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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by midnight rambler View Post
    I think Anna is full of shit since anyone who works the commerce side is full of shit.
    How does Anna work the commerce side?

    What is the commerce side?

    As far as I can see Anna works the private side.

    Anna's latest blurb

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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by midnight rambler View Post
    I think Anna is full of shit since anyone who works the commerce side is full of shit.

    I think you are throwing shit against the wall and hoping not to get it all over you. LOL

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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjon View Post
    Our interface with the govt is through their contract courts. If you have no contract, they have no case.

    Basically those govt courts are not our courts. IF you have established yourself as a state national and shed all the USA INC contracts they leave you alone.

    But most have not done that and then complain when they are hauled into court because they do have a Drivers License.

    Richard McDonald says they obey their law.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzWF8f-R9U

    By applying for a drivers license, a bank account, a voter registration, automobile registration, a passport, a social securuty account, or any other document you signed declaring you to be a U.S. Citizen you are in commerce. You must apply to get into the commercial plane.

    27 CFR § 72.11 - Meaning of terms.

    Commercial crimes. Any of the following types of crimes (Federal or State): Offenses against the revenue laws; burglary; counterfeiting; forgery; kidnapping; larceny; robbery; illegal sale or possession of deadly weapons; prostitution (including soliciting, procuring, pandering, white slaving, keeping house of ill fame, and like offenses); extortion; swindling and confidence games; and attempting to commit, conspiring to commit, or compounding any of the foregoing crimes. Addiction to narcotic drugs and use of marihuana will be treated as if such were commercial crime.
    https://constitutionalmilitia.org/
    "A well regulated Militia being NECESSARY to the security of a free State"

    "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the most Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." July 4, 1776

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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by monty View Post
    By applying for a drivers license, a bank account, a voter registration, automobile registration, a passport, a social securuty account, or any other document you signed declaring you to be a U.S. Citizen you are in commerce. You must apply to get into the commercial plane.

    27 CFR § 72.11 - Meaning of terms.


    Commercial crimes. Any of the following types of crimes (Federal or State): Offenses against the revenue laws; burglary; counterfeiting; forgery; kidnapping; larceny; robbery; illegal sale or possession of deadly weapons; prostitution (including soliciting, procuring, pandering, white slaving, keeping house of ill fame, and like offenses); extortion; swindling and confidence games; and attempting to commit, conspiring to commit, or compounding any of the foregoing crimes. Addiction to narcotic drugs and use of marihuana will be treated as if such were commercial crime.

    Well I take exception to your contention about the passport, as it's about the only place where being a State National shows up as an option.
    You can get a passport and not be a US CITIZEN.

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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Anna von Reitz
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    Why What We Are Doing Is Different

    Those of us who have "been around a while" have seen a lot of various patriot efforts come and go, and now, despite my best efforts to not further dilute my time and energy with organizing efforts, I find myself at the forefront of exactly such an effort.

    It behooves me to say why what we are gathering together to do is different from what Tim Turner attempted with RuSA and different from what Destry turned out to represent with National Assembly:

    1. We are acting in our birthright capacity as State Nationals and State Citizens belonging to the land and soil of our respective States of the Union. We understand that doing this requires us to leave behind and expatriate from any other citizenship obligations real or imagined.

    They continued/are continuing to act in the capacity of some form of "US Citizen" -- which is a political status foreign to our States.

    2. We are acting as Lawful Persons known as People They are acting as Legal Persons known as Individuals -- a form of Stateless Foreign Situs Trust.

    3. We are intent on peacefully assembling our actual soil and land jurisdiction states/States. This is our inherent and guaranteed right to do as American State Nationals and American State Citizens.

    They are/were intent on setting up competing "States of State", apparently to overturn existing Territorial and/or Municipal States of State, but as "US Citizens" they are not competent to set up a State of State of any kind and can be considered in rebellion if they attempt to do so. This leads to them being arrested and charged and jailed with great regularity.

