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    Strategic Relocation: Joel Skousen

    Partial list, name a state and I'll post it.

    California
    Skousen's rating: 1 out of 5 stars.

    Every climate can be found in California. There is an oceanic climate in the north with temperate weather and heavier moisture, there is a mediterranian climate south of San Francisco. The inland valleys are warm and humid. The eastern part of the state is arid and dry. California averages 5 tornadoes per year. Average rainfall is 33 inches int he north, but only 13 inches in the south. There is good soil in the Central Valley but stay away from depleted soils on the big farms.
    The cost of living is very high, land availability is fair with 42% of land government owned, including most of the best forests. Water quality is fair to poor in the largest cities and from wells in the Central Valley. Only 27% of municipal water systems fluoridate due to, ironically, "not enough funding". This is ironic considering that CA has some of the highest taxes in the nation (ranked 6th highest) and they are only assumed to get higher. Corruption is very high, crime is also high (mostly violent crime, the property crime seems about average).
    The gun liberty is terrible. It is a "may issue" state that is basically "no issue" depending on the sheriff's office. There is no permit to purchase firearms but many types of weapons are banned, including any rifle with a magazine. (Its an "assault weapon" you know).
    On the upside, you shouldn't have any problem getting a naturopath. They are licensed in CA and are (surprise!) highly regulated. Direct entry midwives are legal and licensed.

    One of the downsides of CA is there are a lot of military bases there, and as dozens of movies have already eluded, California is and will always be a very popular target for attack or falling into the sea from an earthquake or whatever. But the icing on the cake just has to be that the LA Basin has a population density of 7,000 people per square mile. The Bay Area weighs in at a not too shabby 1000 people per square mile. (And here I was feeling all depressed that Ohio had 280 people per square mile!). With all of the weapons restrictions, it will be difficult to defend yourself. And ever since their Supreme Court overturned the citizen initiative to cut off welfare to illiegals, there has been a huge neon sign over the state that says "Illegals Come Here!". Not only is there gang problems here but they have also formed political organizations such as Aztlan, La Raza and Mecha intent on turning CA into another beautiful Mexico, because hey, it was so great, they left(!).
    But wait, there's more! Let's say you don't care about future threats and you just want to live somewhere where its beautiful, nice weather most of the year. CA is still insanely expensive, even though housing prices have fallen one third from boom highs. CA is so overly regulated, that (in Skousen's words) its a costly nightmare to navigate for businesses and individuals. There is a regulatory agency for everything. I can say from experience in the automotive coatings industry that we have to deal with at least three different air quality agencies to make sure our products are legal for sale in CA (and what ingredients are legal to use can vary from city to city, sheesh!).
    With all that, Skousen still considers the landscape to be some of the most beautiful in the nation and the Central Valley some of the most productive land in the nation.
    Obviously, he considers the high population densities (and their high welfare component) to make California unsafe as a retreat location but he still recommends some areas as retreat locations. He recommends the counties of Humbolt and Trinity. The Clear Lake area (and north of it) he also recommends. From Ukiah on north there is good retreat potential as long as you stay east of Hwy 101 to avoid Fort Bragg. He also recommends the Scotts Valley area near the town of Etna. He also recommends Quincy, and east of Oroville and Paradise. Lastly, he recommends east of Placerville, West Point and East Sonora.

    Florida
    Skousen's rating: 0
    "Hawaii and Florida are the only two states that rate a zero rating. They are very vulnerable to almost any threat. Florida is totally unsafe, even in the short term. It is subject to tornadoes, thunderstorms and hurricanes. Corruption is strong, crime is very high and there is a high density population that is totally unprepared for any significant crisis.
    The best exit routes involve a large, fast boat. There is no high ground. Even if you wanted to build a safe room and disappear there are few places high enough to get out of the shallow water table. When electricity is gone, the heat and bugs of this climate will be very uncomfortable to live in.
    There is no terrain cover. This means you and everyone else will be waiting for your crops to ripen."

    Water is polluted above the national average. 68% of the water is fluoridated. 80 midwives are licensed to practice in the state.

    On a plus side, the taxes are low.

    There is no permit to purchase firearms. "Shall issue" state for concealed firearm licenses. No open carry allowed.

    As for Jacksonville, DFR was wise to rule out that area. Skousen states, "This is one of the most dangerous cities in Florida. There are multiple military targets and high crime potential. The only safe strategy is to locate outside the 295 Beltway corridor to the west, preferably north of I-10. But there aren't many rural roads leading north to Georgia. Best exit strategies, hwy 2/94 or 23/1.

    Best retreat areas: There is farm and ranch country in central Florida and the panhandle, but even these do not offer much privacy unless surrounded by tall, dense overgrowth.

    He reminds us that if you are building a retreat from scratch in a hurricane prone area you will have to use reinforced concrete. By my thinking, if you have the money, it might not be a bad idea to apply that advice anywhere.

    Virginia
    Skousen's rating: 2 out of 5 stars.

    Virginia has 3 different climates. Most add up to hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It will get warmer and more humid the farther south and east you go. There will still be some snow. The Chesapeake Bay area is vulnerable to hurricanes. It averages 7 tornados and 43 inches of rain per year. The hill country is harder to grow crops than the flatlands (due to acidic soil). 94% of the drinking water is fluoridated.
    The population density is 200 people per square mile.
    Cost of living is below average, taxes are average, corruption is lower than average (not counting DC, see the "no-go" note above), crime is average (again, not for DC, do not go there!).
    No permit is required to purchase firearms. "Shall issue" state for concealed weapons permits. Open carry is permitted, even in a car. A permit, issued by a circuit court, is required to carry a concealed handgun. Forget about carrying a gun in DC.
    Alternative medicine is discouraged by medical practice laws but usually not prosecuted. Licensing is available for midwives, again, forget about DC.
    Home schooling is moderately regulated.

