-
Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
It *kills me* to have to post this criticism of Deanna Spingola [henceforth "DS"], as I've seen her as a fountain of high quality 'Truthy' information ever since I first discovered her a couple years ago. See:
Thread: mp3s - Spingola with ZionCrimeFactory, Kaminski, Lawson, others
Thread: Vaccine [BioWeapon] Awareness Week - Deanna Spingola podcasts
Thread: MEN: alt prostate cancer discussion on Spingola
Thread: Who Rewrote the Bible? Dr. Lorraine Day on Spingola
Thread: great truth radio podcast blog - no commercials!
... and in 10s of other GSUS threads of varying topics, I've linked to DS podcasts where her guest was relevant to the thread topic. DS has emerged as probably my single favorite & most highly-valued radio podcaster. So it was crushing for me to listen to yesterday's (15 Jan 2014) DS show, which she did solo, discussing her [proclaimed...:-[] view of the Sandy Hoax controversy.
Find the MP3 of the 81 minute show here, for downloading or listening via the player console there. DS "jumps the shark" beginning at 12:20; transcribing here:
" [...] I believe that on December 14 2012, twenty year old Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children, and 6 adult staff members, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Connecticut, which was founded in 1705, which had a population in 2012 of 28,042 people. Before driving to the school, Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy, and as first responders arrived, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Friends and family attended the many funerals that were held. There were people that were killed. There were funerals.
Now, with regards to Sandy Hook, and the Boston bombing. Those are two entirely different events. The Boston bombing, with the guy in the wheelchair, and the fake blood, and all the other things that were associated with that event, which I believe was held, was orchestrated, in order to draw attention from Sandy Hook. There were obviously a lot of questionable things in that event, in the Boston Marathon event, and I do believe that it was a distraction from Sandy Hook, to get us focused on the next event, you know, let's move on, let's forget about Sandy Hook, let's move on to Boston. Don't focus on Sandy Hook people, let's go on to Boston.
Now, a little background on why I believe these things. [...] " < quote ends at 14:13 in the podcast.
DS then spends nearly the entire remainder of the show, (obviously) reading her prepared dissertation: a presumably factual summary of how evil Big Pharma is, about the perilous side effects of their SSRI anti-depressant drugs, and about their extraordinary control of government, doctors, med schools, etc. DS does take a brief detour from her Evil Big Pharma spiel, beginning at 30:40,
" [...] A little bit about Adam Lanza. His mother loved guns. She often took her sons to one of the shooting ranges in the area. She was active there. She was a gun enthusiast. Adam removed the hard drive from his computer and damaged it prior to the shooting, which created a challenge for the investigators in recovering data. He was obsessed with massive school shootings. He actually had a target range in his basement, where he practiced target shooting; and you can do that without actually shooting you know. He was obsessed. He was particularly obsessed with the Columbine High School massacre, and other shootings. This was just part of his mentallity. [...] " < quote ends at 31:40 in the podcast.
DS then went on to resume her Evil Big Pharma spiel. Regarding the '...guns..' detour above, DS uncharacteristically did not cite her source for these assertions about the Lanzas & guns. But I was following and participating in the live http://spingola.chatango.com chat which is active simultaneously with DS's live show, and I asked DS what her source was for the above '...guns..' assertions. At the next break, DS responded with,
Obsessions of Adam Lanza, Newtown Killer, in Detail - NYTimes.com (31 March 2013)*
Did you catch that? DS's "source", was none other than The JEW NEW York Times... :D No wonder she uncharacteristically didn't cite her source for these assertions in her live show; it would have instantly crushed the cred of the Sandy Hoax 'message' which her solo show was designed to deliver. What's next, is DS going to come out affirming zion.nist.gov's WTC7 story, coz NYT reported it? ???
*(Note: In her show-chat session, DS did not LINK to her NYT source; she only dropped a TEXT chat message with title, NYT, and date. I've closed the chatango chat window already and I'm not sure how to retrieve the entire show-chat at chatango; but her citation's title included the word "Chilling", it was NYT, and it was dated March '13. My Startpage search for the NYT story she cited didn't yield anything with all 3 of those ingredients, only the latter 2. The only NYT Lanza story with the word "Chilling" in the title, was dated in Nov '13: Chilling Look at Newtown Killer, but No 'Why' - NYTimes.com. So I pointed to the Mar '13 NYT story above. It could be she drew from multiple NYT/Lanza articles, though she didn't cite them in her show-chat session.)