    4. We are standing on the solid ground of our own country as heirs of every treaty, every trust, every commercial contract owed to us by the British Monarch and the Popes/Pontiffs, including the actual Constitutions.

    They are standing on the decks of legal fiction "vessels" cut off from the jurisdiction of the land, and subject instead to the jurisdiction of the sea (Queen) and the jurisdiction of the air (Pope). As Stateless Foreign Situs Trusts in the international jurisdiction of the sea ("individuals") they are prey to the Queen's Privateers. As Foreign Municipal Franchises of the Holy Roman Empire, they are slaves and paupers of the Puerto Rican Commonwealth, which still functions under Spanish Law of the Inquisition.

    5. Those of us acting as "People", that is, as State Citizens of our respective States of the Union, can claim and enforce the provisions of all three (3) original Constitutions.

    They are acting as "US Citizens" of some form or other, and "US Citizens" of any stripe are not party to the Constitutions and cannot enforce them or claim any guarantees or protections under the Constitutions.

    6. We, the People of the States of the Union, are the recognized Employers of the various groups of "US Citizens" on our shores; they owe us duty and Good Faith Service at all times. Both the Queen and the Pope owe us proper administration of their services and management of their personnel on our shores.

    They, those operating as "US Citizens" either Territorial or Municipal, are the Employees in receipt of labor contracts and benefits obligating them to serve us. As Territorial level employees they are subject, ultimately, to the Queen-- via the President of the United States of America and as Municipal employees, they are subject to the Holy Roman Empire and its official hierarchy through the President of the United States.

    7. We have retired and expatriated from any citizenship obligations owed or presumed to be owed to the Queen or the Pope. We have "returned" home to our lawful domain and stand as Lawful Persons on the land and soil of our States. No valid complaint can be brought against us for any "failure to perform" any duty related to any federal franchise or person. We stand under the Public Law.

    Those willfully acting as "US Citizens" remain in a active duty status as "volunteers" of various kinds including unpaid work as "Withholding Agents" (British Merchant Marine Warrant Officers), Territorial or Municipal "Bankers", "Motor Vehicle Operators", and so on. They can be held in dereliction of duty and arrested, fined, or jailed for any Federal Territorial or Municipal Code Violation and are naturally subject to this form of Private Law imposed by both the parent corporations and their local State of State franchises.

    8. We have seized control of our Trade Names and any Derivative NAMES associated with us and have permanently domiciled all these "persons" on the land and soil of our States, thereby re-flagging them as belonging to Lawful Persons and as American State Vessels engaged in peaceful international trade and commerce. As a result, all the Names/NAMES associated with us function under Public Law and they are all owed all the guarantees and treaties and exemptions owed to American State Vessels when engaged in international trade or commerce.

    They have not taken responsibility for establishing and claiming their permanent homestead on American State soil, nor have they identified themselves as people adopting their Lawful Person status; as a result, they and the various franchise names attached to them remain "at sea" as Legal Persons of indefinite origin and merely "presumed" to be US Citizens.

    9. We and our ancestors have been at peace for various lengths of time. Some of us have been at peace since 1783, some since 1814, some since 1865 --- but all of us are officially at peace and have been at peace for a long time. We are officially owed The Law of Peace by the U.S. Military as is admitted by their own Regulations: AR27- 1 -161. As Employers of the U.S. Military we are immune from attack or reproach.

    They, the "US Citizens" both Territorial and Municipal, have been at war continuously since 1860 and they remain at war and continue to operate under conditions of false emergency and via Executive Orders. This is why they have a cops and robbers mentality, adopt noms de guerre, and reduce everything to spy stories and thrillers. This is also why they may be subject to 14th Amendment Territorial Citizenship and subjected as both slaves and criminals.

    10. We have surrendered any Municipal PERSONS issued in our names back to the Secretary of the US Treasury, and have named him as the Fiduciary Officer responsible for these PERSONS. We cannot be accused of having any further responsibility with respect to these Municipal PERSONS, nor can we be accused of harming them. We have properly discharged any duty that we ever had or were presumed to have.