    Skousen states: The Blue Ridge Mountains are part of the Appalachian chain and filled with state parks and public scenic areas. The Ridge and Valley region is just west of these mountains and includes the Great Appalachian Valley. The Cumberland Plateau and the Cumberland Mountains are in the SW corner. There are also more than 4000 caves in the hills and mountains in Virginia, with 10 open for tourism. These last three regions form the best areas for retreats in VA, excluding the northern mountainous area east of DC where the govt has several bunkers which are all primary targets.
    Basically there are two Virginias. Northern VA which is dominated by govt agencies. And Southern VA, which still maintains some of its southern manners.
    Police in Virginia have a good reputation for fairness, except in and around Arlington where judicial corruption also takes place.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen doesn't recommend any of the rural or mountainous areas north of a line from Fredricksburg to Front Royal in the western foothills. All of these areas will quickly flood with refugees fleeing the DC metro area someday. The best retreat areas are west of a line from Culpeper, Charlottesville and Lynchburg heading south along the Blue Ridge Mts. Security increases with each successive ridge you put between yourself and the flatland. You can even get into the Cumberland Plateau while still in VA. Unfortunately, the best and safest areas of the state taper off to nothing at the western end, but it is not heavily populated, so there is some safety there. Because all of VA is susceptible to having to cope with refugees from the major population centers, be sure and follow the recommendations about building your retreat behind plenty of tree cover and away from major roads.

    Idaho
    Skousen's rating: 5 of 5 stars.
    Climate: High desert in southern Idaho and central mountains. Pacific maritime climate north of Lewiston. Population density is low, cost of living is below average, but private land availability is poor, 66% of land is owned by government, including most of the best forests and mountain land.
    Food production is good only with irrigation. There are highly productive farms in the Snake River Valley from Payette to Burley. Average rainfall is 18in/yr in north and only 12 in/yr in the south. Water quality is good where fed by mountain springs. Half the state's water is fluoridated.
    Has 13th highest taxes in nation. Crime rate is low. Corruption is low. Personal liberty is high. Gun liberty is excellent. Open carry without a permit, including cars.
    Very good availability of naturopaths. Midwives are licensed by the state.
    Skousen has a whole page devoted to possible retreat areas in Idaho. That means a lot. He says the best are north of Coeur D'Alene, although the influx of Californians has driven up land prices.
    He also recommends Long Valley, Sun Valley, Swan Valley, Teton Valley, Bonner County (Sandpoint), Boundary county and Idaho County. He recommends you do not buy anything on Indian lands.

    Pennsylvania
    Skousen's rating: 2.5 out of 5 stars.
    It averages about 10 tornadoes per year and 42 inches of rain. Climate is hot and humid with cold winters.
    Cost of living is average, land availability and food production are good (except in mountains where sunlight may be blocked). Skousen states that taxes are high, being 11th highest in nation, with sales tax being 6%, but I thought there was no sales tax in PA. (can someone verify this who lives there?)
    54% of water is fluoridated.
    Corruption and crime are high, particularly in Philadelphia (ironically, the city of brotherly love).
    No permit to purchase firearms is required. "Shall issue" state for concealed carry permits. Open carry permitted except in Philly. Weapons sales must be through a gun dealer and transactions are recorded by the state.
    Natural health practitioners are free to practice. Lay midwifery is prohibited. Home schooling is highly regulated.

    Pennsylvania has numerous river and mountainous obstacles that will tend to funnel refugees into the main corridors. The high traffic portion of PA (I-80 and below) can expect overwhelming numbers of people fleeing the east coast someday. When refugee travel is halted, the communities nearest to these corridors will suffer the most. Because of this, Skousen contends that the northern parts of PA will survive better, in what he calls the medium term.

    He considers north central PA to offer the best retreat areas in the state, particularly the area north of I-80, in between Hwy 220 and Oil City/Titusville. Private land backing up to a state forest is ideal (for PA). He recommends you stay at least 5 miles north of I-80 and 10 miles from any exit.

    Kentucky
    Skousen's rating: 3 of 5 stars.
    Kentucky averages 9 tornados a year. Cost of living is very low, ranked second least expensive state. It has good land availability, only 3.5% of land is state of federally owned. The growing season is 150-210 days, a little less in the mountains. It receives about 48 inches per year of rainfall. 99% of all water is fluoridated. The taxes are average (ranked 25th highest). Crime is below average. Gun liberty is good, no permit for purchase, "shall issue" state for concealed permits, open carry state including in cars. Natural health practioners are free to practice but lay midwifery is prohibited.

    Skousen states that Kentucky is a state with good retreat geography and terrain (like Tennessee) but with none of the benefits of low taxes. It is also is too close to Eastern population centers. Corruption is very high but crime is low. Coal production is mostly concentrated in all the eastern mountain counties, but there are some counties on the west side that also have large coal deposits. Land in these counties is cheap because all the mineral rights have been sold off, which could mean significant disruption to your land if you settle there.

    The best retreat sites are in the eastern Kentucky mountains. It is all coal country and has been severely depressed financially since coal has been strangled by environmental regulations. There is lots of private land available here with water courses and forestation is heavy, but you will have to watch for pollution from mining as well as the uncertainty of not owning the mineral rights to your property.

    In the western half of the states it is possible to find some farm land backed up to forested areas (use google maps to help guide you) as long as you make sure you are not near or within sight of a major refugee path (secondary roads).

    Montana
    Skousen's rating: 4.5 out of 5.
    The climate is dry east of the Rockies. The northwest corner gets the most precipitation. Food production is poor, due to dryness. Dry land farms and ranches are more common. The population density is very low. Taxes are low. There is no sales tax. Water quality is excellent where fed from mountain springs, only fair where fed from wells. Gun liberty is excellent. No permit to purchase, "shall issue" state for concealed firearm permits. Open carry is allowed in the state, including cars. There is very good availability of alternative medicine. Much of the best land in the forests and mountains is federally owned.

