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    By faith Abraham

    By faith he that is called Abraham, obeyed to go out into a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

    Hebrews 11:8 Douay-Rheims Bible


    By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

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    The Faith of Abraham and Sarah
    7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in godly fear built an ark to save his family. By faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. 8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, without knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the promised land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.…
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    Chaos Frank recently accidentally taught the true dogma and Good News of Christ the King.

    Here, Brother Andre Marie comments on this phenomenon.

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    "Pope Francis and the Senseless Galatians

    IN two back-to-back Wednesday audiences last month, Pope Francis managed to bring upon himself a great deal of criticism from two quite different audiences: faithful Catholics and the Grand Rabbinate of Israel.

    While Catholic outlets were quick to pick up on what Pope Francis said on August 18 about the commandments of the Decalogue not being “absolutes” (e.g., “Pope Francis on the Ten Commandments: ‘I observe them, but not as absolutes’” by Kennedy Hall), Jewish objections to the August 18 audience about the Torah not giving life did not garner attention until Philip Pullella broke the story for Reuters in his August 25 piece, “Israeli rabbis ask pope to clarify remarks on Jewish law.” The Grand Rabbinate wrote a letter expressing their objections the very day after Pope Francis’ remarks (August 12), but they waited some time to make the letter public, apparently choosing Reuters’ well known liberal Vaticanist as their preferred medium." SNIP


    Here comments on this.

    "Not Kosher: Top Jewish Authorities ‘concerned’ after Francis accidentally preaches Christ over Judaism

    August 25, 2021

    His ‘Elder Brothers’ are not amused!
    Not Kosher: Top Jewish Authorities ‘concerned’ after Francis accidentally preaches Christ over Judaism

    From the beginning, the Argentinian Jesuit Jorge Bergoglio (aka “Pope Francis”) has been preaching not only a false gospel but even different versions of the same. What message he delivers simply depends on who is listening.

    For example, while putatively Catholic ears get to hear from him that the Law of Moses cannot give life and justification can only come from Jesus Christ, the unbelieving Jews have been hearing a different story from the man who falsely claims to be the Vicar of Christ. This two-facedness has been going on for quite a while, and as long as neither side finds out what the other is told, the charade can continue.

    But now the Jews have caught on.

    During his General Audience on Aug. 11, 2021, Francis said:

    The Apostle explains to the Galatians that, in reality, the Covenant and the Law are not linked indissolubly – the Covenant with God and the Mosaic Law. The first element he relies on is that the Covenant established by God with Abraham was based on faith in the fulfillment of the promise and not on the observance of the Law that did not yet exist. Abraham began his journey centuries before the Law. The Apostle writes: “This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward [with Moses], does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God [with Abraham when he called him], so as to make the promise void”. This word is very important. The people of God, we Christians, we journey through life looking toward a promise, the promise is what attracts us, it attracts us to move forward toward the encounter with the Lord. “For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise [that came before the Law, the promise to Abraham]; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise” (Gal 3:17-18), then the Law came four hundred and thirty years after. With this reasoning, Paul reached his first objective: the Law is not the basis of the Covenant because it came later, it was necessary and just, but prior to that there was the promise, the Covenant.

    Such an argument disqualifies all those who sustain that the Mosaic Law was a constitutive part of the Covenant. No, the Covenant comes first, and the call came to Abraham. The Torah, the Law, in fact, was not included in the promise made to Abraham. Having said this, one should not think, however, that Saint Paul was opposed to the Mosaic Law. No, he observed it. Several times in his Letters, he defends its divine origin and says that it possesses a well-defined role in the history of salvation. The Law, however, does not give life, it does not offer the fulfillment of the promise because it is not capable of being able to fulfill it. The Law is a journey, a journey that leads toward an encounter. Paul uses a word, I do not know if it is in the text, a very important word: the law is the “pedagogue” toward Christ, the pedagogue toward faith in Christ, that is, the teacher that leads you by the hand toward the encounter (cf. Gal 3:24). Those who seek life need to look to the promise and to its fulfillment in Christ.

    (Antipope Francis, General Audience,, Aug. 11, 2021) " SNIP

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    Re: By faith Abraham

    Brotther Andre Marie gives us all the closure we're going to get on the matter of Chaos Frank accidentally communicates true dogma of Christ and salvation.

    Inglorious Ending to the Israel-Vatican ‘Galatians Affair’

    Inglorious Ending to the Israel-Vatican ‘Galatians Affair’

    Sep 14, 2021 Brother André Marie

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    The current event that I wrote about in my latest Ad Rem, Pope Francis and the Senseless Galatians, has, it appears, reached its rather anti-climactic climax followed by an inglorious denouement. Unless either side chooses to provoke something, which appears diplomatically unlikely, the game is over, and the win goes to the indifferents.

    No big shocker.

    From two pieces published last week by Reuters’ very liberal vaticanista, Philip Pullella, we learn the following (bold emphasis mine):

    Pope responds to Israeli criticism over comments on Jewish law (September 6)


    Francis then asked Koch to explain that his words on the Torah reflecting on the writings of St. Paul in the New Testament should not be taken as a judgment on Jewish law, the sources said.

    Last week Koch sent a letter to Arousi containing a quote made by Pope Francis in 2015: “The Christian confessions find their unity in Christ; Judaism finds its unity in the Torah.” [This ignores the fundamental issue: Do Jews — like the Gentiles — need faith in Christ and in the Holy Trinity in order to be saved?]

    Jewish sources said they saw the Vatican letter as a sign of reconciliation.

    For his part, the pope appeared to go out of his way in his last two public appearances to try to clear up what the Vatican considers a misunderstanding.

    At a general audience on Sept 1, Francis said his words on St. Paul’s writings were “simply a catechesis (teaching homily) … and nothing else”.

    At his weekly blessing on Sunday, he offered best wishes to Jews for the upcoming Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, and for the subsequent feasts of Yom Kippur and Sukkot.

    “May the new year be rich with fruits of peace, and good for those who walk faithfully in the law of the Lord,” he said.

    Both Jewish and Vatican sources said the inclusion of the word “law” in what are normally routine greetings was significant and intentional.

    Vatican rejects Israeli criticism over pope comments on Jewish law (September 10)


    The Vatican’s official response, seen by Reuters on Friday, said the pope’s comments in a homily on the writings of St. Paul should not be extrapolated from their context of ancient times and had no bearings on today’s Jews.

    “The abiding Christian conviction is that Jesus Christ is the new way of salvation. However, this does not mean that the Torah is diminished or no longer recognised as the ‘way of salvation for Jews,'” wrote Cardinal Kurt Koch, whose Vatican department covers religious relations with Jews.

    “In his catechesis the Holy Father does not make any mention of modern Judaism; the address is a reflection on (St. Paul’s) theology within the historical context of a given era,” Koch wrote.

    “The fact that the Torah is crucial for modern Judaism is not questioned in any way,” he said.

    Of the many pieces on this site that are of direct relevance to the above remarks, these four stand out as the most germane:

    Promising Salvation to Non-Catholics: A Sin against Charity
    Charity for Gentiles and Jews
    The Jewish Nation will Enter the Church
    Forgotten Converts

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