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    Caitlin Johnstone How you can be 100% certain that QAnon is bullshit

    Sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm truly sick of this q-psyop spinning everything so it looks like nothing is wrong. Whenever it looks like Trump is making a mistake or doing something wrong, these q-followers always spin it so it seems okay.

    Every once in a while, I listen to Dave on X22 report and he's a q-follower and always has a positive q-spin on things that are concerning. Like when Trump appointed Bloody Gina, John Bolton, and Elliot Abrams, the spin was that Trump was just doing this so people would start talking about how evil they are (!?!?!?!?) Give me a freaking break--most of us already know that, we saw all we needed to know about these Neocons under Bush/Cheney. And then with Assange--according to Dave, nothing to worry about, the "patriots are in charge" and they are getting him back here so he can tell the truth about Seth Rich and how it wasn't the Russians. And then with Trump sending 1500 troops to Iran, it's b/c they are going there to "fight Iran's deep state" as opposed to most likely being sitting ducks for the next false flag to get us into another war for israhell. (and way back there was all of that "trust Sessions" BS)

    How you can be 100% certain that QAnon is bullshit


    https://www.sott.net/article/413804-...on-is-bullshit

    Caitlin Johnstone
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    https://www.sott.net/image/s26/52378...e/qullshit.png
    President Trump has yet again advanced an evil longstanding agenda of America's depraved intelligence and defense agencies, so as usual the QAnon cult is out in force telling everyone not to worry because this is all part of the plan. Ever since WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was slammed by Trump's Justice Department with a mountain of espionage charges carrying a possible sentence of 175 years in prison, QAnon acolytes have been showing up in my social media mentions with screenshots of a new post from the mysterious 8chan anon assuring us all that Assange is actually being protected by Trump.

    The post reads in the typical QAnon cryptic word salad style that its adherents often annoyingly imitate when normal people try to engage them in an adult conversation:

    "Under protection.
    Threat is real.
    Key to DNC 'source' 'hack' '187'.
    Q"

    I find this subject very tedious, and my regular readers aren't generally the types to fall for this sort of toxic propaganda construct, but I'm putting this information out there anyway as a public service since many people are being deluded by it.

    If you're one of those fortunate enough to be unfamiliar with the QAnon phenomenon, in October of 2017 odd posts began appearing on the anonymous message board 4chan, which is wildly popular with trolls, incels and racists. Those posts ceased appearing on 4chan and moved to a related site, 8chan, where they continue appearing to this day. The poster purports to have insider knowledge of a secret, silent and invisible war that President Trump has been waging against the Deep State with the help of the US military and various "white hats" within the US government, and shares snippets about this war with 8chan users in extremely vague and garbled posts.

    Here are three reasons you can be absolutely, 100 percent certain that it's bullshit:

    1. It always, always, always excuses Trump's facilitation of evil deep state agendas.

    https://www.sott.net/image/s26/523787/large/qanon_1.jpg
    I don't generally use the term "deep state" anymore, mainly because its proper meaning has been distorted by right-wingers and Qultists to mean basically "Democrats and Never-Trumpers", and by mainstream liberals to mean something like "a right-wing conspiracy theory about a secretive cabal of Jews who rule the world". But originally the term simply referred to a concept used for political analysis to describe the undeniable fact that plutocrats and intelligence/defense agencies tend to form relationships with each other in a way that persists amid the comings and goings of the official elected government.

    This alliance has certain agendas that it has consistently pushed for, many of them involving the advancement of wars which financially benefit the plutocrats and which secure geostrategic dominance for the intelligence/defence agencies. Trump has been advancing these longstanding agendas with his administration's regime change interventionism against Iran and Venezuela, world-threatening new cold war escalations against Russia, military expansionism, continuing and expanding of all of Bushbama's warmongering and Orwellian surveillance programs, the campaign to destroy WikiLeaks and imprison Julian Assange for life, and many other actions which benefit the agenda of global hegemony and the profit margins of war plutocrats.

    https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1117209332976738304

    Every single time Trump advances one of these depraved agendas and I speak out against it, I begin getting angry social media responses from QAnon cultists telling me to calm down and relax, that this is all part of the plan, and that Trump is actually doing the exact opposite of what he appears to be doing. And when I say "every single time", I mean exactly that, without a single, solitary exception.

