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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    The Revolutionary Jew and His Impact on World History

    by E. Michael Jones




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    OR read the book:

    http://www.culturewars.com/Reviews/JRSAd2.pdf

    I have read about half of it, but have not picked it up in months.


    E. Michael Jones and Robert Sungenis are two of the most prolific writers about the jews in Catholic circles. Robert Sunenis has come under attack by some Catholics for his views.
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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    BigJon,

    I already posted links to TPATC a number of times, even in the original OP:
    Quote Originally Posted by Awoke
    I will be relying heavily on a text entitled "The Plot against the church" by Maurice Pinay for three reasons:
    1) I have read it in it's entireity, and studied it more than most books I have read
    2) There is an online version that interested parties can refer to themselves, even though you should really purchase a hard copy
    3) The sources are irrefutable, from both jew and non-jew alike, reaching back from the time of Christ forward to 1962.
    But thank you for posting. Especially for the other links in your post!

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    The Revolutionary Jew and His Impact on World History

    by E. Michael Jones




    <Too long to post. Follow the link>

    OR read the book:

    http://www.culturewars.com/Reviews/JRSAd2.pdf

    I have read about half of it, but have not picked it up in months.


    E. Michael Jones and Robert Sungenis are two of the most prolific writers about the jews in Catholic circles. Robert Sunenis has come under attack by some Catholics for his views.
    Thanks for the links!

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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    Regarding the 5th Column

    Quote Originally Posted by TPATC, Part 4, Chapter 28

    ...in the Middle Ages the Hebrew origin, recent or remote, of many false Christians was still remembered. This permitted the clergy, monarchs and aristocrats to trace the Jewish origin of these revolts and these sects. But, as centuries passed, the origin of these families was forgotten. They, for their part, did everything possible to erase the memory of their Jewish descent until one fine day nobody suspected that, under the appearance of a pious Christian, was concealed an undercover Jew who conspired constantly against Church and State. And who never missed an opportunity to organize revolts and conspiracies, which, in such circumstances appear to spring from the people themselves and to be internecine wars between members of the same nation, while being in fact real wars inflicted upon an people invaded in the worst manner, against disguised invaders, deliberately utilizing for this purpose a large portion of the same people caught in the nets of the fifth columns by clever revolutionary plans. Very fine programs with which they make their future victims believe that, by helping them, they are labouring for their own betterment and that they are fighting for the improvement of their political, social and religious institutions.

    This has been the deception of all the crypto-Jewish subversive movements since the 11th Century and until our times; and this has also been the cause of the victories of the Israelite deceivers and swindlers, in guise of being sincere redeemers of the people, saviours of the nation or reformers of the churches. Initiating a revolution with the highest and noblest ends in view in order to take it later into the most perverse objectives, has been the traditional tactics of Judaism for nine hundred years. Naturally, these unwary people, entrapped by the deceitful leaders and by programs as fake as they are attractive, one day become aware of the criminal deceit, but sometimes this occurs when there is no longer any remedy and the betrayed ones are either annihilated or enslaved, suffering the consequences of their ingenuousness.
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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    Quote Originally Posted by Awoke
    As far as finding a Church that is closest to the original Apostolic Church, that is a quest that I am on as well.
    In the very beginning of the Apostolic church, they were all Jews.... Jesus, the twelve apostles, the 3,000 added to their number on Shavuot, the additional 2,000 after the healing of the cripple... up until Acts 10 there wasn't a single gentile in the fold.

    So if you found a church that consisted of a bunch of Jews that believe in Jesus and continue to worship in the ancient Jewish style, you'd be getting really close. But somehow I think that is not what you are looking for.

    It took hundreds of years to purge the last remnants of Judaism from Christianity. For example, the Resurrection was still celebrated in its proper place (congruent with the Passover celebration) well into the second century (cf. Quartodeciman controversy), and even after Nicaea in some places.

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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    Quote Originally Posted by Awoke
    Regarding the 5th Column

    Quote Originally Posted by TPATC, Part 4, Chapter 28

    ...in the Middle Ages the Hebrew origin, recent or remote, of many false Christians was still remembered. This permitted the clergy, monarchs and aristocrats to trace the Jewish origin of these revolts and these sects. But, as centuries passed, the origin of these families was forgotten. They, for their part, did everything possible to erase the memory of their Jewish descent until one fine day nobody suspected that, under the appearance of a pious Christian, was concealed an undercover Jew who conspired constantly against Church and State. And who never missed an opportunity to organize revolts and conspiracies, which, in such circumstances appear to spring from the people themselves and to be internecine wars between members of the same nation, while being in fact real wars inflicted upon an people invaded in the worst manner, against disguised invaders, deliberately utilizing for this purpose a large portion of the same people caught in the nets of the fifth columns by clever revolutionary plans. Very fine programs with which they make their future victims believe that, by helping them, they are labouring for their own betterment and that they are fighting for the improvement of their political, social and religious institutions.