    Western Montana is where the best retreat sites are located, but there is a significant tension between the liberal, anti-religious segment of the population and the arch-conservative Christians who are drawn to Montana for liberty, especially the Whitefish area. The Democrats and liberals have had their way here for so long that they often react with hostility toward the conservative-Christian resurgence. Skousen states that Montana would rate 5 stars except for the wide area around Great Falls that houses the largest base of nuclear missiles in the nation. This puts a large portion of the state at risk for massive fallout. The only safe bet is to be west of this threat.

    The best retreat areas include the Flathead Lake region, as this is one of the best areas for rural and farm location. He recommends Whitefish and Columbia Falls over Kalispell. The Bitterroot Valley region is also recommended, with the exception of the town of Hamilton which has a Level 4 biohazard laboratory. The Clark Fork Valley Region is also recommended, but might be considered too isolated for those who must travel often.

    Skousen cautions us that the biggest threat in Montana will come from "point threats", small groups of locals with pickup trucks and weapons who think they can take what they want.

    What I would like to know is what types of trees grow in the forests? Is it all pines or evergreens? These do not burn well in a woodstove. Hardwoods burn best and put out the most BTU's (heat). When one considers relocating to a forested region, it is very important one considers what types of trees grow there and what can they be used for.

    Texas
    Skousen's rating: 3 out of 5 stars

    Texas enjoys multiple climate zones from hot and dry in the west to humid and subtropical near the Gulf coast. If you like a cold winter then the panhandle is for you. Texas averages 139 tornadoes per year (wow!) and the coast gets hit with hurricanes. Rainfall varies from 55 inches per year in the east to only 10 inches per year in the west. Dallas gets a moderate 37 inches, but only the coastal plain gets enough rainfall to raise crops without irrigation or well pumping (at least by Skousen's reckoning. I wonder if anyone has experience enough to comment on this?). 66% of drinking water is fluoridated. There is good solar potential everywhere.
    There are 95 people per square mile. Since this is the state average, I would imagine it to be much lower in rural areas and much higher in the cities.
    Cost of living is low (6th lowest in the nation), taxes are below average, violent crime is very high, property crime is high as well, corruption is very high at the state level, also beware police and judges in the larger cities.
    No permit is required to purchase firearms, "shall issue" state for concealed weapons permits. Banned weapons include machine guns and sawed-off rifles and shotguns. Open carry is permitted in the state.
    There is very good access to alternative medicine, direct entry midwifery is legal with some requirements.
    Home schooling is unregulated.

    Skousen states: Texas is great because of what remains of the spirit underlying is unofficial motto, "Don't Mess with Texas". Texas has a long history of independence and resistance to tyranny and being controlled by the eastern establishment. This is still true of the good, humble people of rural Texas but not so much in its big cities. Along with the Texas oil boom came tremendous wealth and fat cat living which has corrupted much of the fighting spirit of the state. What's left of Texas bigness is just the show, not the strength of will.
    Texas politicians are especially adept at playing the role of tough Texan but most sell out to financial interests. Even the big mega-churches have become soft and worldly with money and fame.
    Texas has several major advantages over other states as a relocation destination, including the low cost of living, no income tax, wide open spaces, available land and a fairly strong "don't mess with Texas" attitude outside of the big cities. On the other hand, Skousen sees several negatives about Texas such as the deep roots of corruption, lack of principled toughness in politics, and the steady encroachment of illegal aliens (who drive up support for democratic socialism and benefits). There are also several major threats to Texas in a war. There are many military installations and these bases put civilians at risk during a war.
    Because of the sheer size of the state you can find medium term safety in rural areas and enjoy a low cost lifestyle, but don't be fooled by politicians who talk and walk like traditional Texans but are in league with powerful and corrupt national forces which intend to subvert traditional values in this once great state.
    Because of persistent threats of tornadoes and thunderstorms, Skousen recommends below ground shelters. He warns you to watch out for rock like soils like Caliche or the Versitol types. Versitols are expansive clay soils that cause buildings to heave upward in the rainy season and sink during dry spells, both make building basements an expensive and costly project. Indeed, just building a slab on Versitol I would consider risky business. My parents bought a house in San Antonio that was built on a slab. The house only cost them $100,000, but when they sold, it failed inspection because the sewer pipe was cracked from this heaving. It cost $20,000 to replace it, this eliminated any profit they would have made from the sale and a good deal more. What was low cost in the beginning wasn't cheap in the end. Be careful, do your homework on any property you might consider buying in Texas.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen recommends the area around the Angelina National Forest and the area above I-30 which approaches the Oklahoma Ozarks. Farm retreats outside of Clarksville and Paris are very rural and provide good safety.
    He also recommends the Texas Hill Country in southwest Texas, and the rugged country north of Amarillo and between Lubbock and Amarillo (if you have water) keep in mind you want to be far away from the city.

    North Carolina
    Skousen's rating: 2 stars out of 5

    Most of North Carolina is very hot and humid in the summer. The mountains aren't so bad. It averages 13 tornadoes per year and 50 inches of rain. The part in the Smokey Mountains gets more. Food production is good in the central and eastern parts of the state, but not quite so good in the mountainous region. 84% of the water is fluoridated. Many EPA Superfund sites are between Charlotte and Greenville.
    Population density is over 190 people per square mile. Cost of living is below average, taxes are average, corruption is high in the state government, crime is high.
    A permit is required to purchase a handgun, including stating the purpose for it. This permit is valid for 5 years. "Shall issue" state for concealed firearm permits. A person who wishes to possess a machine gun is required to obtain a permit for it from the County Sheriff and the ATF. Open carry is allowed, even in a car.
    Alternative medicine is discouraged by medical practice laws, lay midwifery is effectively prohibited.
    Home schooling is moderately regulated.

    Skousen states, that new industry has made North Carolina one of America's leading growth states. The population grew 45% from 1980 to 2005 bringing wealth, pollution, corruption and (gasp!) liberal people. The state's Hispanic population is the fastest growing in the U.S. Unfortunately, all these new people don't share the state's traditional family values, nor their voting preferences. Since 2000, democrats have tended to win state contests.
    There are lots of military targets in the state, particularly in the coastal plains.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen recommends you locate west of the Charlotte-Greenville line to start. He prefers the Cumberland plateau of Tennessee as safer than the Smokey mountains of N.C., because he feels this area in N.C. will be the first to get hit by flocks of people from the east. Keep in mind there's going to be lots of old timers in the woods who may not appreciate flat landers moving in. Get to know your neighbors. If you must locate in N.C. he prefers the area around Andrews.