    QAnon cultists do this every single time because they have been propagandized into doing so, both by the 8chan anon they follow and by the herd mentality of the community that it has fostered. They begin with the baseless premise that Trump is a righteous warrior against corruption, conclude that everything he does must therefore be a righteous maneuver against Deep State corruption, then apply their hive mind to coming up with reasons to believe this. Then they show up in my mentions telling me I'm crazy for believing Trump is doing the things that he is very plainly and obviously doing.

    https://twitter.com/ElizabethleaVos/...80576638849025

    https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1132321879862194176

    https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/s...07169310183424


    You don't need to take my word for this. As of this writing right now you can go to the Twitter search bar and type in the words "Assange" and "QAnon" and you'll get a bunch of posts explaining that Assange is "under protection", and that imprisoning a longtime target of the CIA and the Pentagon is actually a devastating blow to the Deep State. You can continue to repeat this exact same experiment every single time Trump advances a disgusting warmongering deep state agenda, and every single time you'll get the exact same results.

    This to me is reason enough to be absolutely certain that QAnon and the credulous cult which has sprouted up around it is crap. US presidents are reliably corrupt warmongers and CIA cronies, so the current president acting like one is not surprising or extraordinary. Trying to justify a US president doing the sort of thing that all US presidents always do as a total deviation from the norm for US presidents would be a ridiculous thing to do even one time. Doing it every single time is fully discrediting.

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you could maybe be excused if you mistook it for a rabbit after one quick glance, but continuing to stare directly at a duck and saying "Yeah that's definitely a rabbit, look at the long ears" over an extended period of time would mean you're a bullshitter.

    2. They always, always, always refuse to prove the validity of their position.

    https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/985548365239914502

    A year ago I tweeted out that I was thinking of writing an article about QAnon and asked its adherents for their very best links/screenshots proving its legitimacy. Go ahead and have a read of the kinds of responses I got by clicking this hyperlink if you're curious. No one came remotely close to providing anything like the evidence I'd asked for, with most responses falling along the lines of "You kind of have to just immerse yourself in it over an extended period of time and marinate in it until you believe," which is the same sort of response you'll get if you ask a religious proselytizer to prove the legitimacy of their religion. I shared the thread again yesterday and got the same response, with one QAnon promoter with a fairly large following telling me, "No amount of evidence can be seen by one choosing to stay blind."

    This is completely different from standard conspiracy theories. If you ask a 9/11 truther to prove the legitimacy of their position, they'll instantly be able to produce clear and concise videos and articles for you, and if they've actually done their homework they'll be able to regale you with information about physics, forensics, architecture, chemistry, and plot holes in the official narrative. If you ask someone who's got theories about the JFK assassination you'll get a comparable amount of lucidity. Ask a QAnon cultist for the same level of intellectual transparency and you'll get a bunch of mealy-mouthed gibberish which will quickly turn into accusations that you are lazy for refusing to do your own research if you keep pressing.

    This is because there is no actual, tangible factual basis for the belief system which has sprouted up around QAnon. It begins, just like any other religion, as a premise of faith, and then the adherents to that faith pool their intellectual resources into the task of finding reasons to legitimize that premise. They begin with the premise that Trump is a good and noble savior who is uprooting the source of all of America's problems with strategic maneuvers which are so brilliant that they look like the exact opposite of what they are, then they let confirmation bias and other cognitive biases do the rest of the work for them.

    https://twitter.com/FakeLeftSucks/st...15412831879169

    Again, you don't need to take my word for this; you can repeat this experiment for yourself. Whenever you encounter a QAnon adherent, either by chance or by seeking them out deliberately, simply ask them to prove the legitimacy of their position. You might get links to sources which attempt to prove that QAnon is connected to the Trump administration (as though that would somehow counter the idea that it's a pro-Trump propaganda construct), you might get links to the mountain of cryptic word salads that QAnon has posted and told to comb through them yourself, but you won't ever get anything resembling an attempt to clearly prove that QAnon is the thing that it purports to be. If you keep pushing you'll encounter nothing but anger as you run into a wall of cognitive dissonance.

