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    Imagine If...Ron Paul was President in 2012

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    RP's foreign policy ideas appeal to me. So do his views on civil liberties. I am sure he will end the wars on terror and drugs, which I consider to be dishonest and tyrannical. I'm sure he will fight tyranny, and restore the constitution to America. And run the government in accordance with traditional American values. All these things about Ron Paul appeal to me.

    I have one significant reservation about RP though. He says he will cut $1 Trillion out of the government budget, and get rid of the Departments of Energy,Commerce, Education and others. Given how much of our economy depends on spending by the US government, a sizable cut like that all at once would cause an instant deflationary depression. The Austrian economics he believes in say that is necessary to clean out the system. It would force all unproductive businesses to go bankrupt, and allow the economy to rebuild itself on a sounder base. But it would create a lot of unemployment. Given that he thinks the government should stay out of peoples' lives, his policy would be like that of Herbert Hoover, who refused to allow the government to help people who were out of work--so it would result in growing disaffection by the unemployed, who could be a significant portion of the population. That could lead to a revolution, depending on the hardship experienced by the population.

    RP says end the Fed. But does he say anything about regulating the big banks that own the Fed? His policy would be to deregulate everything. Including corporations who are either oligopolies or monopolies. One of the worst economic evils any nation faces are unregulated monopolies. And if they are global corporations, it is the worst economic evil faced by the entire planet. Is he going to let big pharma, big oil, big agriculture, and big finance keep ripping us off like they are now doing? Is he going to just leave them alone? And make the government smaller so we, the people, can't stand up to the power of these giants?

    I just wonder how far into the future RP's supporters have thought out the consequences of his policies, and if people are willing to endure those consequences. It would bring great disorder to our lives for a short time perhaps, or if it is botched, for a longer period. Everybody seems to be beguiled by his promise of Peace and Liberty as much as they were with Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change'. We got hope and change now. I am a bit hesitant about what Peace and Liberty involve if they are accompanied by suffering and poverty.

    I hope I'm not offending the more die-hard RP supporters by asking these questions. I'm not trying to undermine RP--he's the best politician out there, but I wish he would tell us what his vision of America in 2015 is if he becomes President. I can already imagine what America will be in 2015 if Obama wins the next election. Maybe we need a revolution.

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    Re: Imagine If...Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatha Sunahara View Post
    RP's foreign policy ideas appeal to me. So do his views on civil liberties. I am sure he will end the wars on terror and drugs, which I consider to be dishonest and tyrannical. I'm sure he will fight tyranny, and restore the constitution to America. And run the government in accordance with traditional American values. All these things about Ron Paul appeal to me.

    I have one significant reservation about RP though. He says he will cut $1 Trillion out of the government budget, and get rid of the Departments of Energy,Commerce, Education and others. Given how much of our economy depends on spending by the US government, a sizable cut like that all at once would cause an instant deflationary depression. The Austrian economics he believes in say that is necessary to clean out the system. It would force all unproductive businesses to go bankrupt, and allow the economy to rebuild itself on a sounder base. But it would create a lot of unemployment. Given that he thinks the government should stay out of peoples' lives, his policy would be like that of Herbert Hoover, who refused to allow the government to help people who were out of work--so it would result in growing disaffection by the unemployed, who could be a significant portion of the population. That could lead to a revolution, depending on the hardship experienced by the population.

    RP says end the Fed. But does he say anything about regulating the big banks that own the Fed? His policy would be to deregulate everything. Including corporations who are either oligopolies or monopolies. One of the worst economic evils any nation faces are unregulated monopolies. And if they are global corporations, it is the worst economic evil faced by the entire planet. Is he going to let big pharma, big oil, big agriculture, and big finance keep ripping us off like they are now doing? Is he going to just leave them alone? And make the government smaller so we, the people, can't stand up to the power of these giants?

    I just wonder how far into the future RP's supporters have thought out the consequences of his policies, and if people are willing to endure those consequences. It would bring great disorder to our lives for a short time perhaps, or if it is botched, for a longer period. Everybody seems to be beguiled by his promise of Peace and Liberty as much as they were with Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change'. We got hope and change now. I am a bit hesitant about what Peace and Liberty involve if they are accompanied by suffering and poverty.

    I hope I'm not offending the more die-hard RP supporters by asking these questions. I'm not trying to undermine RP--he's the best politician out there, but I wish he would tell us what his vision of America in 2015 is if he becomes President. I can already imagine what America will be in 2015 if Obama wins the next election. Maybe we need a revolution.

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    I think the way the big corps remain monopolies is because of government. A good book that touches on this is Tom Woods "rollback". I think if government got out of picking winners and losers a true free market would keep these things in check. Our system of crony capitalism fosters the monopolies.

    They use the regulations in their favor and are mostly written by the corps or lobbyists for the corps.
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    Re: Imagine If...Ron Paul

    This comes to mind....

    "Is it really a crime to report that the government is committing a crime?"

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    Re: Imagine If...Ron Paul

    My 'Imagine' question is about the emergency powers and all the executive orders? Would he sign or not?
    "Is it really a crime to report that the government is committing a crime?"

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    Re: Imagine If...Ron Paul

    Hatha, very good questions. The regulations hurt small businesses who could be a boon by employing local people therefore stimulating business locally.

    As you well know big business works with government to create regulations that squeeze out little guys thus leading to dependencies on their services and then straining local safety nets.

    It used to be if someone was polluting your property or causing you a damage you would sue them directly instead of some .gov agency therefor collecting your compensation rather than the .gov and you getting a small amount or nothing.

    It really will come down to consumers making wise decisions for themselves when dealing with products whether investment or other wise and if damaged by those decisions figuring out if one would have damage that could be proven.

    Peace and liberty are the freedom to fail or to succeed.

    Hope that made some sense.

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    There is some ironic foreshadowing in that should Paul get (s)elected president an enormous depression would follow, possibly leading to revolution (also known as civil war). He did write a book called The Revolution: A Manifesto.

    A buddy of mine that moved to the US about 10 years ago and did not know about RP adamantly believes that should he win, then this is what the PTB desire.

    The John Birch Society swooning is a big red flag. As is the Paul's big money supporter, Peter Theil, who attends Bilderberg for crying out loud.

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    Re: Imagine If...Ron Paul

    Hatha I think a big chunk of those 1 Trillion Ron Paul is planning on cutting from the budget is destined to go to big corporations... I do agree though it will cause a significant deflationary depression doing the cuts, but it will free up a lot of capital, that could be used for investments after the plunge, in new area's which were not dependent on government handouts...

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    The alternative is to have .gov protections to protect yourself from your own bad choices for a portion of your labor eventually that service and it's accompanying burden becomes so great that those who produce grow weary and revolt anyway.When you add in democratic voting by non-producers for entitlements that portion grows along with the resentment of both sides.

    Revolution will come either way.

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