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    Re: WW4 kicked off in Ukraine...?

    How much of this "war" is make believe on both sides?
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    Good analysis of the larger geo-political situation from just before Russia invaded (Feb 23) but still valid and informative:

    niccolo.substack.com: "Fuck it!" Russia's Final Break With the West; US-Russian joint tactical victory, European and Ukrainian defeat
    This represents the final break of Russia with the West, a break that it has been preparing for now for years. It has amassed a massive foreign wealth currency reserve (north of $600 billion USD), and has sanctions-proofed its economy, ironically thanks to US-sanctions regime forcing it to discipline itself by ways such as import-substitution.
    They went to war with Human Nature, Cold and Flu Season and the Weather!
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    Re: WW4 kicked off in Ukraine...?

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    Tulsi Gabbard @TulsiGabbard Warmongers argue that we must protect Ukraine because it is a “democracy.” But they’re lying. Ukraine isn't actually a democracy. To hold onto power, Ukraine's president shut down the 3 TV stations that criticized him, and imprisoned…

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    Tulsi Gabbard & Daniel Krenshaw are Klaus Schwab Young Leaders

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    Yes, always have to remember that about Tulsi, though I do appreciate whenever she speaks out and exposes the lies.



    Vladimir Putin - “Empire of Lies” Speech - Full - February 24, 2022



    Hard to know what to make of Putin, since he went along with operation Covid hoax (and even dressed up in full hazmat gear)

    Lukashenko warning about WW3 (Lukashenko did not go along with operation Covid Hoax)_
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    Comments by Thierry Meyssan on Russia’s intervention in Ukraine (Video)

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article215849.html

    A few hours ago the Russian army conducted airstrikes against the sector of the Ukrainian armed forces that is linked to NATO. In 3 hours, the Russian army wiped out the entire Ukrainian anti-aircraft defenses and will continue its operation by next attacking the Azov battalion and all the Nazi officials that the United States and the United Kingdom introduced into the Ukrainian government. ‎


    This should be good news for everyone, but here, in France, this operation is being portrayed as an invasion against Ukraine and as the forthcoming arrival of the Russian bear in Paris.

    So don’t be fooled. because there are very important elements that we are not being told. ‎ ‎


    Only those aspects referring directly to Ukraine are reported on, but the general context is overlooked. And that context proves Russia right, as I am going to explain to you. ‎


    In October, Victoria Nuland, Under Secretary of State, traveled to Russia and, in Moscow, she threatened to crush the Russian economy and demanded the resignation of President Vladimir Putin. But you never heard about it. Look it up online. It is very easy to verify. ‎

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    Did NATO Just Declare War on Russia?