    New Mexico
    Skousen's rating: 2 out of 5 stars.

    New Mexico has hot summers and cold, dry winters. It averages 9 tornadoes per year and only 14 inches of rain per year. 76% of water supplies are fluoridated.
    It has excellent solar potential.
    40% of the land is federally owned, including the best parts. Population density is low, only 16 people per square mile.
    Taxes are below average, corruption is very high, cost of living is below average, crime is high (with violent crime being super high, double most of the "average" numbers I've seen). Crime is especially high in that town where Bugs Bunny keeps taking a wrong turn (Albuquerque).
    There is no permit to purchase firearms, "shall issue" state for concealed firearms, open carry permitted in the state, including cars.
    Access to alternative medicine is very good. Midwifery is legal and licensed in the state.
    Home schooling is regulated.

    There is a lot of crime and poverty in N.M. associated with illegal immigration. Skousen would have rated the state higher but didn't because of the high levels of corruption. There are also numerous nuclear threats; Los Alamos, Sandia Labs, White Sands Missile Facility, Cannon AFB, and Holoman AFB. In order to find safe places in N.M. one has to carefully locate around the population centers, the nuclear targets, and the hostile zone with Mexico. That leaves the far northern area and the mountains bordering Arizona.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen recommends the Kirtland/Farmington/Bloomfield/Aztec areas. Three rivers flow through the Farmington area, accounting for 2/3 of the surface water in N.M. But do not locate in the flood plain of the San Juan River basin.
    He also recommends the Espanola/Santa Cruz area and the Taos area.

    Ohio
    Skousen's rating: 2 out of 5 stars.

    Ohio's climate is cold in the winter and hot/humid in the summer. Depending on where you are in relation to Lake Erie, you may get a lot of snow, or very little. The land is good and rich, with lots of hardwood forests. There is an abundance of deer and turkey. The deer especially like to hide out in metro areas where they know they can't be hunted. The state averages 16 tornados and about 39 inches of rain per year. This has been a record-breaking year for rain, and since the winter has been so warm, we are probably looking at a record-breaking 2012 for lake-effect spring snows. 90% of the drinking water is fluoridated.
    There are 284 people per square mile, not good odds if you want to remain unseen.
    Cost of living is below average, taxes are high (7th highest), corruption is high, crime is above average but centered in the larger cities. In the country, it seems the most you have to worry about it crazy, half-naked, drunk drivers, livestock that gets loose and keeping a sharp lookout for buggies. With the downturn in the economy, there is more vandalism everywhere. Keep your doors locked, and if you own vacant property, keep a watch on your copper pipes.
    There is no permit to purchase firearms. "Shall issue" state for concealed firearm permits. No gun registry. Open carry or in a vehicle only with a permit. (I've never heard of that from any gun owners that I know).
    Naturopaths are free to practice. Lay midwifery is not prohibited.
    Homeschooling is moderately regulated, parents must send notification, test scores and/or professional evaluation of student's progress.

    Hopefully, it will be obvious to anyone reading this, that the worn-out rust-belt towns and larger urban centers are not where you want to settle. Plan on avoiding Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dayton, Toledo, Akron, Canton, Youngstown and Columbus. Sure you can work there, but don't live there or anywhere near. That's where living in Ohio gets difficult. Its hard to avoid these towns without stepping into the backyard of another.
    Ohio is also a major transportation corridor, the gateway to the Midwest. It has the fifth highest volume of truck traffic and the second highest number of hazardous materials spills nationwide. With all the highways that crisscross the state, it is hard to avoid these major freeways and the unwanted visitors they may bring.
    Ohio is also vulnerable to government power. Only Maryland and Virginia have higher percentages of government workers. This is the redundancy I was talking about. My favorite example, back in "horribly corrupt" Illinois, when you renewed your driver's license, the clerk at the BMV would ask to see your insurance card to verify proof of insurance. They don't do that here in Ohio. Too easy! Too logical! Here, they have a whole separate department in Columbus that verifies your proof of insurance by mail. (Are you kidding me!?!) Gee, I think I know how I could save a few taxpayer dollars...!
    There are some Radon concerns here. You will want to do some research on that, if you plan on relocating here.
    Ohio has relatively few nuclear military targets and is considered a "Safe" destination for the wealthy and well-connected within government, many of whom have large mansions with large bunker systems east of Columbus.

    Retreat areas:
    Northeastern Ohio is considered the only semi-safe rural area within the Cleveland-Columbus-Pittsburgh triangle. Skousen describes it as hilly and forested with lots of family farms. The area he recommends is in between New Philadelphia, Millersburg, Mt. Vernon, Newark, Wheeling, Steubenville and East Liverpool. This area is actually south of where I live. My area is very similar, but smaller in terms of square miles, and north of I-80.
    He also recommends southeastern Ohio and southern Ohio, as long as you avoid interstates and the bigger cities. I like the Hocking Hills area a lot, its not near anything. Lots of forest and hills.

    Overall I like Ohio because it has good land, good trees and good people. I don't like Ohio because of the bureaucracy, waste of taxpayer funds, high population density and difficulty to find a good retreat spot (all those cities and freeways).

    Oregon
    Skousen's rating: 3 out of 5 stars.

