Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 23

Thread: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

  1. #11
    Unobtanium palani's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    10,510
    Thanks
    512
    Thanked 2,724 Times in 1,852 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    There is no new government....all the union states have returned to their union status.
    No. The several States are administrative subdivisions of the federal government.
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    There was no orginal rules to begin with....involuntary slavery is outlawed.
    Slavery is still slavery. An adjective simply acts to reduce the population. As in 'all men' as opposed to 'all short men'.
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Nonsense huh?
    An amendment cannot eliminate that which makes it exist.
    Your short sightedness is going to lead you to poor decisions. You admitted yourself that the 14th amendment makes a new class called a 'subject'. Do old rules apply to something newly created?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Your "prohibition" thingy is an example of you trying to fit square pegs in round holes.
    No. Rather it is an example of the trouble you may find yourself in by relying upon legislation. Here is another one. County attorneys were eliminated in Iowa in 1971 by constitutional amendment. Why does each county still have an attorney on the payroll?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    The 14th amendment didnt make a new government. It made subjects for the federal government where none existed before.
    YET BY A STRANGE COINCIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER BOTHERED TO EXPLAIN ... WHY IS THE ORGANIC NATIONAL DEBT FIXED AT $346,681,016??
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    What does the 14th say?
    If it speaks to you then that is proof you are delusional.
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Where is the wording suggesting as you say the 14th eliminates the original government and replaces it with a different government.
    Specifically? Right here:

    "But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void."

    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Do you understand what form of law the "civil law" is from the "common law"?
    Do YOU understand that CIVILIZATION is the process of making a common law crime civil?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    We are talking form.
    I am not TALKING at all!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Look up "United States Civil Law" sometime and get a clue!!!
    Heres a clue.........its the difference between knowing what is "democracy" from a "republic".
    Before the 14th there wasnt a civil law form because there wasnt any federal subjects in existence.
    The government adopted the roman civil law form because they now had subjects who couldnt be their own king and rule themsleves as a republic from of government.
    I suppose you are touting this as a BENEFIT?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    You are going to use "due process" as your means of debate?
    "MEANS OF DEBATE"? Do we need MEANS to debate?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Are you this stupid?
    I am not as nice as you!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Thank you for showing the proof the US federal government has never been removed by the 14th amendment.
    Theres nothing like giving yourself an embarrassing black eye in a debate.....but I'll take what ever you are willing to give me.
    Is DUE PROCESS under the 14th amendment the same as DUE PROCESS under the 5th amendment?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Do you think the government was going to take away "due process" from the now free'd slaves.
    Thank you for making my point. If DUE PROCESS had applied to 14th amendment 'citizens' (aka freed slaves) there would be no need to repeat the concept would there?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Heres a bit of history about the 14th.
    The 14th may have free'd the slave from involuntary servitude but it never brought them up to the level of the People.
    So now you actually come out and admit that the 14th amendment forms a new government with none of the baggage of the organic constitution? SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT TWITT?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Not one state, not even one northern yankee state, allowed the free'd slave negroes as an equal to the white people.
    This is a stupid statement that is false. There were many northern states that admitted blacks to citizenship. NONE OF THEM ADDRESSED A SEPARATE CITIZENSHIP CLASS CONSISTING OF FREED SLAVE NEGROES. You were either a citizen or you were not. Your attempt to characterize government acts lacks merit and is ABRASIVE.
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Heres a clue in statutory form.
    Reverting to your religious source again?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Why is this even an issue if the free'd slave was an equal after being free'd?
    Because they werent an equal and why there is such an Act called the Civil Rights Act of 1866.
    Why is there the Bill of Rights and a Civil Rights Act palani?
    Duhhhhh!!!! 1866 ... 1868 ... old government.... new government ... can't even follow this simple topic?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Are you sure you want to debate me palani?
    I don't debate the insane. I might be mistaken as one myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    You are in way over your head grasshopper.
    Keep studying your statutes and you will find that it is you that is in over his head!!!!
    Make me one with everything.
    -- Zen Master to the hot dog vendor

  2. #12
    Iridium mamboni's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    9,378
    Thanks
    2,186
    Thanked 6,224 Times in 2,640 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    And the battle rages: duck versus uberkitty versus palani. When the dust clears, there is only gold and silver.
    Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. -Benjamin Franklin
    Sincerity makes the very least person to be of more value than the most talented hypocrite. -Charles Spurgeon

  3. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to mamboni For This Useful Post:

    mick silver (29th October 2013),Twisted Titan (29th October 2013)

  4. #13
    Unobtanium palani's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    10,510
    Thanks
    512
    Thanked 2,724 Times in 1,852 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by mamboni View Post
    When the dust clears, there is only gold and silver.
    Neither of which is subject to OWNERSHIP in the communist plane.
    Make me one with everything.
    -- Zen Master to the hot dog vendor

  5. #14
    Iridium mamboni's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    9,378
    Thanks
    2,186
    Thanked 6,224 Times in 2,640 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by palani View Post
    Neither of which is subject to OWNERSHIP in the communist plane.
    True. This could be a problem in the future. To paraphrase Richard Nixon: "We are all kulaks now!"
    Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. -Benjamin Franklin
    Sincerity makes the very least person to be of more value than the most talented hypocrite. -Charles Spurgeon

  6. #15
    BANNED (Permanent)
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    6,482
    Thanks
    295
    Thanked 539 Times in 396 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    No, the several states are not subdivisions of the federal government.
    Iowa is not a subdivision, but the "state of Iowa" is.....two seperate jurisdictional planes.

