They want to ban it but it's too late. It's like shutting down the Internet in 2000. To many businesses and things being used by it. Bankers now are making money off of it. Rich people are parking their money into it this bull run.Originally Posted by Hitch
Any bank that doesn't transition into working with crypto will die, and the ones that do will thrive.
It's never going away. The only issue is the capital gains taxes with trading and selling it. We need a solution to taxation of cryptos.
Boomers only understand Boomer Rocks and not real digital money (Bitcoin).
Shami: Was the bolded above a typo? It seems when people talk about the generations these days all we hear about is Millennials and Boomers. How come no one mentions the generation that works their asses off and drives this country? Gen X'ers are the forgotten generation that still spend a lot of money. Granted, I'm not a fan that many of them raised snowflake faggot children, but X'ers themselves are typically hardworking and lean more to the right. I believe this is the generation that is purchasing a lot of PM's.
Well Shami, I can pretty much bet that none of us here will so quickly discount anything you say. Not after seeing how the Coin played out.
Quote: "I got emotional and freaked out and sold everything."
You succumbed to the same thing that has bitten everyone of us; namely, making decisions based on emotion. It will bite you. I know it has me.Here's to getting wiser. As far as the BTC-e raids by the Feds, I have not heard of this.
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Gen-X is in between 50/50 Blend on investing. A lot of them are XRP fanatics.
I ignore Gen-X since they aren't a distinctly different group, more of a grey.
My biggest fear of cryptos at this point, is buying in with hard earned cash and having something go wrong. I feel like you could push the wrong key and go to zero. Or lose your password, or get hacked while transferring funds. There is absolutely no protection against loss.
At $4 there was no risk, but if you throw 25, or 50 thousand in and lose it, it would be very upsetting, especially now that I'm retired and I don't want to go back to work.
I disagree that Millennials and Zoomers will have no interest in precious metals. With AI coming on, the internet is becoming less safe, I think everything will be tracked, or what would happen if China took down the global internet? We still don't know what will happen when the digital dollar is introduced...it's coming.
The Millennials and Zoomers might change their mind and realize the value of tangible assets.
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Hitch (6th August 2020)
This is a great discussion, and at gold being $2070, silver near $30. You have to take precious metals seriously. Gold may never go below 2K, nor silver below $30 ever again. I don't think age or anything has to do with it, metals are an asset, tangible.
Hold physical gold and silver.
Bitcoin, could take off again. In percentages, it might win. People fleeing out of currencies. There's only one wrong answer here, the value of the US dollar.
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monty (6th August 2020)
Russia-China "Dedollarization" Reaches "Breakthrough Moment" As Countries Ditch Greenback For Bilateral Trade
by Tyler Durden
Thu, 08/06/2020 - 17:05
Late last year, data released by the PBOC and the Russian Central Bank shone a light on a disturbing - at least, for the US - trend: As the Trump Administration ratcheted up sanctions pressure on Russia and China, both countries and their central banks have substantially "diversified" their foreign-currency reserves, dumping dollars and buying up gold and each other's currencies.
Back in September, we wrote about the PBOC and RCB building their reserves of gold bullion to levels not seen in years. The Russian Central Bank became one of the world's largest buyers of bullion last year (at least among the world's central banks). At the time, we also introduced this chart.
We've been writing about the impending demise of the greenback for years now, and of course we're not alone. Some well-regarded economists have theorized that the fall of the greenback could be a good thing for humanity - it could open the door to a multi-currency basket, or better yet, a global current (bitcoin perhaps?) - by allowing us to transition to a global monetary system with with less endemic instability.
Though, to be sure, the greenback is hardly the first "global currency".
Falling confidence in the greenback has been masked by the Fed's aggressive buying, as central bankers in the Eccles Building now fear that the asset bubbles they've blown are big enough to harm the real economy, so we must wait for exactly the right time to let the air out of these bubbles so they don't ruin people's lives and upset the global economic apple cart. As the coronavirus outbreak has taught us, that time may never come.
But all the while, Russia and China have been quietly weening off of the dollar, and instead using rubles and yuan to settle transnational trade.
Since we live in a world where commerce is directed by the whims of the free market (at least, in theory), the Kremlin can just make Russian and Chinese companies substitute yuan and rubles for dollars with the flip of a switch:as Russian President Vladimir Putin once exclaimed, the US's aggressive sanctions policy risks destroying the dollar's reserve status by forcing more companies from Russia and China to search for alternatives to transacting in dollars, if for no other reason than to keep costs down (international economic sanctions can make moving money abroad difficult).
In 2019, Putin gleefully revealed that Russia had reduced the dollar holdings of its central bank by $101 billion, cutting the total in half.