    The climate in Oregon is wet and cloudy with mild temperatures, steady breezes and few major storms. The east is semi-arid, with dry, sunny weather. The west gets 80 inches of rain per year, but the east only 10. 19% of the drinking water is fluoridated (mostly the Portland area). Irrigation is required in the east. The fishing and hunting are excellent.
    The population density averages 39 people per square mile. The Portland area averages 3500. The east of the Cascades there's only 20 people per square mile.
    Cost of living is above average, taxes area average, corruption is average (mostly in Portland), crime is average.
    No permit is required to purchase firearms. "Shall issue" state for concealed weapons permits, but no reciprocity for other state's permits. Open carry is permitted except where restricted by city ordinance.
    There is good access to alternative medicine and midwifery is legal and unregulated.
    Homeschooling is moderately regulated.
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    Re: Strategic Relocation: Joel Skousen

    North Dakota
    Skousen’s rating: 2.5 out of 5 stars

    North Dakota’s has very cold winters with snowfall above 40 inches annually. The summers are hot and in the eartern part, humid. There is only about 16 inches of rainfall per year and on average 20 tornadoes. Soil is sandy loam. 95% of the water is fluoridated and in the eastern farm districts has elevated concentrations of agricultural pollution and chemicals.
    There is only 9 people per square mile, ranked 47th in the nation. Cost of living is below average, taxes are slightly above average, corruption is average (N.D. has no campaign finance disclosure laws), crime is low. Even Fargo, the largest city, has low crime.
    There is no permit required to purchase a firearm. It is a “shall issue” state for concealed weapons permits. Open carry requires the same permit.
    There are few naturopaths in the state. (hello Opportunity!) Direct entry midwifery is legal and unregulated.
    Homeschooling is highly regulated.

    North Dakota has abundant grassland game such as pheasant and antelope. These grasslands provide rich soil and good growing conditions when there is sufficient water. The population is light throughout and there are no large cities. Fargo is the only city above 100,000 people.
    Skousen considers the low population and isolating climate good, but the climate a bit too harsh, cold and dry for most. Flooding can be a major threat in most river courses because of the flat lay of the land, especially the Red River which can back up due to ice flows.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen recommends you follow the general rule to stay at least 10 miles away from a major interstate, find a good place with water and some trees for windbreaks and shade. The best locations are those not visible from any main road. In this state, that means distance more than tree cover. The only area he excludes are those within 50 miles of Minot due to the missile fields surrounding it.

    South Carolina
    Skousen’s rating: 1.5 stars out of 5.
    Climate: The lowlands fall into the humid subtropical climate, while the uplands have colder winters (rare snowfall). Summers are hot and muggy. Population density is above average (20th highest), cost of living is below average and only 5% of land is government owned. It averages 10 tornados per year.
    Food production is good in the central and eastern plains, much harder in the west where it is hilly and the soil is thin and stony. Average annual rainfall of 50 inches.
    South Carolina contains some of the worst surface water pollution. Several EPA superfund sites are located in the most populous corridor including landfills. Aquifers are also polluted from agriculture. 91% of the drinking water is fluoridated.
    Taxes are low. Corruption is extremely high. Crime is very high. Personal liberty is average. There is no permit to purchase firearms, but open carry is not permitted. Naturapathy is prohibited by law. Lay midwifery is legal and licensed within the state. Homeschooling is moderately regulated.
    Skousen states that South Carolina has a kind of underdeveloped feel to it in the rural areas, reminiscent of second world countries. While there is a top layer of wealthy people, this has traditionally been among the nation’s poorest states with income levels less than half the national average and with high levels of illiteracy and disease. Then in the 1980’s the state began to aggressively sell itself and attracted new manufacturing. This has been good for the economy but bad for state debt. The use of the confederate flag is still a sore spot with liberals.
    Retreat areas: There are lots of potential sites all over, but Skousen doesn’t consider them safe in the long term due to such a high risk of refugees seeking food in the countryside. He thinks nuclear threats will drive people from the coastal areas towards the cities in the center of the state and that will create all manner of social unrest. If you had to go west to get out, you would have a hard time getting past these cities. If you already have a retreat in the lowlands, be sure your residence is behind plenty of tree cover and away from any major roads. If you must stay/work in SC, he recommends the Cumberland Plateau in Tennessee as a much better site for a retreat. Within SC, he recommeds sites near Greenville and Spartanburg, and possibly Rock Hill.
    Skousen states: Oregon is breathtakingly beautiful and has slightly better weather than Washington. The coast has abundant sea life and the forestation is a mix of firs, pines and deciduous trees. Water is abundant and pure, except for the metro areas (where its given its dose of life threatening halogens). Skousen would have considered Oregon the best state for preparedness and safety except it adopted uniform land use planning across the state, so individual cities and counties lost the liberty to make reasonable development decisions. Property owners have little property rights, and when citizens passed an initiative to allow aggrieved property owners to gain compensation for loss of property rights, the courts overturned it (just like in California). Skousen considers Oregon to have become a socialist state almost to the degree of California, with correspondingly severe budget problems caused by overly generous state worker pensions and numerous welfare programs. All land use is tightly controlled.
    On the plus side, there is no sales tax (so Skousen says) and the traffic in Portland is better than in Seattle. Oregon has one of the few coastal areas with no nuclear threat, so it has the least threat of fallout. But, in case that got you feeling too optimistic, there's always the volcanoes embedded in the Cascades to bring you down (Mt. St. Helens, Mt. Hood and Mt. Bachelot).

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen lists a whole page of them, which is a lot! I am only going to summarize them here.
    Parkdale, the Umpqua and Elkton areas, White City, Eagle Point, Cave Junction, Klamath Falls, the mountain area between Medford and Klamath Falls.
    Skousen considers the areas in eastern Oregon to be the best for long term security. These include; the area around Vale. Grande Ronde Valley Union, Wallowa, and Baker counties. Elgin, Joseph are cities he mentions. Also the Steens Mountain Region.