So, DS's proclaimed view of 'The REAL Truth of Sandy Hoax', is right in line with that which TUT blog's Glenn/Piper/Tillawi crew has advocated though 2013, namely that zion.gov's official SH narrative is essentially accurate, and that the lethal side effects of Evil Big Pharma's SSRI's should be the take-home message of Sandy Hoax. DS presented her show as "a different take on Sandy Hook"; but there was nothing 'different' about it; it was just her falling in line with the TUT blog's SH tact over the past ~year. :( To her credit, she didn't lower herself, and indeed condemned, playing the 'ridicule' card in seeking to discourage SH-skepticism-- that card being the central gambit in the Glenn/Piper/Tillawi crew's nausiating efforts to discourage/silence SH-skepticism, while trying to prop up zion.gov's official SH story.
Also right in line with TUT blog's SH tact, was DS's conspicuous avoidance of addressing the numerous problems with zion.gov's official SH narrative (also ref Dr. Tracy's SH blog, and "Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook Was an Elaborate Hoax" authored by Vivian Lee, Sofia Smallstorm, James Tracy, Jim Fetzer and the Sandy Hook Research Group). At 29:00, DS addressed a 'dissenting' chat message posted by one the the show-chat participants:
" Somebody in the chat room just said, 'Deanna, I agree that they are covering for SSRIs, but there is more to it than just that. There is too much that just does not add up.'
I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. "
DS then just resumed her Evil Big Pharma spiel, without expanding on her statement above whatsoever. Now, how does that concilliatory statement above, 'throwing a bone' to the SH-Skeptic/Truth Community which DS was officially parting company with in this show, jibe with her 12:20 " [...] I believe that on December 14 2012, twenty year old Adam Lanza fatally [...] " statement quoted in full above? Answer: IT JUST FLAT DOESN'T. She's either being disingenuous in her "I totally agree with you" shtick, or she's being disingenuous with her whole anti-SH-Skeptic/Truth shtick. Because it simply cannot be both ways!
Another element of DS's overall anti-SH-skepticism appeal, actually asserts that the SH-Skeptic/Truth movement, is itself, a zion.corp.gov operation.... :D Yes, she suggests that the 'SH = HOAX WITH ACTORS' movement might itself be a big op designed to (mis)lead 'Truthers' into a fruitless avenue of inquiry, diverting their attention & scrutiny away from Big Pharma's SSRIs with their suicidal and mass-murderous side effects... o)(~ DS at 1:15:40 :
"[...] Now, if 27 people were murdered on that day, were killed on that day, because the shooter was taking a psychotropic drug, and if people, people in the mainstream are not going to ask any questions. Typically people are so busy; they're watching TV, they're being massively entertained, they're not going to ask questions; they're going to believe everything they're told. People in the alternative media are not like that. We are going to be skeptical, we're going to ask questions, we're going to make the connection between a mass shooting, and a drug company that makes billions of dollars a year selling psychotropic drugs. So the best way for a counter-operation, is to say, 'Hey, nobody died. Nobody died that day.' [...]"
I don't even understand how her "...the Boston Marathon event, and I do believe that it was a distraction from Sandy Hook, to get us focused on the next event, you know, let's move on, let's forget about Sandy Hook, let's move on to Boston. Don't focus on Sandy Hook people, let's go on to Boston " shtick, quoted in full above, is supposed to fit into her larger SH theory, where she professes to believe that zion.gov's official SH narrative is essentially accurate. So, what's .gov's MOTIVE in seeking to divert the public's attention from SH?! Lemme guess: Big.Pharma.gov was PANICING that too many 'REAL Truthers' were not taking .gov's fabricated 'SH = HOAX WITH ACTORS Movement' bait; and that they were instead smartly focusing on the dangers of SSRIs; and therefore Boston was staged to snuff out SH scrutiny altogether? REALLY?? Baffling SH/Boston theory for DS to assert! :o (IF that's her reasoning-- I can only speculate because she didn't clarify her theory for zion.gov's motive...)
So in summary, I don't know for sure what to make of DS's jumping the shark WRT Sandy Hoax like this, but I do suspect something amiss behind the scenes. Think, John Perkins' "pile of money in one hand, bullet in the other... pick one!" analogy. She did get on board with American Free Press a few months ago-- and AFP, as well as Mike Piper, are credibly alleged by Chris Bollyn to be CIA controlled opposition ops, ref:
Thread: Bollyn on DBS, Hufschmid, Piper, Thorn, CIA
also see, including the posts following these:
Abandoning support for The Ugly Truth podcasts - The TUT blog guys continue to alienate me with their coordinated & nauseatingly ongoing 'anti-Sandy-Hook-skepticism' campaign, spearheaded by Glenn, Piper & Tillawi.
The Piper Report 2013.08.26 - posturing himself as the big 'anti-shill', whilst shilling away through the show about a variety of people & topics
Current Issues with Hesham Tillawi Jan 13, 2013 - The Glenn/Piper/Tillawi crew introduce their new campaign: Zion.gov is telling the truth about Sandy HookNose events, and those doubting this are "hurting the Truth Movement"... :o
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
She probably had a visit from the Jewish Mafia like a lot of others have. Probably threats against herself and family. If the Jews can't bribe or blackmail someone they kill them. Lots of that exposed in the book by Mike King "Forbidden History of the NWO".
