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    Re: Maui victims fund raising from Ed Dowd via Sasha Latypova

    wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hawaii_wildfires
    An emergency declaration was signed on August 8, authorizing several actions, including activation of the Hawaii National Guard, appropriate actions by the director of the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency and the Administrator of Emergency Management, and the expenditure of state general revenue funds for relief of conditions created by the fires. By August 9, the state government of Hawaii issued a state of emergency for the entirety of the state. On August 10, U.S. President Joe Biden issued a federal major disaster declaration.


    dailymail.co.uk: Maui fire investigation: Maui's top emergency officials were on a different island for a disaster training as flames flared and did not join response call until five hours after the deadly wildfires begun

    The Daily Mail's link supporting their headline is too an older DM article that does not seem to mention this, but some internet searching confirms the meeting nearby at the time the disaster started.

    samoanews.com: Enhancing Disaster Resilience: American Samoa participates in Pacific Partnership Meeting 2023
    Mon, 08/14/2023
    The Pacific Partnership Meeting (PPM) 2023 brought together FEMA federal partners, the state of Hawaii and Pacific territories to meet, collaborate, discuss and receive information on programs, services, opportunities and resources available through the federal agency.

    According to a press release from the Governor’s Office, Pacific territorial leaders — including Gov. Lemanu P.S. Mauga, were able to share with FEMA Region IX Regional Administrator Robert Fenton, “unmet needs and request assistance to help them improve their readiness for future disasters.”

    ...The Pacific Partnership Meeting 2023 took place in Honolulu, Hawaii, from August 8- 10.
    We have seen this before, especially with disaster drills 'unexpectedly' going live. Not necessarily proof that these particular government officials were engineering the disaster, but have seen this too often with high publicized disasters or incidents to be this often happening randomly as it could from time to time. Like 9-11. Probably more like some of these government officials, like much of the public, are also being abused by modern western Stasi's plague and democide the citizens terrorism.


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    Re: Maui victims fund raising from Ed Dowd via Sasha Latypova

    Yup, we've seen this before. captured US govt waging war on the people. Yet, most are still asleep and have no clue.

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    Re: Maui victims fund raising from Ed Dowd via Sasha Latypova

    More and more western public servants these days, if not purposely demociding those they serve, are becoming too incompetent to care for citizens.

    Associated Press reporting citizens that disobeyed their civil servants survived.

    apnews.com: In deadly Maui fires, many had no warning and no way out. Those who dodged a barricade survived
    As flames tore through a West Maui neighborhood, car after car of fleeing residents headed for the only paved road out of town in a desperate race for safety.

    And car after car was turned back toward the rapidly spreading wildfire by a barricade blocking access to Highway 30.

    One family swerved around the barricade and was safe in a nearby town 48 minutes later, another drove their four-wheel-drive car down a dirt road to escape. One man took a dirt road uphill, climbing above the fire and watching as Lahaina burned. He later picked his way through the flames, smoke and rubble to pull survivors to safety.

    But dozens of others found themselves caught in a hellscape, their cars jammed together on a narrow road, surrounded by flames on three sides and the rocky ocean waves on the fourth. Some died in their cars, while others tried to run for safety...

    The road closures — some because of the fire, some because of downed power lines — contributed to making historic Lahaina the site of the deadliest U.S. wildfire in more than a century...

    And later, as the fire began to swallow homes in its ravenous path, Maui County emergency officials declined to use an extensive network of emergency sirens to alert Lahaina’s residents to flee.

    During a news conference Tuesday, Maui Police Chief John Pelletier said police officers drove up and down streets, knocking on doors and using loudspeakers to tell people to leave, but he didn’t say exactly where and what time those efforts occurred. The Associated Press has filed public records requests for location reports and other documentation including video and internal communications to clarify the details of the police and fire response, but Maui County has not yet released that information.

    A team of Associated Press journalists documented the first hours of the deadly wildfire by interviewing dozens of survivors and public officials, examining public documents and analyzing citizen videos, satellite images and publicly available data. The timeline reveals the chaos that overtook the town.
    The town's fire hydrants had water (different water supply) but firemen busied themselves blocking routes whilst the residents access to water was shut off?

    cnn.com: Hawaii delayed diverting water that could have helped Maui wildfires, letters obtained by CNN allege
    August 18, 2023
    Glenn Tremble of the West Maui Land Company, which manages water supply companies, complained in a letter to the deputy director of the Hawaii Commission on Water Resource Management that the agency failed to quickly approve his company’s request to divert stream water to nearby reservoirs.

    The agency told Tremble that his company first had to ask about impacts on downstream users, according to the letter.