    Mike Whitney • February 26, 2022


    In a move that can only be regarded as a major escalation, NATO officials announced on Friday that they would deploy troops from its Combat-Ready Response Force to support the Ukrainian regime in its war with Russia. The Alliance will also send additional weapons which will be used to blunt the Russian offensive that has already seized large parts of the country and obliterated most of Ukraine’s defensive capability. It is impossible to overstate the gravity of NATO’s action which assigns such importance to preserving its ‘junta regime’ in Kiev that they would willingly pit NATO against a nuclear-armed Russia in what could become a much broader regional war. Clearly, the strategic objectives of this murky conflict go far beyond the mere control of an ethnically-divided, failed state situated between Europe and Asia. Ukraine is no longer just a geopolitical trophy for western elites, but a last-gasp effort for Washington to prove it still controls the levers of global power. Here’s the story from Reuters:
    “NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday the alliance was deploying parts of its combat-ready response force and would continue to send weapons to Ukraine, including air defences, while saying that Russia was trying to topple the Ukrainian government.
    “We see rhetoric, the messages, which is strongly indicating that the aim is to remove the democratically elected government in Kyiv,” he told a news conference following a virtual meeting of NATO leaders.
    (“NATO allies to provide more weapons to Ukraine, Stoltenberg says”, Reuters)
    Stoltenberg’s decision gives Russian president Vladimir Putin no choice but to locate and destroy whatever weapons or troops enter the country that could be used to kill or injure Russian servicemen. Naturally, the killing of NATO personnel could be used to further escalate the conflict plunging the region into a much wider and more violent conflagration. Here’s more from Stoltenberg’s press conference on Friday:
    “Yesterday, NATO Allies activated our defense plans… on land, at sea, and in the air…. The United States, Canada and European Allies have deployed thousands more troops to the eastern part of the Alliance… We now have over 100 jets at high alert operating in over 30 different locations… and over 120 ships from the High North to the Mediterranean… including three strike carrier groups….
    We have many planes operating in the eastern part of the Alliance (and) several Allies have partly already assigned troops and forces to the NATO Response Force.” Weapon support also includes “air defence systems…” (which could be used to enforce a no-fly zone.)
    This is the most serious security crisis we have faced in Europe for decades….... It is about how Russia is actually challenging core values for security, and demanding that NATO should withdraw all forces and infrastructure from almost half of our members. And they have stated that if we don’t meet their demands, there will be “military-technical consequences.” So, we have to take this seriously. And that’s exactly why we are now deploying the NATO Response Force, for the first time in a collective defence context.” (NATO’s Virtual Summit, Feb 25, 2022)
    Stoltenberg is right, Russia is challenging NATO’s core values on security, and demanding that Alliance roll back its forces and infrastructure from Russia’s doorstep. What Stoltenberg fails to mention is that NATO expansion poses an existential threat to Russia by placing missile sites, military bases and combat troops on its border. He also fails to mention that NATO expansion violates agreements (to which all of the NATO members are signatores) stipulating that all parties to the agreement will refrain from any action that could affect the security interests of the other members. In Istanbul (1999) and in Astana (2010), the US and the other 56 countries in the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) signed documents “that contained interrelated principles to ensure the indivisibility of security.”
    What that means in practical terms, is that nations cannot put military bases and missile sites in locations that pose a threat to other members. It means that parties must refrain from using their respective territories to carry out or assist armed aggression against other members. It means that parties are prohibited from acting in a manner that runs counter to the principles laid out in the treaty. It means that Ukraine cannot become a member of NATO if its membership poses a threat to Russian security.
    So, yes, Russia is challenging NATO’s approach to security, mainly because NATO’s approach is built on the rubble of treaties that the member states already signed and approved but now refuse to honor because it doesn’t advance their geopolitical objectives.
    Stoltenberg would like us all to believe that joining NATO should simply be a matter of personal choice (“Every nation has the right to choose its own security arrangements”) like choosing which flavor of ice cream one wants to eat. But that is not how leaders protect their countries from potential threats. Those threats can only be mitigated when other nations agree that they “will NOT strengthen their own security at the expense of the security of others.” That’s the bottom line and that is never going to change. National security is every leader’s highest priority and it always will be. Stoltenberg rejects this fundamental tenet of global security, and his rejection has paved the way to war. If you want to know who’s responsible for the war in Ukraine: Blame NATO. Here’s how Putin summed it up:
    “Over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
    Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?”
    “For the United States and its allies, it is a policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty. It is the red line which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.” (“Address by the President of the Russian Federation“, Kremlin, RU)