    This proves that QAnon is not even a proper conspiracy theory, as we've come to understand that term. Conspiracy theories, per definition, consist of some sort of concrete theory. QAnon, like Russiagate, consists of nothing other than something that people desperately want to believe and then seek out excuses which allow them to feel comfortable believing it. This makes it far more akin to a religion or a cult than a conspiracy theory.

    If QAnon were legitimate, it would be easy for its followers to demonstrate that legitimacy in a clear and simple way. They never can

    3. It's made many bogus claims and inaccurate predictions.

    https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1132409389078368256

    I'm putting this one last instead of first because the appeal of QAnon has very little to do with facts and evidence; if you show these to a Q cultist they'll typically just say "Oh Q didn't really mean that" or "That one wasn't the real Q" or even "Disinformation is necessary" (a John Bolton doctrine which QAnon itself has proclaimed on multiple occasions), but for anyone who's kind of on the fence about the whole thing you should be aware that the QAnon phenomenon has been rife with demonstrable inaccuracies. Personally I prefer to focus on the behaviors of the QAnon cultists themselves, since they're the ones interpreting the cryptic word salads and circulating those interpretations online. They behave as cheerleaders for their government's most depraved agendas; it doesn't really matter what they are being told to believe to get them to behave that way.

    This recent Reddit post on r/conspiracy breaks down many of the bogus claims, inaccurate predictions and deceitful manipulations that the QAnon construct has made since its inception. They include claiming in October 2017 that Hillary Clinton had been arrested and to expect mass rioting in response, posting and then deleting a fake Podesta email, posting multiple photoshopped images as though they were real, posting a bogus photo suggesting that the operator of the account was on Airforce One, and posting bogus "codes" that are demonstrably nothing other than gibberish.

    I don't claim to know everything about this QAnon thing or who exactly is behind it, but these three points I just outlined in my opinion kill all doubt that it's not what it purports to be. For anyone looking at them with intellectual honesty rather than the same way a creationist or cult member might look at something which challenges their faith, anyway.

    It is not good that a vocal and enthusiastic part of Trump's largely anti-interventionist, pro-WikiLeaks base has been propagandized into consistently stumping for longtime agendas of the CIA and the Pentagon. Someone's benefiting from this, and it isn't you.

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    Re: Caitlin Johnstone How you can be 100% certain that QAnon is bullshit

    Not long to wait now, declass is upon us.

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    Re: Caitlin Johnstone How you can be 100% certain that QAnon is bullshit

    Quote Originally Posted by old steel View Post
    Not long to wait now, declass is upon us.
    I'll believe it when I see it.

    Bet it's another big nothing.

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    Re: Caitlin Johnstone How you can be 100% certain that QAnon is bullshit

    It's been easy this year to lose interest in Q, given much more infrequent drops & they're mostly "lightweight" when they come - articles which are already open source (Sara Carter!), memes, one word slogans, etc.

    The Qtubers & tweeters whose subs exploded last year, have struggled to keep some conversation going. And yes the eternal optimism, often pie in the sky (Joe M!) wears thin, combined with the lack of BOOMs. Poor Patriots' Soapbox 24/7 channel, committed to 24/7 live programming, vs 1, 2, 3 week Q drop droughts! When I check in there at all anymore, it's just for a few mins as I hear the hosts floundering aimlessly-- just generic pro Trump conservative talk; almost never a peep about Israhell or the other 'real' topics which interest me.

    We'll see what this Declass event brings... my interest has so dropped off, I'm not even sure of the timetable for it.
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    Re: Caitlin Johnstone How you can be 100% certain that QAnon is bullshit

    Declass 2nd term, if it happened before he would be JFK'd.
    Jackie did it and you know it!

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    Re: Caitlin Johnstone How you can be 100% certain that QAnon is bullshit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cebu_4_2 View Post
    Declass 2nd term, if it happened before he would be JFK'd.
    Ur kidding right?! If the 2020 fake election goes as planned this time, there won't even be a second term.

    Qanon last year was a spicy little exercise in hope porn; but I've been swaying increasingly to the "alienated MAGA" voices, Rense, John Friend, Ann Coulter & others who've pulled no punches as Trump has danced to the zio's tune.
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