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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    thanks saul...i agree...

    the ACLJ is gonna fight this decision to the end.

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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    See........there your MO............anything to try and justify socialism by coding it......altruism?
    sorry it ia a mayor tenet of socialism , people feel gulty of having a good life and sgree with wealth redistrtibion - enforcing altruism has conseuquences...

    altruisn isnt bad per se when helping out his neighbor... a person in the need whom he knows directly... otherwise it is unworkable

    Altruism has its boundaries, all it takes is to be aware of it. Education.

    an overdosis of good leads to evil
    an overdosis of evil leads to good

    duality princiles... nothing os neither entirely good nor evil

    to avoid extreme consequences comes down to make sure that too much good/evil never crosses the fine line, all of which can be addressed when giving equals recieving A profit based society is not viable in the long run becaiuse of that One always end up with more takers/givers on one side of the spectrum.

    the proof? the western world is the BIGGEST donor..




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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by singular_me
    See........there your MO............anything to try and justify socialism by coding it......altruism?
    sorry it ia a mayor tenet of socialism , people feel gulty of having a good life and sgree with wealth redistrtibion - enforcing altruism has conseuquences...
    (I've never ever heard of any hard working person ever claim they feel guilty of working towards a good life ever. It even makes them feel even better when they share it with others who appreciate the effort. Thats not socialism......thats love. Whats socialism is when one feels another should give for anothers selfishness and laziness. The two are at opposite ends. You cannot mix oil with water............not even in betweendto they mix. One taints the other.......there is no inbetween of coexistence.)

    altruisn isnt bad per se when helping out his neighbor... a person in the need whom he knows directly... otherwise it is unworkable


    Altruism has its boundaries, all it takes is to be aware of it. Education.

    an overdosis of good leads to evil
    (how can anything good ever lead to anything evil? its an impossibility)
    an overdosis of evil leads to good
    ( how does usery ever lead to anything good? and again an impossibility. How does too much murder lead to righteousness? How does too much usery lead to righteousness?
    You are trying to fit square pegs into round holes.............doesnt fit except in a murderous marxist mind)


    duality princiles... nothing os neither entirely good nor evil
    (Really, so God is a God of evil?)

    to avoid extreme consequences comes down to make sure that too much good/evil never crosses the fine line, all of which can be addressed when giving equals recieving A profit based society is not viable in the long run becaiuse of that One always end up with more takers/givers on one side of the spectrum.
    (huh?)





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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    God's principles ate about harmony, and respecting balance, all the universe works like that.

    Nature inerrupts harmony as well when there is a flood, earhquake, tornado, etc... what it means here is that Nature too struggles to remain balanced constantly,


    (I've never ever heard of any hard working person ever claim they feel guilty of working towards a good life ever. It even makes them feel even better when they share it with others who appreciate the effort. Thats not socialism..
    That is what I say more or less when altruism helps directly neighbors and relatives in the need. Altruism iis encouraged.

    But you have to look a the BIG picture, charities and big government programs are successful because people consent to wealth redistribution, feel right about taxation because they think their $$ will be used rightfukky to help out others,i f they accept that its because they UNCONSOUSLY feel kinda guilty to earn more, that life is unfair to so many out there... that is the psychology behind nternational socialsm. They show you images of people sufferring and poor... all of wich coerces compassion. Coercing compassion = making people feel guily

    In the meantime, they help evil prosper. Try to explain this to them and you will be seen as UNcharitable and selfish. They would easily brand you as a person with no heart. This accusation comes from unconscious guilt. That's the trouble with enforced altruism. It is a double edged sword.

    (how can anything good ever lead to anything evil? its an impossibility)
    look at international socialism and all the charities coercing money out of people. Welfare government programs. It has disastrous effects. That is why people dont see the anything wrong with the money printing press..


    how does usery ever lead to anything good? and again an impossibility. How does too much murder lead to righteousness? How does too much usery lead to righteousness?You are trying to fit square pegs into round holes.............doesnt fit except in a murderous marxist mind)
    because people eventually wake up, understand the evil perpetrated and react to it when they are too squeezed. Then a revolution becomes necessary. Unfortunately the cycle of too much evil repeats itself because masses dont grasp the psychology, enforced good intentions is the core issue..

    Harmony finds itsel in equal giving and recieving. How hard is it to grasp this. A profit based society has always led to wars over resources, if history is any indication. If one wishes to fix this with real solutions thats the way to look at it.

    How does it come that the IMF packages are today the norm, and that bailing out busines to big to fail tolerated by the masses? Because the powers that be convince them that it is for their own good. Thats the tyranny of good intentions. Governments have always used the same tactics for about millennia. Because people never seem to get is, global socialism is about to take over. .