    It’s worth noting, that Stoltenberg has been chosen to become Norway’s next Central Bank chief which illustrates the cozy relationship between the Big Money and the geopolitical machinations that invariably end in war. We can only wonder whether this risky gambit in Ukraine is actually an attempt to preserve a western financial system that is so thoroughly-marinated in corruption that its markets require monthly infusions of billions of dollars in digital cash to prevent a system-wide meltdown followed by a precipitous decline in the value of the dollar. By keeping Russia down, Stoltenberg’s backers might be hoping they can breathe new life into the rotting corpse of the imperial system. But whatever the reason may be, the deploying of NATO Combat-Ready Response Force greatly increases the chances of a miscalculation that could lead to disaster. Check out this short blurb from an article by Ulrich Kühn who points out the risks of current strategy:
    “President Biden and other Western leaders have made it clear repeatedly that they would not send forces to Ukraine. ….That does not mean, however, that unintended actions by Russia… or by individual NATO member states could not spark a larger conflict that no one planned. During the next hours, days, and weeks, the risk of what strategists call “inadvertent escalation” will increase….
    Another possible scenario for inadvertent escalation is linked to western calls for arming Ukrainian forces. A day before the Russian assault, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced, “the UK will shortly be providing a further package of military support to Ukraine. This will include lethal aid in the form of defensive weapons and non-lethal aid.” As morally justified such calls might sound in the current environment, the question remains: How will weapons be transferred to Ukraine, now that Russia has established air dominance over the country? They would almost certainly not be flown in but would have to be provided using land or sea routes. It would thus be in the interest of the Russian military to gain quick control over Ukraine’s western borders with NATO allies. Possible efforts by individual NATO member states to send additional military equipment via the Ukrainian land borders could be met with fierce Russian resistance and may lead to skirmishes between Russian and NATO personnel.” (The pathways of inadvertent escalation: Is a NATO-Russia war (now) possible?” Bulletin of Atomic Scientists)
    So, what does this excerpt tell us?
    It tells us that the foreign policy establishment has already “gamed-out” the developments we now see unfolding. NATO would like to lure Putin into attacking their supply-lines, so the action could be used to justify greater involvement in the conflict. In other words, what we’re seeing is a calculated effort to (incrementally) increase the probability of a war between Russia and NATO. There’s nothing that would please Uncle Sam more than to see Russia bogged down in bloody quagmire that further isolates Moscow from Europe and prevents the type of economic integration needed to draw the continents together into the world’s largest free trade zone. Washington wants to avoid that scenario at all cost. Check out this quote from Russian economist Sergie Glaziev:
    “To maintain their world dominance, the (US) is provoking another war in Europe. A war is always good for America. They even call the Second World War which killed 50 million people in Europe and Russia, a good war. It was good for America because the US emerged from this war as the world’s leading power. The Cold War which ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union was also good for them. Now the US again wants to maintain its leadership at the expense of Europe. US leadership is being threatened by a rapidly rising China. The world today is shifting to yet another cycle, this time political. This cycle lasts centuries and is associated with the global institutions of regulatory economics.
    We are now moving from the American cycle of capital accumulation to an Asian cycle. This is another crisis that is challenging US hegemony. To maintain their leading position in the face of competition with a rising China and other Asian countries Americans are starting a war in Europe. They want to weaken Europe, break up Russia, and subjugate the entire Eurasian continent. That is, instead of a development zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok, which is proposed by President Putin, the US wants to start a chaotic war on this territory, embroil all Europe in a war, devalue to European capital, write off its public debt, under the burden of which the US is already falling apart, write off what they owe to Europe and Russia, subjugate our economic space and establish control over resources of the giant Eurasian continent. They believe that this is the only way they can maintain their hegemony and beat China….
    Russia and Ukraine are the victims of this war which is being fomented by the Americans. But Europe is also a victim because the war aims to target European welfare and to destabilize Europe. Americans expect the European capital and brain drain to America will continue. That’s why they are setting all of Europe on fire. It’s very strange that European leaders are going along with them.” (Watch this extraordinary 2014 Interview with Russian intellectual Sergei Glaziev that was posted at The Saker website nearly 10 years ago)
    The deployment of NATO’s Combat-Ready Response Force provides more evidence that the Alliance is an aggressive and war-mongering​ organization which undermines European security and puts the entire world at risk. As America’s cat’s-paw on the continent, NATO invariably acts in Washington’s interests. With that is mind, we should expect to see a steady intensification of hostilities directed at Russia, all of which are designed to further divide the continents while tightening Washington’s grip on power.
    (Correction: NATO troops will not operate within Ukraine but exclusively in NATO member states. This was not clear from NATO’s original communique. The question remains, however, is the providing of heavy weapons an act of war? In my opinion, it would be quite easy for NATO to end the fighting by simply agreeing to make Ukraine permanently neutral, implementing the Minsk​ Protocol, and abandoning all plans to deploy nuclear missiles to Poland and Romania. Putin’s only demand is that NATO seriously address Russia’s legitimate security concerns.)


