would agree, and has done excellent work with it.

Why would anyone care to point out, and distance themselves from crackpot theories when trying to get to the bottom of something?....again, endless reasons.

So you still think that an aluminum shell of a plane penetrated through to the 5th interior level of the petagram?

I got some bridges for sale...

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Originally Posted by woodman

I didn't understand this part of your post Hatha.

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If an aluminum plane flies into a steel building a thousand times its size, wouldn't you expect the sudden deceleration to make it crumple and compress at least partially outside the building, and pieces of it would come to a dead stop and fall to the ground just below the point of impact? But no--what we see on TV is the plane flying right into the building and disappearing without a trace of damage to the plane visible from outside the building. This to me is a dead giveaway that we are watching Computer Generated Imagery--essentially a cartoon on the TV. And everybody believes it!


Hatha

I dont remember them finding any bodies on the pentagon lawn

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Originally Posted by Hatha Sunahara

If an aluminum plane flies into a steel building a thousand times its size, wouldn't you expect the sudden deceleration to make it crumple and compress at least partially outside the building, and pieces of it would come to a dead stop and fall to the ground just below the point of impact? But no--what we see on TV is the plane flying right into the building and disappearing without a trace of damage to the plane visible from outside the building. This to me is a dead giveaway that we are watching Computer Generated Imagery--essentially a cartoon on the TV. And everybody believes it!


Hatha

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I understand what you are saying Hatha. I certainly don't claim to know the facts. I do believe that if no planes hit the bldgs, many people would cry foul because they were there and saw that no planes hit. I think it is certainly posible for someone to stage the videos however.

It is also a fact that speed gives strange properties to otherwise weak materials. It is often noted after particularly viscious tornadoes that many blades of green grass are driven right into the side of telephone poles. So in this case I suppose I would have to claim ignorance and bow to superior knowledge of those versed in physical science and structural analysis. What is the concensus among physical scientists I wonder.

Don't take my skepticism of the 'no planes' theory to mean that I think the planes brought the buildings down. Those buildings were brought down by some kind of explosives. They were 'pulled'. It certainly was an inside job and most likely done by our dual government whose loyalties do not lie with our nation but with a miserable little nation called Israel.

I also feel that it goes way beyond loyalties to Israel. They are on a fast track to take away all our liberties and the constitution our father died to implement. It is the NWO and they desire power.

Seems that the laws of physics were suspended on 9/11/2001. The good General thinks that the puffs of dust that blew out sequentially from the floors just below the point of collapse in the building were demolition charges set to go off sequentially. Those puffs of smoke could also have been caused by the top of the building, which did not turn into a dust cloud, descending on the lower floors and compressing the gasses in those floors just prior to their dustification. The big mystery is what really caused most of the buildings to turn into dust, and the rest of it to melt into pools of iron underneath all the dust and rubble. Those pools of molten iron stayed molten for weeks or months even. How much energy would it take to do all that? My guess is a hell of a lot of energy. Far more than a single plane could deliver in an impact, unless the plane was carrying some kind of nuclear device. But then what was that big boom everybody heard below each of the buildings just before the collapse started? If you want a clue, go google some images of the Fiterman building on 911. This was the building across the street from WTC7. Look at the damage to that building. And keep in mind that no plane hit WTC7. That damage begs for some kind of explanation.


Hatha

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Originally Posted by joboo

There's no doubt I believe he thinks what he thinks is true. Thing is, did he watch loose change, and listen to Alex Jones, and endless regurgitation's of that plastered across the net, and come to the same conclusions? That's the question.

He makes no new points, and provides no new evidence other than what everyone already knows found freely available on the internet. The problem is once you make a conclusion you will perceive any evidence to match it. That method of thinking is a trap imo.

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However in his case he has decades of intelligence experience, knows how the military operates from the inside, knows all about command and control, and is presumably non-reactionary, level-headed, rational, and objective.

In other words, both his experience and presumed character qualities mean that because he has vetted his information from his perspective and endorsed it, the evidence gains credibility rather than the endorsement taking credibility from him. Of course it's exactly the opposite for people biased against the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Serpo

I dont remember them finding any bodies on the pentagon lawn

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There have been many high speed plane crashes where they simply don't find bodies, or much of the plane for that matter. People have a tendency to atomize back into water vapor under immense forces. Sounds crazy but it's true.

We are entering the information revolution in mankind's history. How people think is way more important to me than what people think. People are constantly bombarded by information, and the mind comes up with fast type thinking to cope with it.

So much in fact that some people can't fully escape the process. These types need to retrain themselves back into slow brain thinking. It's essentially a mess for some.

How you're thinking about something is a scenario few give much thought... i.e. really think about.

The assumption was seeded by loose change, then preached (literally..as in cult) ad naseum by Alex Jones, and parroted again, and again far and wide.

The bottom line is they had airplanes...they most definitely used them, and all the evidence points to it.

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Originally Posted by vacuum

However in his case he has decades of intelligence experience, knows how the military operates from the inside, knows all about command and control, and is presumably non-reactionary, level-headed, rational, and objective.

In other words, both his experience and presumed character qualities mean that because he has vetted his information from his perspective and endorsed it, the evidence gains credibility rather than the endorsement taking credibility from him. Of course it's exactly the opposite for people biased against the whole thing.

