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    National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    WASHINGTON (RNS) A federal district judge in Wisconsin has ruled that the 1988 law creating the annual observance of the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional.

    "It goes beyond mere 'acknowledgement' of religion because its sole purpose is to encourage all citizens to engage in prayer, an inherently religious exercise that serves no secular function in this context," U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb ruled Thursday (April 15).

    "In this instance, the government has taken sides on a matter that must be left to individual conscience."

    The Madison, Wis.-based Freedom from Religion Foundation, which filed suit in 2008 to stop the prayer day, hailed the decision as a "sweet victory."

    "The law is on our side," said the group's co-president, Annie Laurie Gaylor. "The judge had the courage to make the decision on the merits of the case and not worry about public opinion."

    The White House issued a statement Thursday on Twitter saying: "As he did last year, President Obama intends to recognize a National Day of Prayer."

    In 2009, Obama issued a proclamation but did not host the traditional White House observance that his predecessor, George W. Bush, had held while he was president.


    The American Center for Justice, which filed a brief in the case supporting the law on behalf of 31 members of Congress, called the decision "flawed" and predicted it could end up before the Supreme Court.

    "It is unfortunate that this court failed to understand that a day set aside for prayer for the country represents a time-honored tradition that embraces the First Amendment, not violates it," said chief counsel Jay Sekulow.

    The law creating the national observance dates to 1952 and was made more specific in 1988, calling for it to be marked annually on the first Thursday in May.



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    Some of the signers of the constitution participated in a national day of prayer.
    and George Washington declared a national day of prayer.

    Now it's Unconstitutional?
    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." T.J.

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. (MJK)

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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    The Establishment Clause prohibits it.

    Understanding it should be simple and unmissable.
    &quot;Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.&quot;<br /><br />- John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton

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    no matter what has brought up this outcome, any good intention enforced on a large scale never works out in the (very) long run, what was valuable backthen cannot not apply today - reality changes... the US constitition is a excellemt tool but the founders have made some mistakes when drafting it. Such as this one.

    because it is about favoring a belief system, over another one... and then other religious groups set in and demand too their own day of prayers fitting their textbooks/orientation... and it goes on and on... conflicts guarrantted around the corner

    All the money that exists cannot buy Earth, and the evidence is that we destroy our habitat as a result, thinking that we can just seize and pillage as we see fit. If crowds endorse the pursuit of wealth at their own level, they cannot prevent multinationals from doing exactly the same. The “dystopian endless growth paradigm” is going to end with a bang but will open the door to a premise endorsing that Earth is the only wealth we truly have while journeying through life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singular_me
    no matter what has brought up this outcome, any good intention enforced on a large scale never works out in the (very) long run, what was valuable backthen cannot not apply today - reality changes... the US constitition is a excellemt tool but the founders have made some mistakes when drafting it. Such as this one.

    because it is about favoring a belief system, over another one... and then other religious groups set in and demand too their own day of prayers fitting their textbooks/orientation... and it goes on and on... conflicts guarrantted around the corner

    The Constitution is fine and the founders didnt make mistakes drafting it up. Its the advent of socialism thats the cancer.
    Marxism or socialism and even communism wasnt around when America was founded. Look at the whole world before saying the founders made mistakes. America, even the world, is changing because of socialism, not from a mistake made 200 years ago.
    Social Security is American socialism and you participate in it. Social Security is not unconstitutional because it doesnt have any mandatory clause in it to force you participate, but yet you do. You pay federal taxes because you participate in Social Security.
    Socialism is swallowing up England, a kingship, as much as America. Socialism/communism is taking everything over because people are lazy and greedy. People want something for nothing and once they tasted fruits of socialism by taking from one to give to another they wanted more, but were unaware of the consequences.
    If you want to see how socialism works world wide google "International Labor Organization". Understand what this organization really is, its origin is of communism (ussr). All countries that participate in that organization are hit with heavy progressive taxes, loss of private property ownership (dont pay your property taxes and see what happens to your house, farm, business that you mortgaged your life for) and indebtness.

    You can pray silently without any day of prayer and no one will know.
    I find it odd that you would reply in such a thread when you yourself do not beleive in the prayer, but hidden triangle symbolism that puts satan over God.

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    The Constitution is fine and the founders didnt make mistakes drafting it up. Its the advent of socialism thats the cancer.
    Marxism or socialism and even communism wasnt around when America was founded. Look at the whole world before saying the founders made mistakes. America, even the world, is changing because of socialism, not from a mistake made 200 years ago.
    I am willing to bet that the founders knew about the dangers of dictatorship and the mechanisms allowing as how it emerges.. scoalism being fascism after all .


    All the money that exists cannot buy Earth, and the evidence is that we destroy our habitat as a result, thinking that we can just seize and pillage as we see fit. If crowds endorse the pursuit of wealth at their own level, they cannot prevent multinationals from doing exactly the same. The “dystopian endless growth paradigm” is going to end with a bang but will open the door to a premise endorsing that Earth is the only wealth we truly have while journeying through life.

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    What business do Christians have joining in a day of prayer with non-Christians? (No offense intended, Ken )

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and

    what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what

    agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and

    I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the

    unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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    The Constitution is fine and the founders didnt make mistakes drafting it up. Its the advent of socialism thats the cancer.
    Marxism or socialism and even communism wasnt around when America was founded.
    You're right that communism wasn't around when America was founded. However, I'll argue that America was re-founded after the civil war due to the implementation of the Reconstruction amendments as well as the 14th Amendment. One of the reasons for L.B. Bork naming his book "The Red Amendment" is that it was a vehicle to implement communism in America. The Communist Manifesto was written in 1848...plently of time for it to reach America and for its ideas to reach the U.S.
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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by greenbear
    What business do Christians have joining in a day of prayer with non-Christians? (No offense intended, Ken )

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and

    what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what

    agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and

    I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the

    unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    Your right of course.
    and no offence taken

    But I think it's crazy the way these Judges think they know better than the writers of the Constitution.
    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." T.J.

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. (MJK)

    Silence is Treason!

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    I agree, Ken. It's just another indication of the course our nation is taking. It brings a tear to the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singular_me
    The Constitution is fine and the founders didnt make mistakes drafting it up. Its the advent of socialism thats the cancer.
    Marxism or socialism and even communism wasnt around when America was founded. Look at the whole world before saying the founders made mistakes. America, even the world, is changing because of socialism, not from a mistake made 200 years ago.
    I am willing to get that the founders knew about the dangers of dictatorship and the mechanisms allowing as how it emerges.. scoalism being fascism after all .


    Doubt it.
    Back then you had nothing but kings ruling and claiming all parts of the world. Spanish empire, french empire, english empire, german empire and so on. Russia was even a kingship until the bulshevic jews murder Nicholas and his german wife to bring in communism.

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