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    Hard to know what to make of Putin, since he went along with operation Covid hoax
    NO ONE gets to be a leader of a country (and stay in power, witness the African leaders who wouldn't play CONJOB-19) UNLESS they're in 'the club'. Vlad is certainly no exception, he hangs with bona fide Satan worshippers.

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    The "anti-Russia" rhetoric is starting to heat up with the proles. When does the USA get the Russian version of "freedom fries"?
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    Seventy Years of CIA in Ukraine
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    Re: WW4 kicked off in Ukraine...?

    From investigative reporter Vanessa Beeley


    Vanessa Beeley, [2/28/22 12:04 AM]Best comment so far today from a US lawyer :


    "I am both amazed and shocked at the incredible level of ignorance about what led up to the situation today in Ukraine and what's actually going on.
    Where have all you Ukraine experts, supporters of freedom and democracy, and suddenly 'woke' yellow & gold cheerleaders been for the past 8 years?
    Anyone recall the George Soros-CIA orchestrated orange-coloured coup d'etat and U.S. hand-picked government replacement of a sovereign and democratically elected government in 2014. Not a beep from the West.
    The Donbass region and Crimea decide "no thanks" and the newly minted pro-Western government decide to attack, bomb, shoot, shell and burn alive residents of Lugansk and Donetsk for the next 8 years and 15,000 dead citizens later - cutting off electricity, water and pensions to the people of those regions all under an "extermination" edict from the new Ukranian President at the time. Crickets.
    Meanwhile, Neo-Nazi paramilitaries like the Azov Brigade and the Right Sector "operating" openly and beligerently under full Ukranian authority (despite U.N. war crimes charges against these groups' leaders and members). More silence.
    The Russian language banned, Russian schools closed, opposition leaders and supporters banned and jailed. Zero coverage by the Mainstream Media.
    The fight in Ukraine has nothing to do with freedom dear people. It is about encircling and ultimately bearking up Russia.
    NATO encroachment is the West's only goal and this is a war NATO wanted from the very beginning - Ukraine's citizens have always been expendable as part of the formented and formulated narrative.
    For Russia, NATO not guaranteeing - or even entertaining - Russia's security concerns was the 'red line.' Just look at a map all you suddenly geo-political experts and realize that it doesn't take a genius to figure out the West has done everything in its power since the breakup of the former Soviet Union to neuter and bring to heel the proud and culturally rich Russian peoples (count the NATO sign-ups people with particualr regard toeach of their geographic locations).
    The Russophobia, the unending and escalating hate against everything Russian and the sheer ignorance of all you "I stand with Ukraine" useful idiots variously based on Western progaganda as well as utterly contrived and pruposeful social media fear porn and misinformation makes me literally want to cry, pull my hair out and puke at the same time. There's been endless false reporting on Ukraine but to ensure it stays that way, all Western countries are banning all information, news and media sources and providers that have the slightest hint of association with the Russian republic - ain't democracy in an free and open society grand.
    Fearless but fictious Ukrainian flying aces using video game grabs - defiant Snake Island protectors dying in a hail of Russian naval warship fire suddenly appearing alive and well - Russian missle attacks on Ukrainian apartment complexes that turn out to be a misfired Ukrainian BUK defence missle - downed Russian military troop transport plane with hundred on board with unusal Ukranian airforce identification markings on its tail.
    Come on folks, if Russia really wanted to blitzkrieg Ukrainian cities and indiscriminate slaughter its civilians - do you think they would still easy access to water, electricity, gas, food and telecommunications? Russia has so far purposely executed and publicly expressed - to a fault I should add - a military incursion to destroy Ukraine's ability to make war on the Donbas while at the same time avoiding all targettting civilian infrastructure and populated resdiential areas if at all possible. I challenge anyone to dispute this. If Russia was at any time inclined to destroying Ukraine, they could have easily taken the "shock and awe" aproach of the freedom-loving non-interventionist U.S.
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