    They have retained these Municipal PERSONS and have not changed their domicile and not returned them to the Secretary of the US Treasury, with the result that they are still "individually liable" and responsible for any debts or crimes associated with these PERSONS.

    11. We have established indemnity bonds for each of our States with the United States Treasury allowing us to engage freely in international trade or commerce, indemnifying our shipping, and preserving our States from any loss of assets.

    They have not, with the result that they are continuing in possession of derelict foreign registered Vessels that have not been re-venued as American Vessels, and acting without any sovereign indemnity bonds in place. This places them in an illegal status as presumed pirates or smugglers, subject to arrest.

    12. We have established international and global claims to and liens upon our assets including our re-venued American State Persons/PERSONS and have published them timely for the benefit of all the American States and The United States and The United States of America.

    They, the "US Citizens" among us, have not made the effort to reclaim their birthright political status, so have no claim to the assets of their birthright and no direct voice in determining the future of this country going forward. This is not our fault or doing or wish for them.


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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjon View Post
    Well I take exception to your contention about the passport, as it's about the only place where being a State National shows up as an option.
    You can get a passport and not be a US CITIZEN.
    That could be true. Years ago the passport was an American Citizen passport. I need to do more research to verify this.
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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by monty View Post
    That could be true. Years ago the passport was an American Citizen passport. I need to do more research to verify this.
    In the video by McDonald, he said all the States issued passports from their own offices until the early 50's and then the function was turned over to the Federal govt.

    The only explanation seems to be "Can you say JEWS"?

    Under the Roosevelt administration during WWII those troop ships returned filled with Jews who then walked into Fed govt jobs and University positions. All the better to continue the Jewish takeover.

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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

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    For All The State Jural Assemblies - 41 Who Owns What

    So who owns what and how does the power of the American Government flow?

    All the ultimate power is vested in the living people.

    The people own and control the soil and operate the soil jurisdiction republican states via organizations like The Texas Republic (soil) and The Republic of Texas (surface water). This is the national jurisdiction that determines all the rest. These republican states are all members of The United States, an unincorporated Union of unincorporated republican states.

    The subservience of the international land jurisdiction underlying the republican states can be demonstrated easily enough. Think of the soil and surface water -- the top six inches of everything you see -- as a skin. You can't get to the land underlying the soil surface without passing through the soil, can you?

    So the land jurisdiction State underlying the soil layer is owned, operated, and possessed by the soil jurisdiction republican states that belong to the living people. The international land jurisdiction State controls all the subsurface resources, the minerals and ground water.

    This is the realm of the living people and Lawful Persons: soil and land, which includes all the fresh surface water and ground water, too. This is also the realm of the State Assemblies.

    Beyond this lies the watery and airy world of the purely fictional States of States, which all function as Legal Persons administered by more Legal Persons.

    Originally, the States of States belonged directly to the States. They were commercial corporations chartered, owned, and operated by the States, and members of the Confederation of States doing business as the united States of America.

    The original States of States were empowered to conduct all the business of the States in the international Jurisdiction of the Sea and in the global municipal Jurisdiction of the Air and they did so until the adoption of the Constitution in 1787, when a power-sharing arrangement dictated by earlier treaties kicked in.

    Thereafter, the original States of States acquired contractual obligations as a group and the united States of America became responsible for providing mutual services and exercising specific "joint powers" on behalf of The United States of America -- our Federation of States, under The Constitution for the united States of America.

    All States of States are naturally subservient to the States, as can be demonstrated by the fact that no State of State can even be named without the presence of a pre-existing State. Just try to have a "State of Florida" without a Florida first? So these entities, too, all ultimately belonged to the people of this country.

    Several other powers that were originally exercised by the States of States were ceded to the British Monarch, these included control of the US Navy and Commercial Fleet, and control of our Trade Policies, as well as physical control of our Territorial Possessions, such as Guam and American Samoa. This was done via the Territorial Constitution called "The Constitution of the United States of America".

    This is the entity doing business as "the" United States of America as opposed to the Federation of States doing business as "The United States of America".