    Nevada
    Skousen's rating: 3 out of 5 stars

    Nevada has a high desert, very dry climate with very hot summers, up to 120F. There is less than 10 inches of rainfall per year. Farming is only possible with lots of irrigation. 70% of the water is fluoridated.
    The population density is very low with only 24 people per square mile. Contrast that with Las Vegas, which has over 4000 per square mile. This means the rest of the state must be as deserted as a...desert!
    Cost of living is slightly below average, taxes are very low (49th in nation), corruption is very high in the state government and those of Las Vegas and Reno, due to gambling and mafia interests. Violent crime is very high, property crime is above average.
    No permit is required to purchase firearms, "shall issue" state for concealed firearm permits. There is some reciprocity with other states. Clark County requires handgun registration. Open carry is allowed, even in cars (except for Las Vegas).
    There is good availability of alternative medicine. Midwives practice openly in many areas of the state.

    Skousen likes the low taxes, but not the lack of good agricultural land. (I would have to agree with him). Las Vegas is in island in the desert that will have no hope of sustaining itself after collapse. Its dry, barren deserts will be a significant threat to anyone trying to flee. You will have a hard time trying to survive, especially if your car breaks down or you run out of fuel. The two major freeway arteries from California may leave you few alternate pathways if they get shut down. Plan on bringing a lot of water and fuel with you to get out of Nevada or to a safe haven area.
    Nevada also has some of the largest secret military bases in the US. They will be primary targets in the event of a nuclear strike.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen recommends the area around Gardnerville, Smith Valley, Yerington Valley. He also recommends areas around Elko, Ely and Wells.

    Alaska
    Skousen’s rating: 2 out of 5 stars.

    Most of Alaska’s climate is harsh and severely cold, with the western portion getting over 100 inches of rain in the coastal mountains. Anchorage and southern central Alaska more sun and less rain, only 16 inches per year. The southeast and panhandle have a warmer (for Alaska) coastal climate that is cloudy most of the year and averages 50-275 inches or rain per year, but it rarely freezes due to proximity to the ocean. Skousen cautions that the growing season could be 0-120 days and advises greenhouses. 57% of the drinking water is fluoridated.
    Population density is very low, almost lonely, only 1 person per square mile.
    Cost of living is very high (3rd behind D.C. and Hawaii), tax burden is lowest in the nation, corruption is very high (in elected officials), violent crime is twice the national average (very high) and property crime is average.
    Alaska is a “shall issue” state for concealed weapons permits and open carry is permitted including cars.
    Naturopaths can practice with a license, ditto for direct entry midwives.

    Skousen states that Alaska is generally remote, isolated, cold and wet in the habitable areas. Fairbanks is an exception with its dry climate and only 10 inches of rainfall. It can be an excellent retreat site if the person is a hardy individualist who has adapted his income and work to this specialized economy and climate. Like Hawaii, almost everything must be shipped in, so living costs are high and the state is particularly vulnerable to supply line collapse. Even gasoline must be shipped in because there is insufficient refinery capacity in-state. Food and supplies are so dependent on shipping that Alaska is almost like an island.
    Further, most Alaskans don’t realize that if the power grid goes down, the Alaska Pipeline is vulnerable. In that situation, pumping will cease along with the thousands of refrigeration elements that keep the permafrost frozen around the pipeline supports. If the permafrost thaws it could sag causing a rupture in the pipeline.
    Corruption is mostly in the higher levels of government. It seems to be lower at the local levels where police complaints are low. The crime problem is high in the cities and exacerbated by the transient nature of people going there to get rich quick.
    One of the biggest problems with living in Alaska is the lack of roads. There are only a few dozen paved roads in Alaska and you have to drive through Canada to get back to the US mainland. Distances between fuelstops are very long. It would be easy to get stranded during a crisis because of lack of fuel.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen doesn’t recommend any particular areas. He quotes a local perspective by saying, “The only people I foresee surviving here are a few seasoned Sourdoughs and native tribe members that still have well honed outdoor survival skills and are still capable of reverting to a self-sufficient mode. The best set-up for this would be a small settlement on a clear water (non-glacial) stream with an active salmon run and a couple of productive fish wheel salmon traps.”

    Arizona
    Skousen's rating: 3 out of 5 stars.

    Reviewing Skousen's entry for Arizona, I'm not quite sure why he gave it 3 stars. I think partly because he rated personal liberty there very high, gun liberty to be good and access to alternative medicine to be good. Also, he states taxes are low. Cost of living is average.
    There is no permit to purchase firearms. "Shall issue" state for permits that does recognize permits from some other states. Open carry is allowed, including in cars.
    Water quality is only fair, with 55% of water being fluoridated. Availability of land is low, 80% is owned by the state or Federal govt. The climate is that of a dry, hot desert.

    He states that there are aquifers in northern Arizona that capture and create year-round springs and streams, and that coupled with the solar potential there is the opportunity to make a good retreat. But when I think of Arizona, the first thought that enters my mind is the book, "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle" by Barbara Kingsolver, where she explains that she moved her family away from Arizona because she wanted to grow her own food and didn't feel it was possible in Arizona. Those that actually live there will be able to comment on this in actual terms from their respective locales.
    There are two major downsides to Arizona in his opinion. The first is the constant problem of illegal immigration and the future potential of being "reclaimed" by Latino militants. The second is that Arizona is also home to black operations by the CIA and DEA to run drugs. As we know, there are already portions of southern Arizona that a wise person would fear to tread. It all adds up to me to be a huge potential for violence and strife and Skousen recommends you stay far away from the southern portion of the state.

    As for potential retreat areas, he recommends finding an area near a current or former Mormon colony, due to their proximity to good water supplies. Also, he states the Mormon's heritage of preparedness gives the area a good base. He suggests north of Cornville, but watch out for potential flooding. He also recommends Star Valley, Young, Springerville, Snowflake, Heber and Show Low.

    Georgia
    Skousen's rating: 2 of 5 stars

    Georgia's climate is mostly humid, subtropical. Summers are hot and humid, except at the higher elevations. It averages 20 tornadoes and 45 inches of rain on the plains and around 75 inches of rain in the mountains per year. 93% of the drinking water is fluoridated.
    Soil is good except in the mountains where it is thin and stony and on the coast where it is swampy.
    There is 170 people per square mile. Cost of living is below average, taxes are slightly above average, corruption is very high (Atlanta), crime is high (Atlanta metro area).
    There is no permit to purchase firearms. "Shall issue" state for permits that are required for both open carry and concealed carry.
    Alternative medicine is discouraged by Medical Practice laws and direct entry midwives are effectively unlawful.
    Homeschooling is moderately regulated.

