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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    I'm sure that Iranian (terrorist) general was a model human being, we should all be praying for him, day and night.
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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

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    Is anyone really elated over officially condoned assasinations?
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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    The western approach to dealing with Islam has failed for many years. Trying to change leadership, nation building, bringing democracy, etc, clearly doesn't work.

    Killing this guy feels different. It was fast and brutal. It feels like giving Islam a taste of its own medicine.

    The problem with middle eastern wars is they can never win because they aren't willing to be as brutal as the other side is. And they are based on nebulous reasons which is really part of some larger scheme to control countries, etc.

    This guy was in Baghdad close to the embassy where he was starting shit, and he got dealt with.

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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    Did Trump just wear out the U.S. welcome in Iraq? 21st Century Wire Patrick Henningsen’s analysis


    https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/01/...-us-occupation

    Patrick Henningsen21st Century Wire

    The United States may have just worn out its welcome in Iraq. Whatever comes next will be laid at the feet of the Trump Presidency.

    As a result of a series of disastrous moves by US central command, the region now faces the very real prospect of another multinational conflagration in the Middle East, which could include a direct military confrontation between the US and Iran.

    How It Began
    This past Sunday December 29th, just before the New Year rang in, President Donald Trump gave the order to bomb an Iraqi military base, killing and wounding a number of Iraqi military personnel, including Iraqi Army officers, Iraqi police, as well as soldiers belonging to the People’s Mobilization Unit (PMUs). US Air Force F-15E fighters struck five targets located in Iraq and along the Syria-Iraq border, all said to be controlled by an ‘Iranian-backed paramilitary group,’ according to the Pentagon.

    According to Washington defense spokespersons, Sunday’s US airstrike was supposedly in response to a rocket attack which struck the “K1” joint US-Iraqi military base located in Kirkuk in north Iraq, which happened just two days before on Friday December 27th, killing one U.S. defense contractor, and one Iraqi police officer, as well as wounding a further 4 US defense contractors, and 3 Iraqi Army officers. US officials claim they had intelligence which confirmed that Friday’s rocket attack near Kirkuk was the work of “Iranian militia,” therefore holding the Islamic Republic of Iran responsible. However, no evidence was presented by the US in relation to the claim.

    In response to the US bombing its facility on Sunday, Iraqi protesters, including friends and family of fallen soldiers killed in the US bombing raid, and led by Iraqi PMU members and their supporters, stormed the outer perimeter of the US embassy in Baghdad located inside the infamous US-controlled Green Zone. Many US embassy staff were evacuated or airlifted from the compound, and an additional detachment of 100 US Marines were called in as reinforcements, along with an additional 750 troops from fast battalion 82nd Airborne Division sent to Kuwait preparing to go into Iraq. US combat helicopters circled overhead, as well as around the entire Green Zone and over civilians neighborhoods in Baghdad. This move was not received well by the Iraqi government who forbid such US military patrols as part of their status of forces agreement for the country. The siege lasted until News Years Eve on December 31st, before the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Mukhabarat internal security eventually arrived to disperse the angry crowds.

    Following the embarrassing scenes at the US embassy on New Years Eve, Washington promised retribution. What followed could very well be the trigger for a renewed war in Iraq, and which may likely result in US forces and personnel eventually being asked (or forced) to leave the country. On Wednesday January 2, 2020, the US launched another airstrike, targeting an access road leading to Baghdad International Airport, and reportedly killed Iranian Quds Force leader, General Qasem Soleimani, as well as senior Iraqi PMU commander, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, according to reports by Iraqi TV.


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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    This blogger left a comment on the 21st Century Wire article. Another point of view

    http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspo...ng-kirkuk.html

    Thursday, January 2, 2020

    US Escalation in Iraq: Taking Kirkuk & Further Entrenching the US in the Region



    Happy New Year to All !!
    My crummy cold prevented me from extending well wishes and following up on my previous post.. Still under the weather, but, this report needs to be published

    I’m going to hattip Scott at Nomadic Everyman for flipping the switch and helping to answer questions posed in the previous post. Latest Report: Ambassador flees as Iraqis storm US embassy- 750 Troops Deploy Immediately With More To Come
    What's going on? The US appears to be escalating something in Iraq??
    Escalating in Kirkuk is what’s going on:


    Scott “As the original attack on the K-1 base near Kirkuk starts to look more and more suspect, Trump starts the process of sending an additional 4k troops to the region in order to combat Iran's influence on Iraq.”
    Kirkuk Resource and Territory Grab

    The reading I’ve done can be summed up something like this... the border strikes as the impetus for the protests. The protests then justifying a massive increase in US forces. Questionable, to say the least.