    This has been the deception of all the crypto-Jewish subversive movements since the 11th Century and until our times; and this has also been the cause of the victories of the Israelite deceivers and swindlers, in guise of being sincere redeemers of the people, saviours of the nation or reformers of the churches. Initiating a revolution with the highest and noblest ends in view in order to take it later into the most perverse objectives, has been the traditional tactics of Judaism for nine hundred years. Naturally, these unwary people, entrapped by the deceitful leaders and by programs as fake as they are attractive, one day become aware of the criminal deceit, but sometimes this occurs when there is no longer any remedy and the betrayed ones are either annihilated or enslaved, suffering the consequences of their ingenuousness.
    Please be careful, once a Jew sincerely converts to Christianity he/she is no longer a Jew (though they may relate to Jeiwsh "culture"). Remember who the apostles evangilized first (largely because of circumstance), and who they were (they were Jews previous to becoming Christians). Remember there is neither jew nor gentile, man nor woman, etc. I can see this becoming racist rather than a religious/theological issue.

    E. Michael Jones writes a lot about the error of forced baptism in Spain which led to a lot of insincere Christians in his book on the Revolutionary Jew.
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    "What is 'is'?"

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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnQPublic
    Please be careful, once a Jew sincerely converts to Christianity he/she is no longer a Jew (though they may relate to Jeiwsh "culture"). Remember who the apostles evangilized first (largely because of circumstance), and who they were (they were Jews previous to becoming Christians). Remember there is neither jew nor gentile, man nor woman, etc. I can see this becoming racist rather than a religious/theological issue.

    E. Michael Jones writes a lot about the error of forced baptism in Spain which led to a lot of insincere Christians in his book on the Revolutionary Jew.
    What makes you think Jews stop being Jews when they believe in Jesus?

    By that logic, using the same Scripture reference you quoted, since I believe in Jesus I am no longer a man? Are all believers hermaphrodites?

    Paul self-identified as a Jew and a Pharisee till the end of the book of Acts. Was he confused? Mistaken? Lying?

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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awoke
    Regarding the 5th Column

    Quote Originally Posted by TPATC, Part 4, Chapter 28

    ...in the Middle Ages the Hebrew origin, recent or remote, of many false Christians was still remembered. This permitted the clergy, monarchs and aristocrats to trace the Jewish origin of these revolts and these sects. But, as centuries passed, the origin of these families was forgotten. They, for their part, did everything possible to erase the memory of their Jewish descent until one fine day nobody suspected that, under the appearance of a pious Christian, was concealed an undercover Jew who conspired constantly against Church and State. And who never missed an opportunity to organize revolts and conspiracies, which, in such circumstances appear to spring from the people themselves and to be internecine wars between members of the same nation, while being in fact real wars inflicted upon an people invaded in the worst manner, against disguised invaders, deliberately utilizing for this purpose a large portion of the same people caught in the nets of the fifth columns by clever revolutionary plans. Very fine programs with which they make their future victims believe that, by helping them, they are labouring for their own betterment and that they are fighting for the improvement of their political, social and religious institutions.

    This has been the deception of all the crypto-Jewish subversive movements since the 11th Century and until our times; and this has also been the cause of the victories of the Israelite deceivers and swindlers, in guise of being sincere redeemers of the people, saviours of the nation or reformers of the churches. Initiating a revolution with the highest and noblest ends in view in order to take it later into the most perverse objectives, has been the traditional tactics of Judaism for nine hundred years. Naturally, these unwary people, entrapped by the deceitful leaders and by programs as fake as they are attractive, one day become aware of the criminal deceit, but sometimes this occurs when there is no longer any remedy and the betrayed ones are either annihilated or enslaved, suffering the consequences of their ingenuousness.
    Please be careful, once a Jew sincerely converts to Christianity he/she is no longer a Jew (though they may relate to Jeiwsh "culture"). Remember who the apostles evangilized first (largely because of circumstance), and who they were (they were Jews previous to becoming Christians). Remember there is neither jew nor gentile, man nor woman, etc. I can see this becoming racist rather than a religious/theological issue.

    E. Michael Jones writes a lot about the error of forced baptism in Spain which led to a lot of insincere Christians in his book on the Revolutionary Jew.
    The key word being "Sincerely".

