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    Re: Florida Building "Collapse"

    Quote Originally Posted by cheka. View Post
    everybody knows the official story blasting out of (((nyc))) media

    so the only things worth discussing are the facts that run counter to it. this should not always be misconstrued as an opinion - just more info added for prudent analysis
    It can actually be quite useful to occasionally watch the mainstream tripe. You can pretty much divine the truth by believing the exact opposite of what their claims are. At this point they certainly don't want to spend a buck showing any news. Their dollars are better spent sticking to indoctrination and outright fraudulent propaganda.
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    Re: Florida Building "Collapse"

    Review of the Champlain Towers collapse, this much is well established by this point:

    40 year old building
    Marine environment
    Building was on an island
    Garage floor was no more than 2.5 feet above sea level
    Beaucoup evidence of water damage to pool deck when viewing ceiling in the garage, stalactites popping out of cracks all over
    An 3' x 3' exploratory cut was into the pool deck adjacent to the largest planter sometime in the later half of last year and left exposed for months
    There was punch through shear on at least five columns supporting pool deck
    The punch through shear on the five columns apparently occurred approximately seven minutes before the ultimate catastrophic failure of the building
    The deterioration of the pool deck (spalling, corrosion of the rebar, delamination, stalactites, etc.) was known for at least 25 years
    When inspected in the mid-90s the subsidence of the building was estimated to be 2mm/year - that's ~3 inches over 40 years

    My own observations -

    Waterproofing materials and techniques used 40 years ago were prone to premature failure (like in as little as a year or two after original installation), nowhere as advanced as today
    When the punch through shear occurred taking out the initial columns the beams connecting those columns to the columns directly below the south side of the building fell and compromised the columns supporting the south side of the building
    The initial collapse of the pool deck appears to have been centered at the location of the largest planter box, right where the 3'x3' exploratory cut was made and left exposed for months
    The corrugated plastic panel fastened to the ceiling of the garage/pool deck (apparently placed there to divert the pool deck seepage from getting on someone's car since there was no provision for drainage off that panel) appears to have been in the vicinity of the largest planter box, thus indicating this was a major trouble spot where the waterproofing failed

    My own theory overview:

    Very poor waterproofing installation failed prematurely. Stalactites appear all over garage ceiling/pool deck over the course of 40 years and are largely disregarded with no remedial action of any type expect for the destructive testing at the 3'x3' exploratory cut (which really didn't remedy anything and there's a good chance it was contributory to the collapse). The warning signs were blown off. Pool deck was delaminated after decades of enduring a waterproofing failure and who knows what sort of heavy equipment was brought in to install and subsequently remove the palm trees on the pool deck thereby aggravating the delamination of the pool deck. There was apparently a complete disregard of the integrity of the structure therefore it broke.

    This nonsense about the Chosen having a hand in this collapse is just utter nonsense. There were people at the pool of the hotel on the north side of the Champlain towers who were within just a few yards of the pool deck when it collapsed and there was a family (up and awake) on the first floor directly adjacent to the initial pool deck collapse....NO ONE reported hearing any explosions. Sometimes the simplest scenario is the closest to the truth. The Chosen showed up to get their moment of glory and nothing more, as soon as the cameras were off them they were most likely out of there. And I doubt the local authorities allowed them in as equals.

    Because of the lack of attention to the deterioration of the pool deck over the course of decades it was only a matter of time before it collapsed.

    ANYTIME copious amounts of stalactites are observed from the underside of a structural concrete deck it's either FUCKED or well on its way to being fucked.
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    Re: Florida Building "Collapse"

    Stalactites explains away the presence of numerous israelli army troops on site as the dust settled? FFS!
    Stalactites explains away the mcaffey harddrives.. SMH.

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