    Finally, control of the Washington, DC Municipality was delegated to the Holy Roman Empire through Westminster, with the understanding that the plenary oligarchy established there was to be exercised by the members of the Federal Congress and the ten miles square was to serve as a neutral meeting space to conduct our country's international trade and commercial business. This was finalized via "The Constitution of the United States"

    This municipal international city-state is what does business as "the" United States, as opposed to our Union of republican states doing business as "The United States".

    Through it all, the people retained the ownership interest and control. All powers flowed directly from the people to the unincorporated Counties to the unincorporated States to the States of States that were chartered and operated by the States themselves, and were consolidated first in the Union of states called The United States, next in the Federation of States called The United States of America, and finally in the Confederation of States of States doing business as the States of America.

    Except for the stipulated power-sharing with the British Monarch, which obligated him to act as our Trustee, and a very minor foothold, however strategically placed, for the Holy Roman Empire, the American People owned everything and controlled everything.

    It was and is a Government of, for, and by the People--- literally, and the international land jurisdiction States played and still play-- the lynch pin and leading role.
    This is because the States are the fundamental connector between the realm of the people and the soil and the rest of the world. The States stand at the interface between the international land jurisdiction and the international sea jurisdiction. They are both the bulwark against encroachment by incorporated entities and the comptroller of all our worldly business interests.

    The actual States are the key to running the whole government properly, and the Assemblies are the key to running the States.

    Now you can see why those who wish to undermine our government also seek to keep everyone confused and bent of creating more State of State organizations instead of assembling the actual States belonging to the Union.

    So long as we chase our tails and create States of States, we can be attacked and our efforts nullified, but if we stand on the solid ground of the land and soil and assemble our actual States, the jig is up.

    There is a vast difference between a State Assembly and a State of State Assembly. One is composed of Lawful Persons, American State Citizens, and the other is composed of Legal Persons, United States Citizens.
    The State Assembly owns and controls the State of State, so the decisions of the State Assembly -- should they be contrary in vision or particulars -- automatically overrule the actions and druthers of the State of State Assembly.

    This is called "Checks and Balances" and was built into every level of the government we are heir to.

    This is a matter of the actual owners taking care of business and telling the Hired Help what to do; when the State Assembly speaks, the State of State Assembly has to obey.

    The Hired Help at the State of State level too often wish to usurp the role of the actual owners and tell us what to do, and also seek to benefit themselves surreptitiously from the unobstructed use of our public property and other assets.

    Those who wish to act as US Citizens and create new States of State are competing against the existing States of State, like any two commercial corporations competing for the same contract. This activity naturally draws the attention and adversity of the current contractor and leads to the arrest and abuse of those organizing such efforts.

    Those who act as American State Citizens and who assemble the actual States are acting in a totally different and higher capacity that does not compete with any State of State organization, but which does hold the authority to tell the State of State what to do, both in general and in specifics.

    The actual State Assembly composed of American State Citizens has the authority to tell the State of State Governor how high to jump, how to administer the State resources, what fees and charges the People will accept and what services they will receive-- or not---from the State of State.

    It is precisely this role of the State Citizens and the State Assembly that has stood empty for too long, leaving the people of this country without a voice and without control over the succession of mostly foreign commercial corporations that have edged in here since the Civil War and operated as States of States.

    You are being called to act as State Assemblymen and Assemblywomen, not State of State Assembly members.

    This distinction is of ultimate importance in terms of both your experience and the benefit to your State and your Country.

    Sure, we can all agree that the services of the States of State organizations need vast improvement. Sure, we can all agree that new service providers or at least better informed and better directed service providers are needed, but at the end of the day, that's quibbling among the Hired Help. It's not the voice of the actual Employers coming forward nor is it the sound of the Employers putting their flat feet down-- and that is what is needed.

    We cannot go on another hundred years letting the tail wag the dog or being endlessly confused about the difference between the actual State and the State of State organizations we employ to do work for us.
    Put simply: the actual State is populated by Lawful Persons who are American State Citizens; the State of State commercial corporations that we either create or hire to provide us with services are populated by Legal Persons who are US Citizens of one kind or another.