    Getting rid of socislism-marxism-globalism will require that people understand the Laws Of Balance first. In biology when cells dont cooperate equally according to their functions' assignment anymore will cause illnesses ... when a star dies its because hydrogen can no longer be produced due to an unbalanced atomic interaction... .same for societies.

    spirituality, philosophy, sciences and economics will have to merge at some point for the betterment of Mankind.
    All the money that exists cannot buy Earth, and the evidence is that we destroy our habitat as a result, thinking that we can just seize and pillage as we see fit. If crowds endorse the pursuit of wealth at their own level, they cannot prevent multinationals from doing exactly the same. The “dystopian endless growth paradigm” is going to end with a bang but will open the door to a premise endorsing that Earth is the only wealth we truly have while journeying through life.

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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by singular_me
    God's principles ate about harmony, and respecting balance, all the universe works like that.

    Nature inerrupts harmony as well when there is a flood, earhquake, tornado, etc... what it means here is that Nature too struggles to remain balanced constantly,


    (I've never ever heard of any hard working person ever claim they feel guilty of working towards a good life ever. It even makes them feel even better when they share it with others who appreciate the effort. Thats not socialism..
    That is what I say more or less when altruism helps directly neighbors and elatives in the need. Altruism iis encouraged.

    But you have to look a the BIG picture, charities and big government programs (Theres your problem. Charities are not big government and the two should be look at the same. Big government never works and never has.)are successful (big government taking away from one to give to greedy and lazy is not successful)because people consent to wealth redistribution (charities are not wealth redistrubution), feel right (Feel right?? havent looked at the news lately with all the tea parties going around?) about taxation because they think their $$ will be used rightfukky to help out others (everybody knows the lazy do not deserve what is not theirs. I've never met anyone who works say they feel they should work even harder give away to someone who is not willing to help themselves. God doesnt even help those who will not help themselves!), f they accept that its because they UNCONSOUSLY feel kinda guilty to earn more (Huh? that makes no sense at all) , that life is unfair to so many out there (I've never ever heard of anyone who's worked hard and thought they ... that is the psychology behind nternational socialsm(no .....if you want to look at international the psychology of socialism study the lazy, greedy traits of stalin, lennin and carl marx). They show you images of people sufferring and poor... all of wich coerces compassion. Coercing compassion = making people feel guily (You just described what they call "manipulation" (a form of lying)and if the lazy prefer to be lazy let them, its their choice. They still have no right to take from one to give to another).

    In the meantime, they help evil prosper (no, people who give freely do not let evil prosper. Those like you that spread socialism at gun point let evil prosper).Try to explain this to them and you will be seen as UNcharitable and selfish. (That doesnt bother me. I consider the source. I'm not to enable laziness nor wickedness. Theres a passage that God addresses to his children about being lazy. He says not to be an enabler.............dont feed them! They will eventually get to feed themselves) They would easily brand you as a person with no heart. (Again so what. I will not enable the wicked and lazy) This accusation comes from unconscious guilt. (Coming from a mentally disturbed socialist like you you are gonna stand there and be a doctor now......chuckle chuckle chuckle.....)That's the trouble with enforced altruism. It is a double edged sword. ( Nope, the double edged sword is the truth.........not a psycopath socialist opinion.)

    (how can anything good ever lead to anything evil? its an impossibility)
    look at international socialism and all the charities coercing money out of people. (socialism forces money from people not charities) Welfare government programs. It has disastrous effects. (yep they do have disastrious effects and there you are promoting it and defending it) That is why people dont see the anything wrong with the money printing press.. (huh)


    how does usery ever lead to anything good? and again an impossibility. How does too much murder lead to righteousness? How does too much usery lead to righteousness?You are trying to fit square pegs into round holes.............doesnt fit except in a murderous marxist mind)
    because people eventually wake up, understand the evil perpetrated and react to it when they are too squeezed. Then a revolution becomes necessary.(just like a bolshevic revolution with the disastrious effect it had on now millions of murdered people) Unfortunately the cycle of too much evil repeats itself because masses dont grasp the psychology, enforced good intentions is the core issue..(so why are you defending socialism)

    Harmony finds itsel in equal giving and recieving. How hard is it to grasp this. A profit based society has always led to wars over resources, if history is any indication. If one wishes to fix this with real solutions thats the way to look at it.
    (greed is the problem and greed is the heart of socialism)

    How does it come that the IMF packages are today the norm, and that bailing out busines to big to fail tolerated by the masses? Because the powers that be convince them that it is for their own good. Thats the tyranny of good intentions. Governments have always used the same tactics for about millennia. Because people never seem to get is, global socialism is about to take over. . (so why are you promoting and defending socialism instead of the Laws of God that forbids such action?)