    The influx of troops is being done for another reason, having nothing to do with the protests.

    In my opinion, the protests at the Green Zone had to have been allowed and or encouraged. Cause let’s face it readers, the Green Zone is very heavily fortified, well secured - Given their locations, (Afghanistan and Iraq) both complexes require heavy security. But the US embassy in Baghdad is an entirely self-contained colony. Blast proof walls and all )and we shouldn’t forget that it’s just bursting at the seams with military and mercenaries... Therefore, a protest like the one that had occurred could only have taken place if it was condoned. Or desired. With the possibility of provocateurs being present. That’s the only thing that really make sense.

    Additionally: Leader of U.S. Embassy siege in Iraq was guest of Obama at White House


    One of the men identified by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo as a leader of the Iran-backed siege of the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad was welcomed to the White House in 2011 by President Barack Obama.

    Hadi al-Amiri was photographed outside the U.S. Embassyduring the siege and was singled out by Mr. Pompeo as an Iranian “proxy” abetting terrorists who stormed the embassy walls and set fires.
    An Iranian 'proxy'? An American 'proxy'? Cui Bono.
    In Scott’s video he mentioned the earlier attacks on the K-1 base in Kirkuk. Scott, in my opinion, correctly assesses we’re dealing with some serious water muddying. In all probability the “attack” on the K- 1 base was a false flag. And the protestors at the embassy are likely affiliated with the US already, or were heavily infiltrated with provocateurs. We’ve seen past protests at the Green Zone and they’ve generally served US interests.

    US Troops will not be leaving Iraq- They never did previously. They won’t now:


    Congressman Jason Chaffetz questioned the replacement of military forces with contractors, asking: "Are we just playing a little bit of a shell game here?" There is some irony in the fact that a decision by the Iraqi government to deny US soldiers immunity will result in an increase in the numbers of much hated and unaccountable security contractors.

    The US never departed Iraq, they undertook creative bookkeeping is all.

    US attack on Iraqi militia further entrenches US military in Middle East

    "The Trump administration argues that these attacks were not only an appropriate response to the attack by the group, which the US contends is an Iranian proxy, on an Iraqi military base near Kirkuk that killed a US contractor and wounded four American troops and two Iraqis. Moreover, the US says, it will degrade the group's ability to conduct future attacks against coalition forces in the region.

    Even if one accepts the administration's rationale for the American response, the incident should raise a number of concerns. First, why does the US still have approximately 5,000 troops plus an unknown number of private contractors in Iraq nearly 17 years after our invasion?

    If our attack in Iraq was a response to an assault on that country by a foreign power, why was the US attack on December 29, 2019, unanimously and publicly condemned by all the Iraqi leaders, including the president, the prime minister, the foreign minister, the Fatih Alliance - the second largest group in the Iraqi Parliament - and the top Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al Sistani?

    Iraqi President Barham Salih actually went so far as to call it an aggressive action and a violation of Iraqi sovereignty.

    When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo informed Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi of the attack ahead of time, the prime minister asked him to call it off, and then publicly condemned it, calling it an unspeakable, vicious assault that will have dangerous consequences. How can we claim to be in Iraq to protect their democracy when we are obviously violating their sovereignty?

    Third, what comes next? The Pentagon claims that its precision defensive strikes will degrade the militia group's ability to conduct future attacks against coalition forces, while Pompeo calls it a decisive response to Iran."

    This is not about responding to a militia- and it’s not directly, though it will eventually get to being, about a response to Iran either. This is about Kirkuk. Control of territory. Control of resources. And most likely a challenge to Russia. As well as Turkey.

    The very idea that one would send thousands of additional troops to respond to a militia, into a nation that already has at least 5000 US troops, an unknown number of mercenaries along with other coalition forces present, is absurd. The existing force should make a firm response to the blamed militia, a cakewalk. That said, taking and holding additional territory would require more man power. And that is, in my opinion, what’s really going on.

    Kirkuk, disputed and resource rich

    I've talked the remake of the region for so long now... we're not getting into that in any detail, except to say it's factor in the taking of Kirkuk.