    As you can see from the title of all these articles, you are being called to act in the capacity of Lawful Persons, as Employers, and as American State Citizens.

    We are not calling for local chapters of the current States of State commercial corporations to assemble, nor asking for input from our Employees, the US Citizens among us.

    We are calling the actual States and People of this country to assemble. We are calling upon those who can and will expatriate from all Territorial and Municipal United States Citizenship to come home to the land and soil jurisdiction and take care of business.

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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by midnight rambler View Post
    I think Anna is full of shit since anyone who works the commerce side is full of shit.
    Anna says:

    10. We have surrendered any Municipal PERSONS issued in our names back to the Secretary of the US Treasury, and have named him as the Fiduciary Officer responsible for these PERSONS. We cannot be accused of having any further responsibility with respect to these Municipal PERSONS, nor can we be accused of harming them. We have properly discharged any duty that we ever had or were presumed to have.

    They have retained these Municipal PERSONS and have not changed their domicile and not returned them to the Secretary of the US Treasury, with the result that they are still "individually liable" and responsible for any debts or crimes associated with these PERSONS.

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    Re: Anna: Lawful Persons differ from Legal Persons.

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    Attempt to Repeat Past History

    Destry is confirmed a military op shill and so is the whole Michigan General Jural Assembly. It's NWO.
    U.S. and other Foreign Citizens being invited to come run our States of the Union "for" us. Another attempt to repeat past history.

    First, they substituted British (specifically Scottish) Territorial States of States for our "missing" Federal States of States.

    Next, they substituted Roman Catholic Municipal Corporations operating as STATE OF STATES for our still "missing" Federal States of States.

    Now, they are trying to substitute "multi-national" organizations to operate as STATES --- and usurp upon our land and soil jurisdiction.

    Want proof? Here's the phony UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (INCORPORATED) they have set up and here's the names and addresses of the Registered Agents thereof all nicely listed for every phony incorporated "STATE":

    https://www.registeredagentinfo.com


    Bear in mind that the entire job and purpose of a "Registered Agent" is to serve as a point man who can serve as the contact for a foreign corporation seeking to do business with you. So here are the Registered Agents for all their phony "STATES" that are foreign commercial corporations in the business of providing "governmental services".

    And look who these foreign corporations are providing Registered Agent Services for? "Alaska Resident Agent" and "Alaska Statutory Agent", "California Resident Agent" and "California Statutory Agent"..... et alia.

    They are flagrantly, in your face, admitting that they are acting as Registered Agents for Foreign entities called "California Residents" and for Alaska Statutory Entities --- and that means all the corporations formed under "State of State" Statutory Law.

    And as if having one set of phony "STATES" wasn't enough, here's the Registered Agent info for 49 out of 50 other phony Municipal Corporation "STATES" ----- and their Registered Agents: UNITED STATES CORPORATION AGENTS, INC.

    https://www.bizapedia.com/…/united-states-corporations-agen…


    If these were our "States" they wouldn't need a Registered Agent to do business here.

    If these were our States, they wouldn't need to show their names in All Capital Letters to "silently take Notice" that they are incorporated entities, either.

    If these were our States, they wouldn't be populated by "Residents" just passing through.

    If these were our States, they wouldn't have any foreign-registered franchises operated as "Statutory" entities.

    Destry and Company and the U.S. Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about are trying to do another End Run and get the dumb Americans to buy into their crap and give them control of our country and our credit and our resources AGAIN.

    Only this time, they want the usurpers to be lousy NWO multi-national conglomerates, so that the blame for this fraud can be spread all over the world.

    We have one chance to get this right, folks, and hold the perpetrators feet first to the fire. We have to get organized and we have to operate in the correct capacity and we have to form our own Federal States of States to replace all these Undeclared Foreign Interlopers.

    They are trying to pull it again--- substitute their foreign States of States for our States of States.
    And there's the proof above, in black and white.

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