    It’s unclear whether a prompt approval of the request would have significantly bolstered firefighting efforts in Lahaina. In the wake of the blaze, state officials announced they are investigating the emergency response to the disaster that has claimed more than 100 lives.

    Hours went by, Tremble wrote in his August 10 letter, before his request was approved. Tremble told CNN by that time, his company’s water system manager left the area to evacuate his family and other staff couldn’t be reached.

    Tremble said he made his initial request on August 8, when the fire ripped through Lahaina.

    He and his colleagues watched the fire spread “without the ability to help,” Tremble wrote.

    “We anxiously awaited the morning knowing that we could have made more water available to (the fire department) if our request had been immediately approved,” he wrote. “We cannot know whether filling our reservoirs at 1:00 p.m. (as opposed to not at all) would have changed the headlines when dawn broke… We know that we need to act faster during an emergency.”

    The correspondence was previously reported by the Honolulu Star-Advertiser and the Honolulu Civil Beat. In an email to CNN, Tremble said his company asked permission to fill their reservoirs before the fire swept into Lahaina, though he said his company’s systems are not connected to the county’s systems that supply fire hydrants.

    The chairperson for the Commission on Water Resource Management responded to Tremble’s letter the same day, stating that her agency would largely grant his requests related to filling reservoirs and loosening regulations for fire emergencies in the area. In a follow-up letter, Tremble thanked the chairperson for the prompt response.

    Asked about reports that firefighters didn’t have enough water to tackle the fire, Gov. Josh Green told reporters in a news conference Monday: “One thing that people need to understand, especially from far away, is there’s been a great deal of water conflict on Maui for many years.”

    This isn’t the first time West Maui Land Company and the state’s water commission have been at odds. The commission had proposed slapping one of the company’s subsidiaries, Olowalu Water, with a $470,000 fine in 2022 after it drew more water than was allowed from a West Maui stream.
    Unfortunately it seems a half a million dollar fine last year was enough 'modern western Stasi' to ensure or train the residential water supplier to not help his fellow citizen's and customers without appropriate government official's approvals.
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    Re: Maui victims fund raising from Ed Dowd via Sasha Latypova

    Nowadays western civil servants follow modern woke protocol that degrades and enslaves by abusing citizens as if they are all children with safety protocols insisting on completely shutting down the roads for relatively minor hazards (i.e. one is safe from downed wire electrocution inside a car) for excessively long period of time (blocking the routes out of town) probably up to the minute they decided to flee for their lives.

    Not a big consumer of this type of news, but finally looking into this disaster today, many of their utility poles apparently were rotten, the large amount of obvious public services and civil service incompetence and failure is opposed to the last few weeks of fringe controlled opposition speculation of DC regime space laser or current years Democrat politics (arson) and such competence.

    arkansasonline.com: AP: Wind, policy fanned Lahaina fire
    August 24, 2023
    Hurricane Dora brought strong winds to Maui as it passed roughly 500 miles south of the Hawaii island chain. Those winds downed at least 30 power poles in West Maui, and Hawaiian Electric had no procedure in place for turning off the grid -- a common practice in other fire-prone states. Video shot by a Lahaina resident shows a downed powerline setting dry grasses alight, possibly revealing the start of the larger fire.

    Shane Treu wakes early on Aug. 8 and is in his backyard when he hears a utility pole snap next to Lahainaluna Road. He sees the downed powerline ignite the grass and calls 911 at 6:37 a.m. to report the fire.

    Small brush fires aren't unusual for Lahaina, and the fire department declares this one 100% contained by 9:55 a.m. The assurance puts many residents at ease; the high winds have prompted the closure of some public schools for the day, and others have not yet started. That means many of Lahaina's 3,000 public school students are home alone while their parents work.

    Contained is not controlled, however, and the town is being battered by high winds. While many of Maui County's fire crews work to extinguish the Upcountry fire on the eastern half of the island, the wind is toppling power poles and scattering embers like seeds in Lahaina.

    According to Treu's neighbor Robert Arconado, the fire reignites around 2 p.m. He records video of it spreading at 3:06 p.m., as large plumes of smoke rise near Lahainaluna Road and are carried downtown by the wind.

    Around 3:30 p.m., Hawaiian Electric sends a news release asking Maui residents to prepare for extended outages. The utility says more than 30 power poles are down in West Maui, including along the Honoapiilani Highway at the south end of Lahaina. The fire department closes the Lahaina Bypass road because of the fire.

    The closures block the only route out of Lahaina to the south.