    Skousen states Georgia has been one of the fastest growing states in the nation. Most of the growth is in the Atlanta metro area, to the north of Atlanta where tens of smaller towns have been absorbed into the metro area. Hardly any of the roads are straight so traffic is a tangled mess. Atlanta is both the greatest draw of Georgia and its greatest danger zone during tough times.
    Republicans now strongly dominate the state. Atlanta has become the de facto economic center of the south and attracts a variety of products, services and jobs.

    Retreat areas:
    Skousen recommends areas around Clayton, Blairsville and Morganton.
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    Some good info, however one MUST depend on one's own due diligence. In the future, availability of good water will be key - fracking is changing the map on this in a very dramatic way, and therefore one would be well advised to look into whether or not fracking is going on in their target AO.

    Additionally, Skousen states that machineguns, SBRs, and SBSs are banned in Texas - this is simply not true. If one can own a gun or suppressor under a NFA tax stamp then one can own that gun or suppressor in Texas, there are NO such restrictions in Texas other than the NFA restrictions.

    I can see the draw for the American redoubt, however some of us don't care for protracted extremely cold weather, and without fuel extremely cold weather will kill you - not to mention the general inability to grow food year round. I'll take my chances in warmer southern climes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midnight rambler View Post
    Some good info, however one MUST depend on one's own due diligence. In the future, availability of good water will be key - fracking is changing the map on this in a very dramatic way, and therefore one would be well advised to look into whether or not fracking is going on in their target AO.

    Additionally, Skousen states that machineguns, SBRs, and SBSs are banned in Texas - this is simply not true. If one can own a gun or suppressor under a NFA tax stamp then one can own that gun or suppressor in Texas, there are NO such restrictions in Texas other than the NFA restrictions.

    I can see the draw for the American redoubt, however some of us don't care for protracted extremely cold weather, and without fuel extremely cold weather will kill you - not to mention the general inability to grow food year round. I'll take my chances in warmer southern climes.
    Some of us are better suited for cold and some warm...I'm the later.
    Another thing to consider is some of us can handle seclusion better then others.
    What if nothing happens for many years...could you handle being isolated for long periods from people and without amenities?
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    Re: Strategic Relocation: Joel Skousen

    New York
    Skousen’s rating: 2.5 out of 5 stars

    New York has a humid, continental climate. Upstate has long, cold winters with moderately hot and humid summers. NYC is hotter and more humid. Rainfall is about 42 inches per year. No data on tornadoes. 73% of the drinking water is fluoridated.
    Population density is 414 people per square mile overall. Skousen presents no data on NYC itself, but I would imagine, the upstate has to be lower due to the high population in the city.
    Cost of living is very high, taxes are second highest in nation, corruption is extremely high in NYC and high in the state capitol, violent crime is high, but property crime is not so bad.
    New York is considered the worst state for gun liberty in the US. A permit is required to purchase firearms and those firearms must be registered. It is a “may issue” state for concealed carry permits, but its almost impossible to get one in NYC. Open carry in a vehicle requires a permit. Transportation of a weapon through the state is restricted.
    Alternative medicine is practiced in the state but harassed. Lay midwifery is legal and regulated. Certified midwives must meet state requirements.
    Home schooling is highly regulated.

    Skousen considers the scenery and rural living benefits of upstate New York not worth the high taxes, high regulation, high cost of living and restricted liberties of the state itself. He reminds us of the fragility of the supply line into NYC. Anyone who must live in or near this metropolis needs to have multiple escape routes.
    All sorts of corruption here. Are you surprised? I would think every old city is ripe with it. And NY medical boards love to vigorously prosecute any doctor who uses alternative therapies.

    Still, though he doesn’t have much good to say, he does list many possible retreat areas.
    He recommends the area west of I-87, east of I-81, and north of I-90. He also recommends four trapezoidal shapes south of I-90, each bounded by two other interstates. He considers this area as good if you can conceal your property from major roads and view.
    He also recommends the area west of Schenectady between I-90 and I-88, the area around the Finger Lakes district, but best of all, the area south of I-86 and west of Hwy 15 because it is an extension of the Pennsylvania retreat area that he rates relatively highly (for the East).

    Although I’m not a fan of the east, or New York, my husband and I have looked at properties in the mountains near Olean and were able to find many that were in good concealed spots that were very reasonably priced (low $100’s). I liked that area very much because Olean seems to have a relatively good economy (for a recession), it has a major player in my industry for possible jobs (Cytec), its easy to live in the middle of nowhere (no huge metropolis to commute out of) and the property was very reasonably priced. Its hard to find that combination, regardless of location.

    New Jersey
    Skousen's rating: 0 out of 5 stars (yes Maryland, you can now feel better than somebody!)

    Summers are hot and humid, winters are cold and damp. There are on average 2.5 tornados and 47 inches per rain per year. Only 28% of the drinking water is fluoridated (a nice plus considering it is one of the worst states for surface water pollution). Soil is good.
    Population density is very high at 1,174 people per square mile. (Ouch!)
    Cost of living is high, taxes are highest (#1 of all 50 states), corruption is very high, crimes seems only slightly above average, but beware of Newark, it has one of the highest rates of violent crime of any city in the nation (on top of that, you can never get an on time flight out of there!).
    A permit is required to purchase firearms. "May issue" state for concealed firearm permits, but good luck getting one. Open carry requires a permit. Transportation of a weapon through the state is restricted. And the state requires a record of all legal weapons transfers.
    Naturopaths are free to practice but are not licensed. Direct entry midwives are licensed.
    Homeschooling is not regulated.