    Let's go back to 2017 and reread some older material posted here at that time, shall we?

    11/ 2017: The PMU(F) & Iraq’s Future: Deal With PKK in Kirkuk.
    " Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), in coordination with the Hashd al-Shaabi militia, deployed forces and arms in Daquq district, southern Kirkuk Province.

    PKK has made an agreement with the Iranian-backed Shi’ite militia Hashd al-Shaabi to deploy PKK forces along with the militia group in Daquq, a move similar to the one in Sinjar.

    Hashd al-Shaabi has allowed PKK to deploy more troops and arms in the district, according to the agreement."

    The Hashd al Shaabi is associated with Sadr. And his militia has worked hand in glove with the Kurds for some time now. (That's been covered more then once at the blog) At that time different militias backed by Iranian and Lebanese forces had TAKEN OVER DISPUTED TERRITORIES killing Kurdish forces and wounding others.

    The Iraqi militias, backed by Iran’s Quds Force and Lebanese Hezbollah, took over the Kurdish disputed territories, killing around 60 Peshmerga troops and wounding 150 others. The invasion created a humanitarian crisis as nearly 200,000 people were forced to flee their homes and their properties were either looted or burned by the militias.

    As had been explained, in the above linked posts there are different PMF's, as they are known in the region. Some, despite being Shia are already allied with the US. Some are not.


    • Understanding subgroups is pivotal. The PMF is not a monolithic
    The PMF's/PMU's are not a monolith. And Kirkuk is disputed territory. Which means the Kurds claim it as theirs. Iraq says it is not. There are resources and lots of them ready to be exploited and controlled.

    Shortly after the Hashd al Shaabi allowed the PKK to move into the area there began to be terrorist attacks in the area. Shocking, right? (facetious)

    12/2017: Attacking Kirkuk: Kurdish Militant Group Re-emerges in Iraq
    The people and officials of the ethnically mixed Iraqi town of Tuz Khurmatu, 170 km north of Baghdad, talk about a new group that raises white flags decorated by the head of a lion drawn in black and carries out almost daily rocket attacks on the town, its surroundings and the suburbs of the nearby province of Kirkuk.

    The group sometimes launches raids on the strategic road linking Baghdad to the northern oil city of Kirkuk, intercepting trucks, looting some and burning others, residents and local security officials told Arab News.

    “They are Kurdish militants (and are) joined by Daesh militants who fled the neighboring areas,” Hussien said. “They are sleeper cells that were waiting for the right time and place to resume their activities.”

    Cue the attack on the K-1 base- Would that be the "right time and place to resume activities"?
    Rocket attack by unknown gunmen on K1 base

    The K1 base is home to US and Iraqi troops and is 15 kilometers northwest of Kirkuk.
    The base was established near the Kirkuk oil facility.

    As Yaya mentioned there is likely a compete with Russia aspect to this whole scenario, she kindly left some supporting information.

    yayacanadaJanuary 1, 2020 at 9:43 PM
    Hi Penny: Happy New Year!

    I wonder if the following two articles might contain some clues. Creating a fuss over the US Embassy would be a good excuse to send in more US troops.

    The Future of Iraq’s Oil Is Russian
    With ongoing protests making other investors nervous, Moscow is charging ahead.
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/15...g-middle-east/

    JOHN KIRIAKOU: About Trump Wanting Iraq’s Oil Fields
    October 29, 2019

    What the president advocated was one of the most telling statements of his presidency. It amounted to an admission that he is perfectly willing to commit a war crime.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/2...qs-oil-fields/

    So, let's go back to October 2017: Russia's Roseneft to Take Majority Share......
    Russia’s state-controlled oil giant Rosneft said on Thursday that it had agreed with the Kurdistan Regional Government to take majority control in the operation of the oil pipeline in the Kurdish region, in an apparent push by Russia and Rosneft to achieve greater political and economic influence in the Middle East.

    The Rosneft deal comes just days after Iraqi government forces seized control of all oil fields that Iraqi state-held North Oil Company operates in the oil-rich Kirkuk region from Kurdish forces.

    Last week, Iraq’s Oil Minister Jabbar Al-Luiebi ordered state-held oil and pipeline companies to begin restoring oil flows from Kirkuk to Ceyhan via a pipeline that bypasses Kurdistan, increasing pressure on the breakaway region that voted for independence last month in a referendum strongly opposed and deemed illegal and invalid by the federal government.