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
From Pat's post:
Now, with regards to Sandy Hook, and the Boston bombing. Those are two entirely different events. The Boston bombing, with the guy in the wheelchair, and the fake blood, and all the other things that were associated with that event, which I believe was held, was orchestrated, in order to draw attention from Sandy Hook. There were obviously a lot of questionable things in that event, in the Boston Marathon event, and I do believe that it was a distraction from Sandy Hook, to get us focused on the next event, you know, let's move on, let's forget about Sandy Hook, let's move on to Boston. Don't focus on Sandy Hook people, let's go on to Boston.
This is quite ridiculous for her to assert that they would like to draw attention away from Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook was their masterpiece and I'd think they would do anything to milk it for all it is worth. Very strange. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Pat.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Sounds like she might have a stigmatism of some sort with regards to big pharma, some personal experience that clouds vision with hate possibly.
While the story may have been dumped for those reasons, it does not guarantee truth.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
woodman
This is quite ridiculous for her to assert that they would like to draw attention away from Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook was their masterpiece and I'd think they would do anything to milk it for all it is worth. Very strange. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Pat.
We're on the same page as to SH being a Zion.gov false flag hoax, designed to be milked hard. And milk it they did, of course.
http://nathanbickel.files.wordpress....pg?w=577&h=501
But Spingola is claiming to believe SH was real, as zion.gov has purported! And that Boston was a true FF/hoax, staged by zion.gov to divert the public's attention away from SH?! WHY?! Zion.media.gov was all about immersing the public in their Sandy HookNoseHOAX, in order to move their agenda forward!
http://s2.postimg.org/xfa0py1wp/rosenringing.jpg
Separately, here's a prediction. Today (16 Jan) SH-Skeptic John Friend is supposed to have a 'debate' over SH, with MCPiper who professes to believe zion.gov isn't lying in this one anomalous instance wrt SH.
Not sure when, as I don't see it "Upcoming" on either JFriend's or AFP's blogtalk pages. But imagining it takes place, I predict Piper will milking this Spingola show for all it's worth, in seeking to puff up their completely untenable 'zion.gov aint lying about SH' position.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
sandy hooknosehoax
-lmfao!
...and holy crap, you nailed it with Rosen's caricature.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
The evil of these creatures is beyond what many are capable of imagining, we have to forgive them for that.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
I dunno. Springola is probably just becoming realistic and taking a dive like all the other so-called Truthers. The notion that us goyim will ever have Someone lead us against the jews is obviously laughable in 2014. Remember Ron Paul and Glen Beck and Jesse Ventura and all the other sell-outs? Keeping the fools who listen to talk radio distracted from their fucked up lives. As phony as Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party. It's all been futile ever since this guy failed at trying to unite us goys:
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Book, I won't thank your post for the simple reason that I believe you are being too defeatist. Yes, we are a conquered people, all the more so because most of us do not even realize that we are slaves and have been conquered, but that is what this is all about...., it is the reason we are here debating and sharing ideas; we must keep informing those around us and teaching them about what has been done and what history is real and what is hoax. Don't give up people. Don't ever give up and continue to teach those around you.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
When I posted the OP, Mami's Shit blog hadn't yet posted this Jan 15 Spingola show. They pretty much always post Spingola's shows within maybe 1-2 hours after the live airing, so this was unusual, coz I posted the OP about 16 hours after the Jan 15 show ended, and still no Mami's post of the show. Well it finally appeared there, some ~24 hours after the live show! I was eager to read the comments, of course. Well it's been @ Mami's about 10 hours now, and has 11 comments atm:
Quote:
Spingola Speaks 2014.01.15
As it seems that the online controversy including but not limited to independent authors, bloggers, investigators, journalists, researchers, and last but not in the least, talk show hosts, continues over what did or did not happen at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on December 14th, 2012, Deanna talked about this issue today.
News Page
Deanna's site
Official chat room
Spingola Speaks .Info
Download MP3
Posted by
Mami at 12:51 PM
11 comments:
I was so interested to see the Mami's "uncensored" comments, coz I know first hand that Spingola-related sites have been CENSORING, such as
Wednesday, Deanna ~ Sandy Hook
^ where, within 30 mins of posting the OP here, I submitted it as a comment there. I posted this thread title, and the link to here. It went into "awaiting moderation" queue. So I kept the browser tab open, refreshing from time to time. After a few hours, my submission was gone, into the ether. CENSORED. And at this writing, there are still NO COMMENTS posted there. Does that make any sense, when Mami's blog for the show has 11 comments in just ~10 hours?