    Skousen states: New Jersey is the most populated state in the Union and is filled with trap zones, including being surrounded on 3 sides by water. Trouble is, all this population blocks any potential of exit from the less populated farm and pineland areas on the Jersey Peninsula. If you have a boat you can head to the water, or are better off just trying to stick it out in the relatively unpopulated pinelands than trying to runt he gauntlet of the corridor, which will be crammed with people fleeing New York and the various cities in and around Jersey City.
    Well, at least its nice to see the south doesn't have some kind of monopoly on the corruption.
    There are over 200 listed superfund sites in New Jersey. Chemical maufacturers, landfills and refineries are and were common in this area. One of the greatest threats to the Camden area is still from numerous chemical plants. One plant, that processes chlorine gas is so close to Manhattan that it poses a potentially lethal threat to 12 million people who live within a 14 mile radius. If that's not enough to get your adrenaline going, it is only one of dozens of chemical manufacturing sites in the area. (I suppose all those bad guys in the Marvel comics had to come from somewhere!)

    Retreat areas:
    There are no good retreat areas within New Jersey because the population density is so high that in any long term food or social crisis, pillaging will eventually reach everywhere in the rural zone of the peninsula. Still, if you live in southern NJ, you can survive by picking a very rural forested location and using basement concealment to ride out any threats that may come your way, avoiding confrontation. The forested area in the trough formed by the Garden State Parkway and the Atlantic City Parkway is very lightly populated if you get 5 miles away from either expressway. There is rural land at the southern-most tip of NJ, around Woodbine, but it is entirely too close to Atlantic City to be safe.

    Washington
    Skousen's rating: 4 out of 5 stars

    The western side of Washington has a west coast marine climate with mild temperatures. East of the Cascades it is semi-arid. There are few storms but it is cloudy 9 months out of the year in the west, more sun in the east. The winters are moderate in the west but colder and drier in the east. There is 40 inches of rain per year in the west, only 17 inches per year in the east. 59% of the drinking water is fluoridated. He considers the fishing and hunting to be excellent.
    There is about 100 people per square mile although 3000 people per square mile in the Seattle area and only 35 people per square mile east of the Cascades.
    Seattle has the second worst traffic in the nation.
    Taxes are slightly below average, corruption is med-high in Seattle but low in the east, crime is average, cost of living is average.
    There is no permit to purchase firearms, "shall issue" state for concealed carry permits, open carry friendly state.
    Excellent access to alternative medicine and midwives.
    Homeschooling is moderately regulated.

    Skousen states that the volcano danger is significant in western WA. St. Helens is rebuilding after blowing its top and Mt. Rainier is threatening. He goes on to say that while he loves the lush forests and waterways of the nearby Cascades and Puget Sound, the oppressiveness of Seattle's left/liberal establishment that dominates the whole state and its major newspapers makes it less than attractive. He especially likes the northeastern parts of the state where you can find coniferous forests at low altitudes.
    Washington has no income tax. If you live near Oregon you can shop where there is no sales tax. Housing is much cheaper in the east.

    Retreat Areas:
    Skousen recommends the areas east of the Cascades, particularly the valleys and pine forests north of a line between Chelan and Newport (excluding the Indian Reservation and Spokane- it has a major nuclear target). He also recommends the area around Walla Walla, the Clarkston area.
    He recommends area around Yakima but not Yakima itself because it is downwind from Mt. Saint Helens, has a listening station for the NSA and is in line to receive refugees from Seattle.
    Lastly, he recommends the Washington side of the Columbia Gorge, locating yourself about an hour's drive east of the Portland and Vancouver area to avoid refugee flows and make sure you are outside the draconian building restrictions of the Columbia Gorge Scenic Area.
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    Re: Strategic Relocation: Joel Skousen

    I was given this book last Christmas, and i must say it is a nice addition to my collection. I may not have bought it for myself, but now that i own it, i will admit it is a worthy purchase.

    There is a TON of info in this book. Best routes in and out of major cities, growing seasons, weather conditions, locations of targets (nuclear, water, electric, etc) in each state. This book can be used as a tool to find the best 'Strategic Location' as far as States and cities go, but can also be used to find the best spot in your own area.
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    For Montana he mentions that one of the drawbacks about living in Montana, may be that most their firewood is fur or evergreens, and those don't put out as much BTU's as hardwood and may be bad for the firestove... Hogwash! Sure they put out a little less BTU's, and they burn a little less cleanly, but bringing it up as a reason not to move to Montana is just ridiculous...

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    Re: Strategic Relocation: Joel Skousen

    When the SHTF, Cali will be a test bed to see if the large libertarian population living here actually backs up the chest pounding they constantly voice.

    My guess is that just like in the Rodney King riots the cops will disappear and just assume the shit will burn itself out. Most armed people that actually give a shit don't live in the city, but in the suburbs which are relatively close. I think if the boogs and mestizos try to make their way into the suburbs it will be a blood bath assuming those with the ability and equipment stand up and start turning heads into canoes. Initially this will be groups of shitheads versus individuals and if the shitheads are repelled the individuals will join groups just by chance. The cops will have little influence, but will most likely try to control the armed citizens which will most like not work since the cops will be so small in numbers. I do have more thoughts on this.

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    Re: Strategic Relocation: Joel Skousen

    Quote Originally Posted by General of Darkness View Post
    When the SHTF, Cali will be a test bed to see if the large libertarian population living here actually backs up the chest pounding they constantly voice.

    My guess is that just like in the Rodney King riots the cops will disappear and just assume the shit will burn itself out. Most armed people that actually give a shit don't live in the city, but in the suburbs which are relatively close. I think if the boogs and mestizos try to make their way into the suburbs it will be a blood bath assuming those with the ability and equipment stand up and start turning heads into canoes. Initially this will be groups of shitheads versus individuals and if the shitheads are repelled the individuals will join groups just by chance. The cops will have little influence, but will most likely try to control the armed citizens which will most like not work since the cops will be so small in numbers. I do have more thoughts on this.
    I think it's funny how the affluent whites lives in the suburbs and the poor coloured lives in the city centers, in Europe it is the opposite... Sorry for the slight derail...

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