    Here....let the courts explain it to you. Hopefully being lost within the law will come to a minimum for you.
    Keep in mind what I said about the Bill of Rights and the Civil Rights of 1866.

    We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it’s own...”United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)
    “...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
    McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)
    “That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
    Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)
    "A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
    Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383
    “The governments of the United States and of each state of the several states are distinct from one another. The rights of a citizen under one may be quite different from those which he has under the other”.
    Colgate v. Harvey, 296 U.S. 404; 56 S.Ct. 252 (1935)
    The several states are not subdivisions of the federal government palani.........the courts prove you wrong!
    “There is a difference between privileges and immunities belonging to the citizens of the United States as such, and those belonging to the citizens of each state as such”.
    Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41 (1900)
    “The rights and privileges, and immunities which the fourteenth constitutional amendment and Rev. St. section 1979 [U.S. Comp. St. 1901, p. 1262], for its enforcement, were designated to protect, are such as belonging to citizens of the United States as such, and not as citizens of a state”.
    Wadleigh v. Newhall 136 F. 941 (1905)
    “...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship”.
    Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)

    "US citizens" as defined by the 14th amendment are clearly different from the People.
    It went right over your head, but did you catch that last one where the court recognized "natural rights" being inherent of state citizenship and not federal 14th citizenship (us citizen)?

    Has a light bulb turned on yet?
    Why do you think the 10th amendment is worded like this?

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    What was inherent to state citizenship again................natural rights!
    Remember me telling you about the difference between the president and a governor?
    Who really holds the power of the People?
    The several states jurisdictional plane is where its all at palani.
    Governors are called governor because thats who really governs.......not some government formed by the several states that deal with international law and treaties having a president that is restricted by the Constitution.
    Your problem is your legal eyes are foggy to see the definitional line seperating the two jurisdictions.........its all about rights palani.
    Now do you know why I told Ares in another thread to defend yourself from the IRS and to stop taxes being taken from your pay check you'll need to know what makes your earnings to transform into "wages"?

    Like I say...you, palani, are lost in the law from following conspiracy internet nut jobs who are just as lost in the law as you are.
    There is no shadow government or any other government as you beleive.
    There are two classes of citizenship under one existing government.
    The blind leading the blind is more appropriate in describing you palani.

  7. #16
    Iridium mamboni's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    9,378
    Thanks
    2,186
    Thanked 6,224 Times in 2,640 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Did somebody say: "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"
    Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. -Benjamin Franklin
    Sincerity makes the very least person to be of more value than the most talented hypocrite. -Charles Spurgeon

  8. #17
    Iridium mamboni's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    9,378
    Thanks
    2,186
    Thanked 6,224 Times in 2,640 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Salty View Post
    I agree.

    But it amazes me how many are so ignorant to this reality. And even when confronted with it, will then deny it. Fucktards they are.
    The vast majority of folk cannot understand inflation not do they percieve it as abnoxious until it rises to very high levels. This has been the case in countless societies. Lack of education in basic economics and money management aggravates the problem.
    Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. -Benjamin Franklin
    Sincerity makes the very least person to be of more value than the most talented hypocrite. -Charles Spurgeon

  9. #18
    Unobtanium palani's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    10,510
    Thanks
    512
    Thanked 2,724 Times in 1,852 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    No, the several states are not subdivisions of the federal government.
    Iowa is not a subdivision, but the "state of Iowa" is.....two seperate jurisdictional planes.
    Cite please?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Here....let the courts explain it to you. Hopefully being lost within the law will come to a minimum for you.
    Keep in mind what I said about the Bill of Rights and the Civil Rights of 1866.
    The several states are not subdivisions of the federal government palani.........the courts prove you wrong!
    Until the 'courts' are willing to grab a rifle to enforce their opinions then they really don't amount for much do they?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    "US citizens" as defined by the 14th amendment are clearly different from the People.
    It went right over your head, but did you catch that last one where the court recognized "natural rights" being inherent of state citizenship and not federal 14th citizenship (us citizen)?
    A prairie dog has an inherent right to dig a burrow. That doesn't mean that a horse can come along with an inherent right to step in it and break a leg.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    Has a light bulb turned on yet?
    Why do you think the 10th amendment is worded like this?
    Why do you think the word 'state' has been hijacked here http://www.scribd.com/doc/63526884/R...ome-Tax-at-281 [13 stat 306 located at the bottom of the page]?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7th trump View Post
    What was inherent to state citizenship again................natural rights!
    Except you have no state to derive natural rights from. You occupy a political subdivision of the federal government.
    Make me one with everything.
    -- Zen Master to the hot dog vendor

  10. #19
    Unobtanium
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    19,045
    Thanks
    1,368
    Thanked 3,159 Times in 1,916 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Last man standing?.........silver and gold............and tp, of course.

    V
    "If you don't hold it, you don't own it"... Ponce

    "I'll never stop learning because I'll never stop reading"... Ponce

  11. #20
    Iridium mamboni's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    9,378
    Thanks
    2,186
    Thanked 6,224 Times in 2,640 Posts

    Re: 11 Reasons Why You Must Own Physical Gold and Silver

    Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. -Benjamin Franklin
    Sincerity makes the very least person to be of more value than the most talented hypocrite. -Charles Spurgeon

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to mamboni For This Useful Post:

    Hitch (29th October 2013)

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •