The Movie Compliance

One of my major interests is examining why people obey authority. One of my major sources of information on this issue is from the Milgram Experiments in the 1960s. I recently watched a movie called Compliance that deals with this subject and does an excellent job of dramatizing the awe that people have for authority.

It is a story about the manager of a fast food restaurant who gets a call from someone claiming to be a cop who says that one of the restaurant's employees stole money from a customer's purse while it was sitting on the counter. The employee accused is a young teenage girl, and the manager is instructed to detain the employee until the police arrive, and to follow all other instructions the cop on the phone gives her. Everyone does what they are told to do on the authority of the cop on the phone. No one questions this authority. Here is a link to the plot synopsis on IMDB:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1971352/...ef_=tt_stry_pl

Here's the official trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdONydDX44I#t=2

I think this movie beautifully summarizes and portrays the core problem in American culture: unquestioning obedience to authority. People don't see it as a problem--it is just a cultural norm. When authority speaks, we are all commanded to stop thinking and to obey. It's what's behind all the cop shootings of innocent people, and essentially most of the evil we see in our society. Our laws and our criminal justice system encourage such a culture. Just think of what will happen if you don't obey a cop.

I also ran into an interesting article by Henry Makow about the movie here:


http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/Why-Do...Authority.html

I would encourage everybody here to watch this movie.


Hatha

this happen here in ky . true

Strip-Search Case Victim Awarded $6.1 Million

Oct. 5, 2006






It was the shocking story — and unbelievable surveillance video — that riveted the nation. Today a jury in Bullitt County, Ky., awarded Louise Ogborn $5 million in punitive damages and $1.1 million in compensatory damages and expenses.
In 2004, Ogborn, then an 18-year-old McDonald's employee, was humiliated and forced to strip and then perform a sexual act in the back office during her workday.
This horrifying ordeal changed Ogborn's life forever and put McDonald's on trial for its alleged failure to warn employees that a hoax caller was on the loose. Ogborn was seeking $200 million in damages in the closely watched civil trial that concluded today.
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Watch the story tonight on "20/20" at 10 p.m. EDT.
Ogborn was always willing to take on extra shifts at McDonald's in Mount Washington, Ky. Ogborn's mother had health problems and had recently lost her job, so the 18-year-old did whatever she could to help make ends meet.
On April 9, 2004, Ogborn offered to work through the restaurant's evening rush, trying to be helpful and make a few extra dollars.
"I was just going to eat and then clock back in and help until somebody else came along that could help," she said.
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But Ogborn couldn't have known that her noble gesture would turn into a terrifying ordeal that she says will haunt her for the rest of her life.A Startling Accusation

Ogborn was called into assistant manager Donna Summers' cramped office and told that Summers was on the telephone with a police officer.
"She said, 'Here she is. This is the girl you described,'" said Ogborn. "She told me to shut the door."
Summers told Ogborn that the officer on the phone had their store manager on the other line and that he had described her and accused her of stealing a purse from a customer.
"I was like, 'Donna, I've never done anything wrong,'" Ogborn said. "I could never steal — I could never do anything like that. I don't have it in me."
But inside the back office, which had now become an "interrogation room," Ogborn's protests fell on deaf ears.
"She said, 'Well, they said it was a little girl that looked like you in a McDonald's uniform, so it had to be you.'"
It was Ogborn's word against the accusation of a man claiming to be a cop, and she was given a choice: submit to a search or be escorted to the police station.
Listening to 'the Voice'

Ogborn was told to empty her pockets and surrender her car keys and cell phone, which she did. Then the caller demanded that Summers have Ogborn remove her clothes — even her underwear — leaving her with just a small, dirty apron to cover her naked body.
Summers says she never second-guessed what she was being asked to do, as she firmly believed the person she was talking to was a police officer. Ogborn says she trusted her manager to do what was right.
Because it was a busy Friday night, Summers had to leave the office to check on the restaurant. The man on the phone demanded that another employee be left to watch Ogborn until the police arrived and Summers chose 27-year-old Jason Bradley.
"He [Bradley] takes the phone and they're telling him to have me do certain things and drop the apron," she said. "He wouldn't have any part of it."
Bradley walked out in disgust, leaving Summers with no one to watch Ogborn. Then the caller made an odd request, asking Summers to call her fiancé to have him watch the girl.
Summers says she did as she was told. Page

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Strip search phone call scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_s...hone_call_scam

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The strip search phone call scam is a series of incidents that extended over a period of about ten years before an arrest was made in 2004. The incidents involved a man calling a restaurant or grocery store, claiming to be a police officer and then convincing managers to conduct strip searches of female employees and to perform other bizarre acts on behalf of "the police". The calls were most often placed to fast-food restaurants in small towns located in rural areas.
Over 70 such occurrences were reported in 30 U.S. states until an incident in 2004 in Mount Washington, Kentucky (population 9,117), finally led to the arrest of David R. Stewart, a 37‑year-old employee of Corrections Corporation of America, a firm contracted by several states (including Louisiana^[1] and Texas^[2]) to provide corrections officers at private detention facilities.
On October 31, 2006, Stewart was acquitted of all charges in the Mount Washington case. He is suspected of having made other, similar scam calls.^[3][4]
Contents

• 1 Before the Mount Washington scam
• 2 The Mount Washington scam
  
  • 2.1 Investigation, arrest, and trial
  • 2.2 Aftermath
  • 2.3 Civil trial
  • 2.4 Media depiction
  
  
• 3 See also
• 4 References
• 5 Bibliography
• 6 External links

Before the Mount Washington scam

There were numerous prior incidents in many states which followed the pattern of the fraudulent call to a McDonald's restaurant in Mount Washington, Kentucky. Most of the calls were made to fast-food restaurants, but a few were made to grocery stores.
A caller who identified himself as a police officer or other authority figure would contact a manager or supervisor and would solicit their help in detaining a female employee who was suspected of a crime. He would provide a description of the suspect, which the manager would recognize, and he would then ask the manager to search the suspected woman.
Some notable incidents were:

• Two calls were reported in 1992: one in Devils Lake, North Dakota, and another in Fallon, Nevada.^[3]

• On November 30, 2000, a female McDonald's manager in Leitchfield, Kentucky, undressed herself in the presence of a customer. The caller had convinced her that the customer was a "suspected sex offender" and that the manager, serving as bait, would enable undercover police officers to arrest him.^[3]

• On January 26, 2003, an Applebee's assistant manager subjected a waitress to a 90-minute strip search after receiving a collect call from someone who purported to be a regional manager for Applebee's.^[3]

• In February 2003, a call was made to a McDonald's in Hinesville, Georgia. The female manager (who believed she was speaking to a police officer who was with the director of operations for the restaurant's upper management) took a 19‑year-old female employee into the women's bathroom and strip-searched her. She also brought in a 55‑year-old male employee, who conducted a body cavity search of the woman to "uncover hidden drugs." McDonald's and the GWD Management Corporation were taken to court over the incident. In 2005, U.S. District Judge John F. Nangle granted a summary judgment to McDonald's and denied, in part, a summary judgment to GWD Management.^[5] In 2006, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the judgments.^[6]

• On June 3, 2003, a Taco Bell manager in Juneau, Alaska, undressed a 14‑year-old female customer and forced her to perform lewd acts^{[clarification needed]} at the request of a caller who had claimed he was working with Taco Bell management to investigate drug abuse.^{[citation needed]}

• In July 2003, a 36‑year-old Winn-Dixie grocery store manager in Panama City, Florida, received a call instructing him to bring a 19‑year-old female cashier (who matched a description provided by the caller) into an office where she was to be strip-searched. The cashier was forced to undress and pose in various positions as part of the search. The incident ended when another manager entered the office to retrieve a set of keys.^[7]

• In March 2004, a 17‑year-old female customer at a Taco Bell in Fountain Hills, Arizona, was strip-searched by a manager who had received a call from a man claiming to be a police officer.^[8]

The Mount Washington scam

On April 9, 2004, a call was made to a McDonald's restaurant in Mount Washington, Kentucky. According to assistant manager Donna Summers, the caller identified himself as a policeman, "officer Scott." The caller gave Summers a vague description of a slightly-built young white woman with dark hair, who was suspected of theft.
Summers believed the description provided was that of Louise Ogborn, a woman who was currently on duty at the restaurant. Ogborn had just turned 18 years of age.
The "police officer" demanded that Ogborn be searched at the restaurant because no officers were available at the moment to handle such a minor matter. Ogborn was brought into an office and ordered to remove her clothes, which Summers then placed in a bag and took to her car, as instructed. Ogborn then put on an apron to partially cover herself. Kim Dockery, another assistant manager,^[4] was present at that time; Dockery believed she was there as a witness to the search.
Dockery left after an hour, and Summers told the caller that she needed to be working at the restaurant's counter. The caller then told Summers to bring in someone whom she trusted to assist with the investigation.^[3]
Summers first asked Jason Bradley, one of the restaurant's cooks, to watch Ogborn. When the caller ordered Bradley to remove Ogborn's apron and describe her, Bradley refused but did not attempt to call the police.
Summers then called her fiancé, Walter Nix Jr., who went to the restaurant and took over from Summers. After being told that a police officer was on the phone, Nix obeyed the caller's instructions for the next two hours.
Nix removed the apron that Ogborn was wearing and ordered her to dance and perform jumping jacks while she was naked. Nix then ordered her to insert her fingers into her vagina and expose it to him as part of the "search." He also ordered her to sit on his lap and kiss him, and when she refused to do so he spanked her until she promised to do it. The caller also spoke to Ogborn and demanded that she do as she was told or face worse punishment. Recalling the incident later, Ogborn said that, "I was scared for my life."
After Ogborn had been in the office for two and a half hours, she was ordered to perform oral sex on Nix.
Summers returned to the office periodically, and during these times Ogborn was instructed by the caller to cover herself up with the apron. Nix became uneasy about what was happening. The caller then permitted him to leave on condition that Summers had to find someone to replace him. After Nix left, he called a friend and told him, "I have done something terribly bad."^[3]
With Nix having left, and short on staff due to the dinnertime rush, Summers needed someone to replace him in the office. She spotted Thomas Simms, the restaurant's maintenance man, who had stopped in at the restaurant for dessert. She told Simms to go into the office and watch Ogborn.
Simms, however, refused to go along with the caller's demands. At this point, Summers became suspicious and decided to call a higher-level manager (whom the caller had earlier claimed to have been speaking to on another phone line).
Speaking with her boss, Summers discovered that he had been sleeping and had not spoken to any police officer. She realized that the call had been fraudulent. The caller then abruptly ended the call. An employee dialled *69 before another call could ring in, thus obtaining the number of the caller's telephone.
Summers was now hysterical and began apologizing. Ogborn (shivering and wrapped in a blanket) was released from the office after three and a half hours. The police were called to the restaurant; they arrested Nix on a charge of sexual assault and began an investigation to find the perpetrator of the scam call.
The entire incident was recorded by a surveillance camera in the office. Summers watched the tape later that night and, according to her attorney, broke off her engagement with Nix.^[3]
Investigation, arrest, and trial

Mount Washington police, after doing a simple word search on the Internet, quickly realized that this was only the latest in a long series of similar incidents that extended over a period of about ten years. None of those incidents had continued as long, or with as many people involved, as the one in the Mount Washington McDonald's.
Although their initial suspicion was that the call had originated from a pay phone near the McDonald's restaurant (from which the perpetrator could see both the police station and the restaurant), police later determined that the call originated from a supermarket pay phone in Panama City, Florida. Having learned that the call was made with an AT&T phone card and that the largest retailer of such cards was Walmart, they contacted the police in Panama City.
The Panama City police informed the Mount Washington police that detective Flaherty in Massachusetts was already conducting an investigation. Several similar scam calls had been placed to Boston-area restaurants, and Flaherty had already pulled surveillance camera footage from a Walmart in Panama City.
Following Flaherty's lead, the Mount Washington police used the serial number of the phone card to find out that it had been purchased from a different Walmart than the Walmart which sold the card used for calls to Massachusetts restaurants.
Using the records of the Panama City Walmart, which showed them the cash register and the time of purchase of the phone card, Mount Washington police were able to find surveillance camera footage of the purchaser of the card. The Massachusetts investigation had gone cold when their surveillance video failed to show the purchaser — the cameras had been trained on the store's parking lot and not on the cash registers.^[9]
The purchaser in the Panama City video was wearing a correctional officer's uniform of the kind used by Corrections Corporation of America, a private security firm. Videos and still photographs from the two Walmarts were compared, and the same man was seen entering and exiting the Massachusetts Walmart at the time when a phone card was purchased there. Police used these images to produce front-and-back composite images of the suspect. Subsequent queries directed to the private security firm's human resources department led to the identification of the phone card buyer as David R. Stewart, a married man with five children. Stewart was then arrested.
Stewart was extradited to Kentucky to be tried on charges of impersonating a police officer and solicitation of sodomy. On October 31, 2006, he was acquitted of all charges. Both the defense and the prosecution attorneys stated that a lack of direct evidence may have affected the jury's decision to find him not guilty.^[10]
During his questioning by police, Stewart insisted he had never bought a phone card, but detectives found one in his home that had been used to call nine restaurants in the past year, including a call to a Burger King in Idaho Falls, Idaho, on the same day when the Burger King's manager was reportedly duped by a scam call.
Police also found in Stewart's home dozens of applications for police department jobs, hundreds of police magazines, and police-style uniforms, guns, and holsters. This was thought to indicate that the suspect had fantasized about being a police officer.^[3]
Police have stated that since Stewart's arrest the scam calls have stopped.^[11] He remains a suspect in similar cases throughout the United States.^[10]
Aftermath

Louise Ogborn, the victim, underwent therapy and medication to address post-traumatic stress disorder depression. She abandoned her plans to attend the University of Louisville, where she had anticipated becoming a pre-med student. In an interview with ABC News, she said that after her abuse she "felt dirty" and had difficulty making and maintaining friendships because she wouldn't "allow anyone to get too close to her".
Donna Summers ended her engagement with Nix soon after the incident. She was fired from McDonald's for violating corporate policies prohibiting strip-searches and prohibiting anyone not employed by McDonald's from entering the restaurant's office.^[4] She entered an Alford plea to a charge of unlawful imprisonment (a misdemeanor) and received one year of probation. She was not charged with any sex-related crime.^[12]
Kim Dockery was transferred to another location.
Nix, remorseful for his part in the incident, pleaded guilty to sexual abuse and other crimes in February 2006 in exchange for his testimony against Stewart. Because he was the principal perpetrator of the beating and had engaged in the sex act, he received a five-year prison sentence.^[10]
Civil trial

Three years after the incident, still undergoing therapy, Louise Ogborn sued McDonald's for $200 million for failing to protect her during her ordeal. Her grounds for the suit were:

• that McDonald's corporate headquarters were aware of the danger of a possible hoax because they had defended themselves against lawsuits over similar incidents at their restaurants in four other states

• that McDonald's had been subjected to similar hoaxes at least two years before the Mount Washington incident and they had not taken appropriate action, as directed by their own chief of security and as outlined in his memo to McDonald's upper management^[12]

Donna Summers also sued McDonald's, asking for $50 million, for failing to warn her about the previous hoaxes.^[4]
McDonald's based their defense on four points:
(1) Summers deviated from the company's management manual, which prohibits strip-searches, and therefore McDonald's should not be held responsible for any action of Summers outside the scope of her employment;
(2) workers' compensation law prohibited employees from suing their employer;
(3) Nix, who actually performed the acts, was not a McDonald's employee; and
(4) the victim did not remove herself from the situation, contrary to common sense.^[3]
The civil trial began September 10, 2007 and ended October 5, 2007, when a jury awarded Ogborn $5 million in punitive damages and $1.1 million in compensatory damages and expenses.
Summers was awarded $1 million in punitive damages and $100,000 in compensatory damages.^[13]
The jury decided that McDonald's and the unnamed caller were each 50 percent at fault for the abuse to which the victim was subjected.^[14] McDonald's and their attorneys were sanctioned for withholding evidence pertinent to the outcome of the trial.^[15]
In November 2008, McDonald's was also ordered to pay $2.4 million in legal fees to plaintiffs' lawyers.^[16]
On November 20, 2009, the Kentucky Court of Appeals upheld the jury's verdict but reduced the punitive damages award to Summers to $400,000.^[17] McDonald's then appealed to the Kentucky Supreme Court. While their petition was pending in 2010, Ogborn settled with McDonald's for $1.1 million and abandoned her claim for punitive damages.^[18]
After the court decisions, McDonald's revised their manager-training program to emphasize awareness of scam phone calls and protection of employees' rights.^[10] Although their training program had already included these topics, none of the McDonald's employees involved in the Mount Washington scam were able to recall much about them.
Media depiction

The Mount Washington McDonald's scam inspired an episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, which featured Robin Williams as the caller, who identified himself in the show as "detective Milgram." This was a reference to the famous Milgram experiment, which studied obedience to authority.
These incidents also inspired the 2012 feature film Compliance, directed by Craig Zobel,^[19] and the short film Plainview,^[20] which played the festival circuit in 2007-2008

Just watched this tonight, I can't believe these people were so naive. WHen do you just say enough is enough? Don't matter who you were being a part of it, if you can't see anything is wrong then you have some serious issues.

They are getting today's new generation to obey the "law" tomorrow, they are telling the kids that guns is bad, bad, bad and to never even think of owning one.......remember that the Zionst don't think like many and that their plans are for fifty or one hundred years into the future.

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They are getting today's new generation to obey the "law" tomorrow, they are telling the kids that guns is bad, bad, bad and to never even think of owning one.......remember that the Zionst don't think like many and that their plans are for fifty or one hundred years into the future.

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Good thing you watched the movie and really know what is going on in this subject.

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That goy that spanked the girl, which she pretty much allowed, then rewarded the guy with a blowjob... why does he get 5 years again?

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Good thing you watched the movie and really know what is going on in this subject.

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Cebu?, no I did not watched the movie........I simply write about what I see and hear in the WWW and around me and specially what I feel is happening or will happen..........I read the new from around the world and not only the lies from the USA.

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Just watched this tonight, I can't believe these people were so naive. WHen do you just say enough is enough? Don't matter who you were being a part of it, if you can't see anything is wrong then you have some serious issues.

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Stanley Milgram's experiments in the 60's had people dishing out electric shocks to strangers when told to do so by the "authorities". The person receiving the shocks was an actor, unbeknownst to the subject. The actor would cry out in pain, beg and plead for relief, and even pretend to go unconscious over the pain. But the subjects would continue to shock the actor, because a man in a white lab coat ordered them to.

It's absolutely disturbing how accomodative the average person is to imagined authority.

I'm not generally very accomodating to authority. They would have to do me some grave bodily harm before I migh consider doing what they want of me. As for authority over the telephone, that is a complete joke. I've generalized a rule about granting requests over the phone. If the request comes from someone whom I don't know (a complete stranger) any request is countered by a refusal, regardless what the stranger says is the payoff. As for requests from people I do know personally, it all depends on my relationship with them. If people want my cooperation, they have to establish a personal relationship with me. And in all cases, if they want me to do harm to a third person, I will refuse. I am not a conduit for other people's authority. They will find out if they try to channel it through me it will get short circuited. The general principle I am dealing with here is Do no harm.


Hatha

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I think this movie beautifully summarizes and portrays the core problem in American culture: unquestioning obedience to authority.

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Jew Hollywood IS our culture and it ain't about obeying social authority.

If you read Milgrams book he wrote after these experiments he really gets into how deep this belief goes, its astonishing. The experiment only stopped because i think his girlfriend came by to check it out. She apparently flipped out when she saw what was going on, and made him put an end to it.

99% of people live every single day using voluntary transactions to get what they need. Most people arent kidnapping a guys daughter and asking for a job in order to return her. Most people arent using violence as their first option to get a hamburger at Wendy's. Almost everyone totally understands this and uses the NAP in their everyday lives.

But when it comes to this one single belief system, one superstition, one mythology, people totally throw away their own free will and conscience, and blindly obey their perceived 'Authority' figure. Its amazing to study its effects.

And this is the key because without this one cult belief, almost all of the worlds greatest atrocities, the greatest plunder, death and enslavement would have been avoided, disobeyed and resisted.


JewBookJew tries to point to the thug culture and general degradation as the source of the problems, then tries to throw the word 'social' before 'authority' ..lol Is there some 'social' Police i dont know about? Can they lock me in a cage for not being 'social' enough? LOL

What you point to is the symptom to the problem. But you already know that, your here to drift real debate into the waters of nothingness. All of the stuff you pointed to was a result of 'Government' in many different forms from the entire money system to media/entertainment controlled MONOPOLIES. Without those key controls, there is no central power to control.

You keep cutting at those branches.....Just remember there will always be a small minority of people who are willing to hack away at the root. As painful as it may be for people like you.

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"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of Evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau

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" Walden Pond was a pleasant walk to his family home, where he lived for almost his entire life. During his famous experiment in his cabin at Walden, moralizing about his solitude, he did not mention that he brought his mother his dirty laundry and went on enjoying her apple pies. His friend William Ellery Channing wrote that, after his graduation from Harvard at the age of twenty, when his mother broached the subject of his leaving home, Thoreau became weepy--and didn't leave." -http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7113.html

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