"IRONIC", as those readers who listened to the show know, Deanna opened it with a spiel about gatekeeping, and the "Delphi Technique" within the TM?! :-[
When I have more time, I'll post about my experience in the live show chatango chat session-- how the mod there "30o06" (thirty odd six) was DELPHI-ing the chat room, ad-hom 'ridiculing' critical commenters, and yes, CENSORING (deleting critical comments, incl several of mine, whilst denying having deleted anything). :(
Actually, besides Deanna's jumping the shark on SH; that ^ very 'telling' chat room experience helped put a fire under me to write this critical thread! Something stinks in Spingola land... I hope she's okay, not too stressed out, imagining she's under some sort of coercion to betray common sense, her audience, etc like she has with her untenable [proclaimed...] SH/Boston position!
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
the "truth" movement is full of pied pipers. It would be another shame.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Glass
the "truth" movement is full of pied pipers. It would be another shame.
It is a shame. If Spingola has been compromised though, it wouldn't surprise me. If she has become popular, it would mean that her show is a commercial success.
Commerce is under the jurisdiction of law and law is governed. Actually Law is Government. Or rather Government is the enactment and enforcement of Law.
So, if a show becomes popular, it will attract the enforcers of law to it like flies to honey. Who knows, perhaps she received a call from her attorney or some such noser,
to cease certain commentary or be sanctioned, or litigated out of existence. It is a shame. It turns free speech into a bad joke.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Deanna responds (13th reply, no direct link) @ Mami's:
Quote:
Deanna said...
I opened my program with this statement: "I expect that some people will ridicule me for today’s program. In that regard, I would like to have you refer back to the program that I conducted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 when I discussed Beverly K. Eakman’s book, How to Counter Group Manipulation Tactics. On the front cover, there is a group of 23 people sitting at a round table. Then there is the facilitator or operative who is probably five times the size of the targets, the group of people. In a text bubble, he is saying “Even a child could see…” We in the truth movement are a group of people; each of us has that herd mentality whether we admit it or not. We do not want to counter a popular stance because we do not want to be ridiculed." Predictably, people have responded as I anticipated, along with name-calling, something in which I do not engage. I did not mention anyone else's research on this event or do a hatchet job on anyone. That is not my style!
At no time did I say that I accepted the government's views of this event. Truth is not a popularity contest or something to vote on. So what if others have previously produced their views on this event. Does that mean 'case closed' - no other views are allowed? I presented some other thoughts about the event. I do not have a monopoly on the truth and I don't think that anyone else does either. As I stated at the end of the program, I was not there. Anyone who was not there has no idea what happened. We are all susceptible and vulnerable to what we read and see in the media, including the Internet. People should be open-minded enough to review all the possibilities. Apparently, some people have selectively listened to what I said or didn't even bother to listen to the entire program and have already made up their minds about what is true and what isn't. As far as accusing me of buying the official version, what of those who accepted the MS media's programming suggestions of controlled demolition on 9/11? Does that mean that they have sold out to Silverstein and his cronies? Are they also suspect?
January 17, 2014 at 11:01 AM
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PatColo
Deanna responds (
13th reply, no direct link) @ Mami's:
Pat Colo said...
Deanna: U said,
"At no time did I say that I accepted the government's views of this event."
The core of zion.gov's SH story is,
"[I believe that] on December 14 2012, twenty year old Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children, and 6 adult staff members, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Connecticut, [...] Before driving to the school, Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy, and as first responders arrived, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Friends and family attended the many funerals that were held. There were people that were killed. There were funerals."
^ Those are your words, beginning at 12:20 in the published MP3 version of your 15 January show. We can quibble over minutia perhaps, but that's the core of zion.gov's official Sandy-HookNosedHOAX fable, which you "accepted" above.
After flatly proclaiming your 'belief' in the quote above, you did not address the numerous problems with that belief; displaying the same tact as the TUT Glenn/Piper/Tillawi crew. Those problems include but aren't limited to:
http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/01/10...elaborate-hoax
At 29:00, you addressed a 'dissenting' chat message posted by one the the show-chat participants. You said:
" Somebody in the chat room just said, 'Deanna, I agree that they are covering for SSRIs, but there is more to it than just that. There is too much that just does not add up.'
I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. "
How can your
"I totally agree with you" response to that chat room participant, jibe with your flatly proclaimed 'beliefs' in your first quote above?
At 30:40, you took a brief detour from you Big Pharma focus, and you made a number of assertions about the Lanza family's gun obsession, a target range in their basement, Adam's fascination with mass school shootings, and more; but you very uncharacteristically didn't cite your source for these assertions. I was in the chat room as Anon xx17 (where I don't recall the 'xx'), and I asked what your source was for these assertions. You responded a few minutes later, with a text (not hyperlink) message citing a March '13 Je- I mean, New York Times article about the SH event. The title was something about "..Chilling Details.." but I don't recall exactly because I've long since closed the chatango window, and I'm not sure how to retrieve the chat from your 15 Jan show.