    Getting rid of socislism-marxism-globalism will require that people understand the Laws Of Balance first. (no getting rid of global socialism-marxism would be to obey Gods Commandments and Laws) In biology when cells dont cooperate equally according to their functions' assignment anymore will cause illnesses ... when a star dies its because hydrogen can no longer be produced due to an unbalanced atomic interaction... .same for societies. ( a real bad analogy to compare apples to oranges)

    spirituality, philosophy, sciences and economics will have to merge at some point for the betterment of Mankind. (more of your unbased opinion)

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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    But you have to look a the BIG picture, charities and big government programs (Theres your problem. Charities are not big government and the two should be look at the same. Big government never works and never has.)are successful (big government taking away from one to give to greedy and lazy is not successful)because people consent to wealth redistribution (charities are not wealth redistrubution), feel right (Feel right?Huh?? havent looked at the news lately with all the tea parties going around?) about taxation because they think their $$ will be used rightfukky to help out others (everybody knows the lazy do not deserve what is not theirs. I've never met anyone who works say they feel they should work even harder give away to someone who is not willing to help themselves. God doesnt even help those who will not help themselves!), f they accept that its

    I can see that you wont dare address the dual nature of altruism... that is your problem. Things will bet worse before they get better - and indviduals have to understand that enforcing good intentions ends up like an S&m GAME... in which the victim is consenting to be hurt.

    It is like people here who see me as a satan worhiper but still continue to pay their taxes... it is not oing to end well.

    All the money that exists cannot buy Earth, and the evidence is that we destroy our habitat as a result, thinking that we can just seize and pillage as we see fit. If crowds endorse the pursuit of wealth at their own level, they cannot prevent multinationals from doing exactly the same. The “dystopian endless growth paradigm” is going to end with a bang but will open the door to a premise endorsing that Earth is the only wealth we truly have while journeying through life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singular_me

    It is like people here who see me as a satan worshiper...


    Don't be so hard on yourself Goldissima...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singular_me
    But you have to look a the BIG picture, charities and big government programs (Theres your problem. Charities are not big government and the two should be look at the same. Big government never works and never has.)are successful (big government taking away from one to give to greedy and lazy is not successful)because people consent to wealth redistribution (charities are not wealth redistrubution), feel right (Feel right?Huh?? havent looked at the news lately with all the tea parties going around?) about taxation because they think their $$ will be used rightfukky to help out others (everybody knows the lazy do not deserve what is not theirs. I've never met anyone who works say they feel they should work even harder give away to someone who is not willing to help themselves. God doesnt even help those who will not help themselves!), f they accept that its

    I can see that you wont dare address the dual nature of altruism... that is you problem. Things will bet worse before they get better - and indviduals understand that enforcing good intention ends up like an S&m GAME... in which the victim is consenting to be hurt.

    It is like people here who see me as a satan worhippers but still continue to pay their taxes... it is not oing to end well.

    Charities is not socialism. Charity is a gift, not theft like that of socialism. The two are on different platues on the opposite spectrum.
    Noboby is forcing anybody to give to charity where as socialism is. A dare of what? Theres a big difference so no I will not address any dualarity because none exists. Socialism didnt come to being because people were giving in excess charity.
    Socialism came about because of tyrantical murders like carl marx and joseph lennin who are power greedy kenites.
    Their socialistic ideals could not and does not survive unless forced upon a people to support the top that feeds from the bottom. The top does not and cannot support the top in a greedy socialist society. Greed never satisfies greed and is the opposite of charity.
    Theres nothing to daringly address.

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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

    Just wanted to paste this, little, but true story about socialism and why it never works.

    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had
    never failed a single student before, but had once failed an entire class.

    That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one
    would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor
    then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan.
    All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade
    so no one would fail and no one would receive an A."

    After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
    students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little
    were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied
    little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they
    wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was
    a D! No one was happy.

    When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. The scores never
    increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings
    and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their
    great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also
    ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is
    great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or
    want to succeed.

    Could not be any simpler than that.

    We can argue over and over again but this story can be related in just about any scenario including this thread.

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    Re: National Day of Prayer Unconstitutional, Judge Rules

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    WASHINGTON (RNS) A federal district judge in Wisconsin has ruled that the 1988 law creating the annual observance of the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional.

    "It goes beyond mere 'acknowledgement' of religion because its sole purpose is to encourage all citizens to engage in prayer, an inherently religious exercise that serves no secular function in this context," U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb ruled Thursday (April 15).



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