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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    Quote Originally Posted by rurounikitsune
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnQPublic
    Please be careful, once a Jew sincerely converts to Christianity he/she is no longer a Jew (though they may relate to Jeiwsh "culture"). Remember who the apostles evangilized first (largely because of circumstance), and who they were (they were Jews previous to becoming Christians). Remember there is neither jew nor gentile, man nor woman, etc. I can see this becoming racist rather than a religious/theological issue.

    E. Michael Jones writes a lot about the error of forced baptism in Spain which led to a lot of insincere Christians in his book on the Revolutionary Jew.
    What makes you think Jews stop being Jews when they believe in Jesus?

    By that logic, using the same Scripture reference you quoted, since I believe in Jesus I am no longer a man? Are all believers hermaphrodites?

    Paul self-identified as a Jew and a Pharisee till the end of the book of Acts. Was he confused? Mistaken? Lying?
    The Catholic Church is the fullfillment of the Abrahamic covenant. The law has been superceded- we are no longer judged by the law. This is our salvation. So, yes, a jew becming a Chrisitan (having salvation though the new covenant) is no longer a jew (being judged by the law). As I said, some "jewish" Christians may still recognize some jewish cultural and/or "racial" considerations. But in a strict sense, the jewish religion ended with the loss of the priesthood. The jewish people can still exist (I know some claim otherwise).
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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    The already mentioned Jewish historian Cecil Roth confirms in his previously quoted work “Storia del Popolo Ebraico”, page 229, Milan 1962, that “... naturally the conversions were for the most part a pretence...” They were baptised and remained nevertheless just as much Jews in secret as before, although they have given themselves Christian names, went to Mass and frivolously received the sacraments. They then used their new position as seeming Christians to set up false teachings, which developed into underground movements. This would have brought about the dissolution of Christianity and secured the rule by Jewry over all peoples, as will be elaborated on later with irrefutable proofs.
    In his celebrated work “History of the Marranos”, Cecil Roth provides some very interesting details about how the Jews, thanks to their apparent but false conversions, entered Christianity and publicly acted as Christians, but all the while secretly held to their Jewish religion. He also shows us how this secret belief was passed on by parents to children, cloaked with the appearance of an outward Christian militancy.

    In his “History of the Marranos”, published by Editorial Israel of Buenos Aires, 1946, Jewish Year 5706, he says:

    “Introduction: The Early Life of Crypto-Jewry. Crypto-Jewry is in its various forms just as old as the Jews themselves. At the time of Greek rule in Palestine, those weak of character attempted to conceal their origin, in order to avoid arousing derision at athletic exercises. Likewise under Roman discipline the evasions increased so as to avoid payment of the special Jewish tax, the ‘Fiscus Judaicus’, which was introduced after the fall of Jerusalem. The historian Suetonius gives a lively report of the indignities that were exercised upon a ninety year old man to establish whether he was a Jew or not.
    It is also evident that these false conversions of Jews in England, far from obtaining for the Church the expected salvation of souls, brought it instead the loss of millions of souls, when the descendants of these false proselytes promoted the Anglican schism.

    There are still other very outstanding cases of false conversions of Jews to Christianity, among them that of the “neofiti” in the south of Italy, as recorded by Cecil Roth, who were persecuted by the Inquisition and of whom many were burned at the stake in Rome.

    It is important to mention the fact that the Inquisition which functioned in Rome was, of course, the Holy Papal Inquisition whose serviceable activity was successful in the Middle Ages in holding up the progress of the apocalyptic beast of the Antichrist for three hundred years.
    He observes how in Byzantium something similar had already happened in the times of Leo the Isaurian, in the year 723, and proves that even in the eighth century of the Christian calendar, i.e. more than two hundred years earlier, the infiltration of the Jews into the bosom of the Church, by means of false conversions had become universal practice from France to Constantinople, from one end of Christian Europe to the other. In this manner there arose alongside Jewry, which openly practised its religion, a subterranean Judaism, whose members were only Christian in appearance.

    Just sayin...
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    Re: Crypto-jewry in the Catholic Church

    Quote Originally Posted by Awoke
    ...Just sayin...

    Was St. Paul a Crypto-Jew?

    Are we to be suspicious of all Christians having any Jewish descent? Where do we draw the line? It is one thing if they are openly promoting Jewish ideas within Christianity (or verifiably in secret), but this can go too far (no I am not of Jewish descent). I'm not arguing against the idea thar there were and may still be crypo-Jews, but how do we distinguish, and how far do you take it?
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