But it was disturbing that in this obviously pre-prepared script which you read for your 15 Jan show, that you opted not to
cite your source for those claims about the Lanzas on air for your listening audience-- claims which,
IF TRUE, would be so supportive of zion.gov's official SH story, and so damaging to SH skeptics. It was only in the chatango chat room, when asked directly, that you coughed up that your 'source' was the NEW YORK TIMES.
I could go on, but fact is, I put a good deal of work into this 'article' posted at my squalid little internet rat-hole:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...ndy-Hook-Story
where readers can read fuller transcribed quotes, blah blah.
I hope you're well Deanna-- seriously! :)
January 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PatColo
It was only in the chatango chat room, when asked directly, that you coughed up that your 'source' was the NEW YORK TIMES.
Why jews long ago took control of all our newspapers and teevee and most recently our internet.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Jewboo
Why jews long ago took control of all our newspapers and teevee and most recently our internet.
I don't think they have total control of the internet. They would like that, but the net is still semi-free. It may be that we will look back on these days and days gone by and see it as the 'wild west' of the internet. The internet is a battleground right now. We can win this. I don't know that there will be anything left after it is all over though. They seem to be exercising the Samson Option wether they win or not. Crazy bastards! Information is what it is all about. You need to give up your defeatist attitude. Maybe we should all just roll over and give up because the mighty Jews have won the field.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
woodman
You need to give up your defeatist attitude. Maybe we should all just roll over and give up because the mighty Jews have won the field.
:rolleyes:
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Deanna's done no less than 2 more (above/beyond the OP podcast) solo/monolog shows over the past week, where she recites prepared spiels seeking to 'prove' that SH was what zion.media.gov have told us. She's mostly focused on "the dangers of SSRIs". I haven't posted them here... I was feeling sort of bad about the whole ordeal. Deanna's weeping off & on in these shows, over "the SH tragedy". I actually sent her a nice "nothing personal..." em, and she wrote back a nice reply.
the first was this Jan 21 show on AFP radio:
The Spingola Zone
and the other was 2 days later on her RBN show:
Listen if you're curious-- problem with them IMHO is her reliance on zion.gov docs (death certs which no one has actually seen outside that little joo rag in joo york who got them through a FOIA request and then hoarded them; Social Sec. death records; joo rags like NYT) in making her case! As it is with 911, the perps have provided all the "evidence" she cites! 911 Whitewash Commish Report, anyone?
And re her citing the NYT as some sort of "credible source" wrt Sandy Hoax; at least a couple times she's had on as esteemed guest, Mike King of Tomatobubble.com, who publishes "The Anti-New York Times", a newsletter which deconstructs the slick/subtle propaganda MOs of the latest NYT headlines.
So with that ^ said, last night we had this more robust debate podcast, 2 hours:
Monday, January 27, 2014
DATE WITH A DEBATE: MIKE PIPER VS. JIM FETZER AND JOHN FRIEND
On Monday, January 27, 2014, at 8 p.m. ET, Dave Gahary moderates the debate many of us have been waiting for.
For two hours, Mike Piper takes on Jim Fetzer and John Friend, who tackle the controversy surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School event, which will address most or all of the points raised in the article “Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook was an Elaborate Hoax,” plus additional information which may cause you to reassess your position on whether what happened on December 14, 2012 was real or staged.
Jim has published an article on his debate with Keith Johnson and Mike has broadcast his thoughts about Jim, John and Sandy Hook.
Since John will be joining us approximately 30 minutes after the start of the show, we will begin by giving Jim a chance to respond to Mike’s broadcast and Mike to respond to Jim’s article, although neither is required to do so.
When John arrives, he will be allowed a 10 minute opening statement.
The debate will follow this format:
The moderator will ask questions to each participant where they will have no more than five minutes to present their argument and evidence. If less than the allotted time is used, it will be set aside for a less structured discussion towards the end. At the end of the debate, each participant will have no more than five minutes for their closing statement. Personal or unnecessary attacks will be met with the mute button.
A tamper-proof poll will be activated halfway through the debate allowing for only one vote per IP address. Obviously, it would make sense to cast your vote only after you are completely convinced. Don’t simply vote for one participant because you dislike the other; listen to their arguments. Please treat the vote as if you yourself were running for some sort of public office.
____________________________
Please go vote in the poll over at American Free Press. You can download the entire program here.
Here is the opening statement I prepared for this debate:
more, incl developing reader comments: http://www.john-friend.net/2014/01/d...er-vs-jim.html
See Mami's reader comments:
Date with a Debate: Mike Piper vs. Jim Fetzer and John Friend 2014.01.27
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
some post mortem, everyone proclaiming victory, what else is new?