And according to new data from the Russian Central Bank and Federal Customs Service, the dollar's share of bilateral trade between Russia and China fell below 50% for the first time in modern history.
Businesses only used the greenback for roughly 46% of settlements between the two countries. Over the same period, the euro constituted an all-time high of 30%. While other national currencies accounted for 24%, also a new high.
As one 'expert' told the Nikkei Asian Review, it's just the latest sign that Russia and China are forming a "de-dollarization alliance" to diminish the economic heft of Washington's sanctions powers, and its de facto control of SWIFT, the primary inter-bank messaging service via which banks move money from country to country.
The shift is happening much more quickly than the US probably expected. As recently as 2015, more than 90% of bilateral trade between China and Russia was conducted in dollars.
Alexey Maslov, director of the Institute of Far Eastern Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences, told the Nikkei Asian Review that the Russia-China "dedollarization" was approaching a "breakthrough moment" that could elevate their relationship to a de facto alliance.
"The collaboration between Russia and China in the financial sphere tells us that they are finally finding the parameters for a new alliance with each other," he said. "Many expected that this would be a military alliance or a trading alliance, but now the alliance is moving more in the banking and financial direction, and that is what can guarantee independence for both countries."
Dedollarization has been a priority for Russia and China since 2014, when they began expanding economic cooperation following Moscow's estrangement from the West over its annexation of Crimea. Replacing the dollar in trade settlements became a necessity to sidestep U.S. sanctions against Russia.
"Any wire transaction that takes place in the world involving U.S. dollars is at some point cleared through a U.S. bank," explained Dmitry Dolgin, ING Bank's chief economist for Russia. "That means that the U.S. government can tell that bank to freeze certain transactions."
The process gained further momentum after the Donald Trump administration imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Chinese goods. Whereas previously Moscow had taken the initiative on dedollarization, Beijing came to view it as critical, too.
"Only very recently did the Chinese state and major economic entities begin to feel that they might end up in a similar situation as our Russian counterparts: being the target of the sanctions and potentially even getting shut out of the SWIFT system," said Zhang Xin, a research fellow at the Center for Russian Studies at Shanghai's East China Normal University.
At times, Russia has prioritized use of the yuan over its own currency in the hopes that his would push Beijing to become more "assertive" in establishing the yuan as an internationalized currency. While the yuan was added to a IMF basket of reserve currencies a few years back, Beijing's unwillingness to take its hand off the wheel when it comes to managing the currency has stymied its internationalization.
Russia's push to accumulate yuan is not just about diversifying its foreign exchange reserves, Maslov explained. Moscow also wants to encourage Beijing to become more assertive in challenging Washington's global economic leadership.
"Russia has a considerably more decisive position toward the United States [than China does]," Maslov said. "Russia is used to fighting, it does not hold negotiations. One way for Russia to make China's position more decisive, more willing to fight is to show that it supports Beijing in the financial sphere."
Six years have passed between Russia and China opened FX swap lines between their central banks in 2014. That three year deal was expanded in 2017.
While trying to assess the long-term risk, remember: Ray Dalio has apparently assigned a whole team of publicists to help spread his concerns about the potential fallout from a US-China "capital war". It's worth remembering that China has far more financial firepower with which to vex the US than many pundits are willing to acknowledge.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...itch-greenback
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Ares (6th August 2020)
The whole world will be digitized. The main issue is learning how to deal with crypto. These technologies become more secure with wider adoption.
I also believe insuring crypto will be how the banks survive as things move to crypto. They'll be like insurance companies for crypto.
It's actually far less risky with crypto these days. Just get a wallet like Exodus or Atomic Wallet and you should be fine. If you want to be extra safe export your private keys and print them up and store them where you store your Gold/Silver. One of my favorite things with crypto is you can literally memorize your private keys and have money in your MEMORY. Like literally the key to your wealth stored inside your mind. That's insane. You cant sneak your money out of the country with Gold/Silver easily, but what stays in your mind is still there until you forget.
I think Gold/Silver will be worthless as space travel kicks into gear and automated robot space mining becomes a thing, but that's beyond the years of many on this forum.
Gold and Silver should be fine, but I do believe this is the last major bull run for them. Seriously buy stuff and cash out this time.
I think we will have another major bull run for cryptos in 2024-2026 based on the stock to flow model which has already forecasted the current bull run:
https://digitalik.net/btc/
Cryptos can be conjured out of thin air. It's a fashion, what ever is in style at the current time.
Gold and silver are God's money. Can't be created by us. If automated robot space mining becomes a thing, that's the point. It's pursued because we can't make or create gold, nor silver. We don't have enough for demand. We need to build robots to mine it in space. Trying to mine it robotically on other planets. That's the whole point. That IS the definition of demand.
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