    Mike Cicchino decides to flee with his wife and several dogs from their neighborhood near Lahainaluna Road. He tries to get out of town, taking the highway south.

    "And then we hit a roadblock going towards Kahului," Cicchino said, forcing them to turn the other way. He cuts through parking lots and side streets, and ends up on Front Street.

    "So the police were blocking roads, the exit, some of the exit roads out. And I'm assuming it's because there's been some downed power lines or some downed trees," he said.

    Pelletier confirmed that at a news conference two weeks later.

    "We did not close or forbid people from getting out of Lahaina," Pelletier said. "If there was a downed power line that was live, we wanted to make sure that you didn't go over a downed live power line."
    Plastic residential piping! Expect future additional propaganda for 'smart meter' water meters to allow officials to turn off your water when they want to next time. Yet, in this disaster, they not even bothered to turn on the town's emergency alarm.

    nytimes.com: As Inferno Grew, Lahaina’s Water System Collapsed
    Hoping to control the blaze as it took root among homes along the hillside nearly a mile above the center of town, fire crews encountered water pressure that was increasingly feeble, with the wind turning the streams into mist. Then, as the inferno stoked by hurricane-force gusts grew, roaring further toward the historic center of town on the island of Maui, the hydrants sputtered and became largely useless.

    “There was just no water in the hydrants,” said Keahi Ho, one of the firefighters who was on duty in Lahaina...

    On the day the fire tore through Lahaina, the fight was complicated by winds in excess of 70 miles per hour, stoked by a hurricane offshore. Not only did the wind fuel the blaze, it made it impossible during much of the day to launch helicopters that could have carried in and dropped water from the ocean...

    John Stufflebean, the county’s director of water supply, said backup generators allowed the system to maintain sufficient overall supply throughout the fire. But he said that as the fire began moving down the hillside, turning homes into rubble, many properties were damaged so badly that water was spewing out of their melting pipes, depressurizing the network that also supplies the hydrants.

    “The water was leaking out of the system,” he said.

    Every time they set up to suppress the fire in one area, the blaze would spread and they would find themselves scrambling to stay ahead of it. The water pressure was a continuing problem, he said.
    "Every time they set up to suppress the fire in one area, the blaze would spread and they would find themselves scrambling to stay ahead of it. "

    Thankfully individual households have better method to protect their property during wildfires if handy and prepared, survivors have shown, and that does not rely on civil services.

    Rural property owners that have survived wildfires fires talk of having their own generator, pump and water supply (a hot tub or like sized tank or two), going into their house when it is impossible to be outside as a fire-front burns through/over the property, then going outside between such events and putting out any fires that started on the house while such house exterior fires are still small, then repeating this for up to 24 hours or so, checking the exterior for small fires every 20 minutes or half hour. Houses need to be spaced far enough apart though.
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    Re: Maui victims fund raising from Ed Dowd via Sasha Latypova

    Quote Originally Posted by keehah View Post
    Nowadays western civil servants follow modern woke protocol that degrades and enslaves by abusing citizens as if they are all children with safety protocols insisting on completely shutting down the roads for relatively minor hazards (i.e. one is safe from downed wire electrocution inside a car) for excessively long period of time (blocking the routes out of town) probably up to the minute they decided to flee for their lives.

    Not a big consumer of this type of news, but finally looking into this disaster today, many of their utility poles apparently were rotten, the large amount of obvious public services and civil service incompetence and failure is opposed to the last few weeks of fringe controlled opposition speculation of DC regime space laser or current years Democrat politics (arson) and such competence.

    arkansasonline.com: AP: Wind, policy fanned Lahaina fire


    Plastic residential piping! Expect future additional propaganda for 'smart meter' water meters to allow officials to turn off your water when they want to next time. Yet, in this disaster, they not even bothered to turn on the town's emergency alarm.

    nytimes.com: As Inferno Grew, Lahaina’s Water System Collapsed


    "Every time they set up to suppress the fire in one area, the blaze would spread and they would find themselves scrambling to stay ahead of it. "

    Thankfully individual households have better method to protect their property during wildfires if handy and prepared, survivors have shown, and that does not rely on civil services.

    Rural property owners that have survived wildfires fires talk of having their own generator, pump and water supply (a hot tub or like sized tank or two), going into their house when it is impossible to be outside as a fire-front burns through/over the property, then going outside between such events and putting out any fires that started on the house while such house exterior fires are still small, then repeating this for up to 24 hours or so, checking the exterior for small fires every 20 minutes or half hour. Houses need to be spaced far enough apart though.
    Agree that the conditions were present in that the fires could easily be explained by poor infrastructure. IMO still fits the elite agenda.
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