Tuesday, January 28th, 2014 | Posted by Jim Fetzer
After two defeats over Sandy Hook, AFP editor declines a third debate
I won't link to TUT (where MCP hangs out) but they're crowing victory too, spewing ad homs, same old same old from TUT.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Fetzer show last Friday, 2 good guests:
Friday, January 24, 2014
Wolfgang Halbig / Sofia Smallstorm
^ MP3 link
A school security expert addresses Sandy Hook
Posted by Total at 11:41 PM 12 comments:
First hour guest Wolfgang.. is the subject of:
Retired Cop and Educator Threatened for Questioning Sandy Hook Investigation 265
Guest Posts, Interviews • Tags: gun control, police state, Sandy Hook Elementary
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...asT-oQsg3NZ059
By Wolfgang W. Halbig*
The correspondence below was sent by Wolfgang Halbig to Connecticut State Police Lieutenant J. Paul Vance and Newtown Police Chief Michael Kehoe on January 22, 2014. A retired Florida State Trooper, US Customs Inspector, school administrator, security consultant and entrepreneur, Mr. Halbig has independently researched the Sandy Hook Massacre for over one year.
More…
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Spingola & guest Keith Johnson today; both proclaim S.Hoax true-believerism (in zion.gov's story). Very telling how J.Fetzer calls in @ 55:00, Spingola quickly mutes him & gives KJ the a couple mins to make a solo spiel, then Spingola hangs up on JF. :(
Spingola Speaks 2014.02.05
Guest: Keith Johnson, a journalist at American Free Press. Kieth and Deanna talk about Sandy Hook
News Page
Deanna's site
Official chat room
Spingola Speaks .Info
Download
Uncle Fester calls in about 55 mins in, and Deanna and Kieth shut him up quick. Lol
Posted by Mami at 3:50 PM 1 comment:
ETA: 2nd comment from me @ Mami's comments:
Quote:
Pat Colo said...Another disappointing Spingola S.Hoax show!
Labeling Sofia's 911 Mysteries as "supporting the official story", based solely on D.Rather's "off-the-reservation" observation on 911 that #7 looked like a CD, was especially disingenuous & absurd! 911 Mysteries came out in '05, ~4 years after 911 when the official "pancake collapse due to intense heat" story was firmly established. CDs of 1, 2 & 7 is NOT the official story! :(
The Fetzer treatment beginning at 55:00 was VERY telling, too! KJ's shtick through the show was all ad-hom/ridicule, straw men & special pleading fallacies; but Fetzer calls in to protest, and Spingola scolds that she won't allow him to "attack her guest", and then hangs up on JF immediately after asking him a question, ?!? Given a chance to answer re JF's 'source' for his assertion, he might have cited the messageboard (IE Mami's) & "debate poll" comments, where the majority (dismissing obvious aleksa/etc type shills) have been overwhelmingly critical of the DS/TUT/etc crowd's (proclaimed...) SHoax position. No wonder she hung up on JF immediately after posing that question!
Problem with Spingola/TUT/etc's "case" IMHO is their reliance on zion.gov docs (death certs which no one has actually seen outside that little joo rag in joo york who got them through a FOIA request and then hoarded them; Social Sec. death records; joo rags like NYT) in making their case, over a year after the SH 'event' which has given the perps plenty of time to plug all the holes in their sloppy hoax! As it is with 911, the perps have provided all the "evidence" she cites! 911 Whitewash Commish Report, anyone?
And SpingolaCo's repeated declarations that "I never said I support .gov's official SH story...", I guess seeking to retain a shred-of-cred, rings hollow, when they never cite exactly which part(s) of .gov's story they have any problem with! In DS' 15 Jan show, 12:20:
" [...] I believe that on December 14 2012, twenty year old Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children, and 6 adult staff members, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Connecticut, which was founded in 1705, which had a population in 2012 of 28,042 people. Before driving to the school, Lanza shot and killed his mother Nancy, and as first responders arrived, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Friends and family attended the many funerals that were held. There were people that were killed. There were funerals. [...]"
"Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story "
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...ndy-Hook-Story
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Amanda
Hello Amanda and welcome!
How did you find your way here?
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Hi EE!
Thanks for the welcome!
I found my way here by following PatColo's comments over at Grizzom and John Friend's blog. He posted links to "Abandoning Support for Ugly Truth Podcasts" http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...l=1#post614081, and this thread, so I decided to join, since there was at least one person over here who sees things the way I do.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Amanda
Hi EE!
Thanks for the welcome!
I found my way here by following PatColo's comments over at Grizzom and John Friend's blog. He posted links to "Abandoning Support for Ugly Truth Podcasts"
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...l=1#post614081, and this thread, so I decided to join, since there was at least one person over here who sees things the way I do.
PatColo is a respected member here, so you should find others here that have your views.