    To conclude: The US is using the pretext of the protests, the likely false flag attack on the K1 base to bring in additional troops in order to take back the Kirkuk territory held by the Iraqi state government. That's how this all looks to me at this time. Where it goes...??

    Additional Reading
    The U.S. official, who provided unreleased details on condition of anonymity, said the full brigade of about 4,000 soldiers may deploy.

    According to the U.S. Army's website, the 82nd Airborne Division is "a force prepared to respond to crisis contingencies anywhere in the world within 18 hours."

    "This deployment is an appropriate and precautionary action taken in response to increased threat levels against U.S. personnel and facilities, such as we witnessed in Baghdad today," Esper said in a written statement. "The United States will protect our people and interests anywhere they are found around the world."

    The 750 soldiers deploying immediately are in addition to 14,000 U.S. troops who have deployed to the Gulf region since May in response to concerns about Iranian aggression, including its alleged sabotage of commercial shipping in the Persian Gulf

    The US has been preparing a regional escalation since May of 2019




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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    None of the articles and videos I have watched mention Israel as being an influencing factor in this. William Mount mentions the CIA Russia China and the United Nations, but he also says almost nothing on the issue of Israel.

    Somebody, repeat SOMEBODY, is trying to provoke Trump / USA into a war on Iran. We have to look at all the candidates who have that wish for war and Israel is the one that first comes to my mind.

    Nothing, repeat NOTHING, that comes out over the mainstream media is the truth.

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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dachsie View Post
    If what William Mount said in his special video is true about this officially condoned assassination stopping the nuking of D.C., Baghdad and Jerusalem, then I am happy about this assassination.

    One thing for truthful and sure about this matter, none of us know the whole truth about what prompted this action by President Trump.

    All we can do is wait and see what they do to us next.
    My only question would be if Salami was the only guy whos been preventing the nukes of those cities from happening all these past decades..

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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    "My only question would be if Salami was the only guy whos been preventing the nukes of those cities from happening all these past decades.. "

    Good question. I think partly the answer Mount my give to your question is that Iran fairly recently came into possession of 3 nuclear bombs - big ones.
    So the deeper question is who really is Salami ( I like your spelling...of Soleimani). He was a mid level power person in Iran up until last few years when Iran has really been building him up in the press and making him look big and powerful. Are there really nukes involved that are in the hands of some entities that are right now threatening to use them?

    I am listening now to Dr. Fetzer give his unique take on Trump's action and he is calling Trump a liar and a pretty much a traitor. He is reading from an article about this by PHillip Geraldi. and using the B S term liberally throughout his commentary.

    At least Dr. Fetzer is mentioning Israel and the Mossad and drawing parallels to Israel's role in perpetrating 9-11. But Dr. Fetzer also sort of sounds like he is saying THIS MEANS WAR FOR SURE RIGHT NOW and that is the logical consequence of Trump's action.

    In many ways, Trump's decision to assassinate Salami does not make logical sense and we know we are missing some pieces of the puzzle.

    William Mount's take does seem to suggest one big missing puzzle piece that could explain a lot of things but who knows? None of us, for sure.

    And during this day, I have heard at least five completely understandings of what Trump's action portends.

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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    This is actually quite insane. I believe Iran could truly claim that Trump is a danger to their country. They would surely have a right then, under this doctrine, to assassinate Trump. Countries and their leaders once followed the rule of law (ostensibly).
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    Re: Trump ordered killing of Iranian General Soleimani: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by woodman View Post
    This is actually quite insane. I believe Iran could truly claim that Trump is a danger to their country. They would surely have a right then, under this doctrine, to assassinate Trump. Countries and their leaders once followed the rule of law (ostensibly).
    The problem is you're applying western values to muslims.

    Western values say that you respect your adversary and play by established rules, have a war, and one side wins and the other side concedes defeat.

    Islam on the other hand lives by the sword. Their way of life is war. The only way to end it is to kill them. Trump did this guy a favor. Now he gets to be a martyr. It was a win/win situation really.

    Iran can't claim anything because the guy was killed on foreign soil, only a few miles from where he was orchestrating attacks on us, with a militia leader on his way to coordinate further attacks. Its not like they dragged this guy out of his home or out of an embassy or something.

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