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His experience, from what he described, is taking arial footage of landscapes for intelligence. He says says he's visual....well so am I, so are a lot of people, in fact most are.

He could be the most rational person in the world, but if he is forming conclusions with false information the whole thing is moot.

You can't read all kinds of data into an equation based on blind assumptions you think could/should be true.

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Originally Posted by joboo

There have been many high speed plane crashes where they simply don't find bodies, or much of the plane for that matter. People have a tendency to atomize back into water vapor under immense forces. Sounds crazy but it's true.

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Links, examples?

Israel recruits 'army of bloggers' to combat anti-Zionist Web sites

Israelis who speak a second language to represent Israel on 'problematic' Websites in new Absorption Ministry program.

By Cnaan Liphshiz | Jan.19, 2009 | 1:37 AM | http://www.haaretz.com/images/icons/comment.png 12




The Immigrant Absorption Ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an "army of bloggers," to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language, to represent Israel in "anti-Zionist blogs" in English, French, Spanish and German.
The program's first volunteer was Sandrine Pitousi, 31, from Kfar Maimon, situated five kilometers from Gaza. "I heard about the project over the radio and decided to join because I'm living in the middle of the conflict," she said.
Before hanging up the phone prematurely following a Color Red rocket alert, Pitousi, who immigrated to Israel from France in 1993, said she had some experience with public relations from managing a production company.
"During the war, we looked for a way to contribute to the effort," the ministry's director general, Erez Halfon, told Haaretz. "We turned to this enormous reservoir of more than a million people with a second mother tongue." Other languages in which bloggers are sought include Russian and Portuguese.
Halfon said volunteers who send the Absorption Ministry their contact details by e-mail, at media@moia.gov.il, will be registered according to language, and then passed on to the Foreign Ministry's media department, whose personnel will direct the volunteers to Web sites deemed "problematic." ie gsus ;D
Within 30 minutes of announcing the program, which was approved by the Foreign Ministry on Sunday, five volunteers were already in touch, Halfon said.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...sites-1.268393



also.........http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10...israeli-shill/

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Originally Posted by JohnQPublic

Links, examples?

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911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/compare/jetcrashdebris.html

If the forces are enough to break steel, and hardened aluminum into tiny microscopic fragmented pieces, you can bet skin, and bone is going to be no contest by comparison. The forces involved are so immense it's hard to fully comprehend. Add fire to the mix, and there's very little/nothing left to find after the fact.

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Originally Posted by Hatha Sunahara

Seems that the laws of physics were suspended on 9/11/2001. The good General thinks that the puffs of dust that blew out sequentially from the floors just below the point of collapse in the building were demolition charges set to go off sequentially. Those puffs of smoke could also have been caused by the top of the building, which did not turn into a dust cloud, descending on the lower floors and compressing the gasses in those floors just prior to their dustification. The big mystery is what really caused most of the buildings to turn into dust, and the rest of it to melt into pools of iron underneath all the dust and rubble. Those pools of molten iron stayed molten for weeks or months even. How much energy would it take to do all that? My guess is a hell of a lot of energy. Far more than a single plane could deliver in an impact, unless the plane was carrying some kind of nuclear device. But then what was that big boom everybody heard below each of the buildings just before the collapse started? If you want a clue, go google some images of the Fiterman building on 911. This was the building across the street from WTC7. Look at the damage to that building. And keep in mind that no plane hit WTC7. That damage begs for some kind of explanation.


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Neither plane impact, focal floor collapse or fire brought those massive overbuilt towers down, not by a long shot.

Fact: WTC 1 & 2 were built with 600% load redundancy. The work energy created by the falling top could not collapse the building beneath it - it was simply impossible.

Fact: Steel only weakens and melts well above 1200 degrees F. And the heat must be highly concentrated - think a blast furnace. An office fire burns no hotter than 450 degrees F. Nowhere in this galaxy could such a fire even get the massive steel members in the towers red hot, let alone melt, because of the heat wicking effect of the steel skeleton.

Fact: Molten steel quickly cools and solidifies at ambient temperatures, within minutes to hours. Molten steel in lakes was witnessed by multiple firemen underneath the collapsed towers weeks after 911. This is de facto proof of eutectic molten metal, ongoing thermite/thermate reactions.

Fact: Thermate was detected in the rubble widely. And the steel showed severe sulfuric corrosion, or sulfurization, proof of thermate combustion.

WTC 1, 2 & 7 were indisputably brought down by controlled demolition and therefore, 911 was an inside job. Anyone who would dispute this is either misinformed, uninformed or a disinformation shill working indirectly or directly for the very people who committed this crime against the United States.

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Originally Posted by joboo

911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/compare/jetcrashdebris.html

If the forces are enough to break steel, and hardened aluminum into tiny microscopic fragmented pieces, you can bet skin, and bone is going to be no contest by comparison. The forces involved are so immense it's hard to fully comprehend. Add fire to the mix, and there's very little/nothing left to find after the fact.

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Yeah sure - you're so damn smart. It's a good thing that Mohommad Atta's passport survived the impact in virtual pristine condition. Obviously, it was fabricated out of fire-resistent high-tensile paper and plastic.

Moron.