This forum is not without it's problems, or arguements...but it's about as free speech as you'll find on the net.
I hope you manage to stick around, provide your insights and views from a ladies point.
One of our lady members, the great Mrs. Zap, is here help you hold your ground in what has mostly become a sausage fest. :)
Ximmy, another female member, is temporarily banned at the moment. She's a feisty one that doesn't take shit off anyone. We wouldn't want her any other way.
ImaCannin is our gardner extrordinaire and mini-farmer.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
not sure how you could confuse the video of a bus journey and the speaker as being the same person. I never once concluded that. It was clear to me that the voice was not taped while on that bus. The speaker is on the phone or something. It seems pretty clear to me. So the basis for the rebuke revolves predominately around the bus journey video.
Delphi for sure. Attempt to cast doubt on one aspect and then the rest is suspect. How does it work in court? Prove your adversary a liar on any one point and all of their "evidence" can be rejected. Seems to be the MO here.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
EE_
PatColo is a respected member here, so you should find others here that have your views.
I have little respect for PatMecca. How does he have the time to spam up this place with his long winded posts full of links to every crackpot on the web? Does he have a day job? Or is posting this crap his day job?
By the way, Pat, what's your culture and heritage?
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Olmstein
I have little respect for PatMecca. How does he have the time to spam up this place with his long winded posts full of links to every crackpot on the web? Does he have a day job? Or is posting this crap his day job?
By the way, Pat, what's your culture and heritage?
I'd say it is probably because you have not been participating.
Quote:
Join Date Apr 2010
Location The Grand Canyon
State
Posts 1,204
Thanks 10
Perhaps you are a needed counter balance to the information PC posts here. Time to get to it don't you think?
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Glass
Perhaps you are a needed counter balance to the information PC posts here. Time to get to it don't you think?
Good idea. Pat does a good job keeping track of what the Jews have been and still are up to. We need someone to keep and eye on the muslims and what they're up too.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Tumbleweed
Good idea. Pat does a good job keeping track of what the Jews have been and still are up to. We need someone to keep and eye on the muslims and what they're up too.
PatMecca does almost too good of a job keeping track of what the Jews are up to. It's pretty obvious that he's a Palestinian shill. Just keep that in mind when you read his posts.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Olmstein
It's pretty obvious that he's a Palestinian shill. Just keep that in mind when you read his posts.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Jewboo
I like the bacon, but not the dude holding it.
You know, book, you, PatMecca, and I have had this conversation about culture and heritage before. PatMecca refused to answer, IIRC, and you and I both copped to being WASPs.
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Amanda
Hi EE!
Thanks for the welcome!
I found my way here by following PatColo's comments over at Grizzom and John Friend's blog. He posted links to "Abandoning Support for Ugly Truth Podcasts"
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...l=1#post614081, and this thread, so I decided to join, since there was at least one person over here who sees things the way I do.
Thanks Amanda, & welcome. I posted this
can't open new GSUS accounts now? goes to DB Error page
when U advised you couldn't join. The admins didn't know; and we don't even know how long that DB error was the case. :( Been awhile since new members trickled in, though!
Ignore olmbergstein, he doesn't play well with others!
http://theuglytruth.files.wordpress....1/redneck1.jpg
latest spingola attempt to...
The Spingola Zone at AFP 2/18/2014
Unraveling Sofia Smallstorm's Video on Sandy Hook, Part 2
Show-page
American Free Press
Download
Posted by WHOOLI at 3:49 PM 6 comments:
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
DS's part 3. I didn't list to p2 above, nor most of p1. With p1 I just skipped through to find where she takes callers, coz I read somewhere that there were some good (opposing) callers. About mid-way through the 2nd hour, she takes a call from Wolfgang, subject of Thread: School Safety Expert Threatened for Questioning Sandy Hook fame. I don't expect to listen to parts 2 or 3; only read comments.
Feb 20 2014
Thursday, Deanna ~ Sandy Hook (3)
Deanna talked about her ongoing research into the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting and her critique of the video presentation given by Sophia Smallstorm regarding what may or may not have happened in Newtown, Connecticut on December 14, 2012. (MP3)
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Okay, I'm still new here and can't figure how to put what others said into a quote box to respond to, so I'm just going to be informal about it
@PatColo- thanks for the welcome, and I think I was actually unable to sign up here for several months--it was just luck that I spotted you in the chatbox at grizzom. Thanks for posting Deanna's critiques to Sofia's film. I haven't listened to any of the audios, but heard the callers to part 1 were pretty good, including a call from Kelly from Tulsa (the one who called Lt. Vance and asked him "who cleaned up the blood" at SH, to which he replied "what blood?"--LOL)
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
^ Sounds like you read what I read, though I don't recall where I read it. I can't say I recall hearing a call from "Kelly in Tulsa"-- if you listen to the last ~1/2 of the show where she takes calls, could you post the minute-mark where Kelly calls? TIA!
