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    The Mirror



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    The relationship between the Church and politics is undeniable so much so, in fact, that they are almost mirror images of each other. And considering fallen human nature, the enormous sums of money, the intrigue, the lies and anything else that could apply, no one could be surprised.

    About a month ago, a perfect example of all this unfolded very nicely in Orlando, Florida, as well as Washington, D.C. all on the same weekend. The so-called conservative movement, such as it is, subdivided into three separate gatherings, each occurring on the same weekend.

    In D.C., the anti-Trump Republicans gathered to plot how to wrest the party back from the control of Trump. Good luck with that. Nonetheless, the intrepid bunch with headliners like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger gathered and plotted, likely in vain.

    At this point, the best they can probably hope for is to derail Trump just enough to pull the party back from what they see as its impending doom. Of the three gatherings, this was the least attended (about 400 people), a signal that not only do they have their work cut out for them, but they will also have to accept their role as mere saboteurs and begin what amounts to being behind enemy lines, at least philosophically.
    The D.C. GOP hates Trump. They have forfeited their seat at the table.
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    From D.C., the focus shifts to Orlando, Florida, where not one but two gatherings were going on. One could be labeled the authentic conservative brand (as most people understand the word "conservative"). The other could be labeled as establishment conservatism.

    While they do share common ground on various policy points, the difference between them when it comes to moral points is as wide as the gulf is between authentic Catholicism and "Church of Nice" Catholicism. So the conservative movement within the GOP is truly fractured.

    The D.C. GOP crowd hates Trump, and they seem to have not realized they have forfeited any seat at the table when it comes to discussions of the future of the party and the overall movement.

    That crowd is more akin to what used to be called "moderate Democrats."

    These Liz Cheneys and Adam Kinzingers voted to impeach Trump, push the insane Jan. 6 narrative and so forth. They long ago gave up on conservatism and the Republican establishment. In the considerably more populated areas of the so-called conservative world, the authentic conservative and the establishment conservative are where the real struggle for the heart and soul of the movement is happening.

    In Orlando last month, this couldn't have been any more clear than watching the duel play out between CPAC and AFPAC. CPAC is the large, well-funded establishment political action committee and AFPAC, which stands for America First Political Action Committee, is where all the youthful (read: future) energy is. Whoever wins this struggle will dictate the future of the party and, to a large extent, the nation.

    The same dynamic is easily found in the Church between authentic Catholics and social Catholics, between those who really do believe all the Church teaches and those who attend and hang out for other reasons.

    The Church, too, has its analogous "anti-Trump" crowd and as the anti-Trump Republicans are barely recognizable as Republicans, this crowd is barely recognizable as Catholic. The difference, however, is the Church crowd just leaves and doesn't even pretend to be Catholic. The anti-trump "Depublicans" are still fooling themselves that they are somehow still Republican.
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    So as in the political world, so too in the Catholic world a spectrum or continuum of theological adherence where only one part of that spectrum is the safe, authentic place to be. Establishment Catholicism mirrors establishment conservatism, in that each achieved the status of "establishment" precisely by compromising because, let's face it, the vast majority of humanity compromises and does so routinely.

    What is the establishment, after all, other than that which is accepted by most people? The Church of Nice and political conservatism are mirrors of one another, comprised of grifters at the top and mindless sheep for members that are being led astray and willing to be led astray because they seek comfort before greatness a condition of fallen human nature.

    Both will go over the cliff they are engineered that way. They can't help it. A compromised set of beliefs in either theology or politics will lead to destruction.

    It's why the Left has been so successful because they never compromise, they just keep pushing, unwilling to settle for just being comfortable. Each generation or two, in both Church and culture, there are some who rise up in response to the compromise and resist it. They are lambasted, roasted, mocked, attacked and, in the end, they are proven right.

    Sometimes, historical events unfold in such a way that they actually win and a culture is preserved, even if temporarily. But win or lose, they are always proven right. Down deep, even the compromising sheep know the resisters, the fighters, those willing to sacrifice comfort for greatness, are right.

    That's why movies like Lord of the Rings and Gladiator and others of that genre are always so successful because they speak to that dynamic in the human soul, the desire for justice and right. But alas, too few are willing to do much about it, retiring to their homes after popcorn and a nice day at the movies, stirred in their souls, but not sufficiently.

    They are easy prey for the grifters at the top of the Church or conservatism who speak to that yearning but compromise it for personal gain in whatever form they take it.

    Yes, the hierarchy is comprised of consummate politicians, and the politically conservative world continues to pay just lip service to God perfect mirrors of each other.


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    Good analysis and conservative movement in the Republican party and the factions in the Catholic church.
    Still Dachsie really is not on the side of Church Militant because it is of the "novus ordo" sect.

    Bergoglio is as much "the Pope" as Biden is "the president."

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    Re: The Mirror

    In Minnesota the bulk of all RC's are Democrats. I know a few who are conservatives, but most of them were converts by marriage.
    Well over 90 percent of the people Hitler locked up were Germans. Only 2 to 3 percent were Jews and most of those Jews were elevated to concentration camp kapos.

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    Re: The Mirror

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjon View Post
    In Minnesota the bulk of all RC's are Democrats. I know a few who are conservatives, but most of them were converts by marriage.
    I think it is funny how the Rs are divided into three groups and the Ds are not divided at all. They have true unity in their party but that unity does not equal strength.

    I had thought about starting a RHINO thread and sort of keep track of which Rs vote for which bad bills in the U S legislature.

    But I am sure there is some other site that covers that but I have not located it yet.

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    Re: The Mirror

    Quote Originally Posted by Dachsie View Post
    I think it is funny how the Rs are divided into three groups and the Ds are not divided at all. They have true unity in their party but that unity does not equal strength.

    I had thought about starting a RHINO thread and sort of keep track of which Rs vote for which bad bills in the U S legislature.

    But I am sure there is some other site that covers that but I have not located it yet.
    Well the reason for the divide is Jews again.

    The Jews were traditionally all D's, but they were not getting enough control so they invaded the conservative space and brought communism to conservatives. The neocons are conservatives in name only.
    Well over 90 percent of the people Hitler locked up were Germans. Only 2 to 3 percent were Jews and most of those Jews were elevated to concentration camp kapos.

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    Re: The Mirror

    Yes, true. There used to be some moderate or centrist Dems but they all moved extreme left when Professor Strauss and the neocons made their move and concurrrently took over the Protestant "evangelical" "Israel First" Dispensational group, which gave great "conservative "Chrisitain" flavor to the neocons.

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