The call from Wolfgang- sorry didn't note the minute mark, was VG. Obviously shook Deanna up. It was followed by a Deanna fanboy caller who only remarked how "rude" Wolfgang was, how dare he yada yada, when the polar opposite was conspicuously the case! It was the textbook old joo MO: FLIP THE SCRIPT AND PROJECT! Here's the 1st show she did,
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Deanna''s XXth show devoted to supporting .gov's official SHoax narrative:
I don't expect to listen ^; as my "patience" for this "debate" has worn thin :(. I'll give blogger "fauxcapitalist" the benefit of the doubt that this summary is accurate,
Quote:
FauxCapitalist said...Deanna was all substance in this show about SH.
She made an important critique of Sofia Smallstorm's presentation, and I have made some notes.
However, I still find Robbie Parker's reaction suspicious, and why is the girl on Obama's lap wearing the same dress as the allegedly dead child, Emilie Parker, with her hair parted in the same way, and what can we really know about Adam Lanza when he allegedly killed his own mother and destroyed his own computer, and they still posit no motive?
22m - Said Smallstorm used 12 of Fetzer's 14 points about SH in the jan 2013 vt article, said what a coincidence -- it's almost like they were working with each other
25m - Said Mike Powers, who appeared on joyce riley's show in january 2013, is a fraud
33m - Flattery to sell Smallstorm's documentary
said she fell for flattery of joining Scholars for 9/11 Truth, because who wouldn't want to be a scholar
35m - Called it a ploy for Fetzer to call the group Scholars for 9/11 Truth
37m - Misleading audio from Smallstorm's video
39m - Someone in video is Mark S. Mann -- marksman?
44m - Fake bus driver video when flowers are in full bloom saying he saw no crime scene footage?
46m - It's normal not to see crime footage
47m - She claims there's no christmas decorations when there were
49m - She said Sandy Hook never has been about 2nd amendment rights
1h13m - Looped video of the same people going in and out of the school, because of silver car moving around
- Questioned whether Smallstorm and Klein were so negligent or they thought the majority of truth seekers were too gullible -- said shame on them
1h15m - Claim that Christmas trees just happened to be there to mark deaths of children, firefighter said they had been doing that for 13 years -- she called it pathetic research
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
I've been having an interesting, ongoing dialog with Spingola in the Mami's comments for the podcast above (reply 37).
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blo...33661382763428
I've been disappointed by a couple of the "joowey rhetorical manipulation gambits" she's employed, reminiscent of her attempt to label Sofia's "911 Mysteries" video as supporting zion.gov's Official 911 CT (see reply 21 above).
In her February 22, 2014 at 12:26 PM reply, she mischaracterized Prof. Tracy's current opinion of whether or not people died at SH, saying, "I do believe that people died at SH as does Dr. James Tracy, according to his blog. " -- which I deconstruct in later replies, and she kindly conceded her error. :)
Now in her latest February 23, 2014 at 6:19 PM reply, she actually preemptively smears SH Truth investigator Wolfgang Halbig as a (potential) lying joo, based on his police home visits story which she can't independently verify from behind her computer in the suburbs of Chicago, !??! :(
Quote:
Deanna said...
I have searched for any indication that Halbig is a nationally-recognized school security expert. The only "proof" seems to come from him. In the 1990s, he was the director of security for Seminole County, Florida schools. The only reference I find relative to Columbine is what he has said. See: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/halbig He was apparently a Florida State Trooper long before he became a volley ball coach. That was in 1988: Before that, he was the head girl’s soccer coach at Lake Brantley in 1987 and then added the task of girls volleyball.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...wer-volleyball
I am very dubious about his claims of the local police coming to his house. Jewish people do make such claims; they love being victims as it brings them so much attention. It certainly seems to have worked for him.
February 23, 2014 at 6:19 PM
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PatColo
Still afraid to answer the question Pat? It's very simple, "What's your culture and heritage?"
Mine is Scottish, English, and Dutch, Protestant.
Go bow down to your "prophet". Idiot
http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content...d98d2eb6_o.jpg
-
Re: Spingola Jumps Shark, Supports Zion.gov's Official Sandy Hook Story
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Tumbleweed
Good idea. Pat does a good job keeping track of what the Jews have been and still are up to. We need someone to keep and eye on the muslims and what they're up too.
And what are the Muslims up to besides getting blamed for 911 and having their home countries invaded?
The only "Anti-Muslim" nonsense is that from jews which claim that Obama is a muslim and similary outlandish claims like for instance how they are building a mosque at ground zero and how the Muslims are all powerful and able to do all this in spite of the clown in the white house being put there by Jews and 911 being done on behalf of international jewry.
