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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PatColo View Post
    They didn't mention but I will, malaysia also hosted an int'l 911 Tribunal several years ago which concluded inside job. More recently in another tribunal they found bush & blair guilty of iraq war crimes. And in 2013,Why the Kuala Lumpur Tribunal’s genocide verdict against Israel sets a key precedent. Mal's former PM Mahathir said in a speech a decade back, Malaysian Leader: 'Jews Rule World by Proxy' | Fox News. Good hour.

    Mathias Chang is a bit challenging to deciper here coz of his accent, and the line has a steady buzz of static, but his message is important. He obviously read my post above,


    Spingola and Friends 8/5/2014

    Deanna's guest is Matthias Chang. He talks about MH17 and US propaganda. Chang lives in Malaysia and is the author of three bestsellers, Future FastForward; Brainwashed for War, Programmed to kill; and The Shadow Money-Lenders and the Global Financial Tsunami. Chang also talked about the 5-year long criminal tribunal where it found Blair and Bush guilty of war crimes. He suggests that the tribunal has something to do with the elites targeting Malaysia.
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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

    Maybe we'd all be better off in Malaysia, how to get there?

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

    ^ Malaysia Airlines

    really, djooz intent in targetting MAL was to crash the biz of one of the countries leading, most prestigious products, in retaliation for Malaysia's 3 tribunals. So the way to work it would be, patronize MAL!

    Separately, maybe it's noted somewhere here already, but in that Chang/Spingola interview above, Chang notes that in the MAL downed over Ukraine, 8 of the corpses were NEKKID :O

    That means when the spooks were loading the corpses onto the plane, they were prolly delivered in body bags by another set of spooks, nekkid, and none of the spooks had any clothes to put on them. So they just put them on the plane in their birthday suits. Another ham handed oversight in the planning of this sloppy FF.
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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

    A large plot for western TV viewers to change the channel whenever a story on Ukraine pops up.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

    MH17 all but completely proven to be Flight 370

    http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/07/mh17-all-but-completely-proven-to-be.html

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

    Did anyone catch these yesterday?

    Malaysia Airlines, which lost 2 passenger jets this year, suspends trade in its shares ahead of 'pending material announcement' - @USATODAY

    Read more on usatoday.com
    Malaysia plans to delist Malaysia Airlines from stock exchange, making it fully state owned - @AP
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    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Ukraine

    Yes Martha, it was djooz. Again.

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    The Downing of MH17 - Is Israel Involved?


    August 9, 2014


    He [Pinhas Lavon] inspired and cultivated the negative adventuristic trend in the army and preached the doctrine that not the Arab countries but the Western Powers are the enemy, and the only way to deter them from their plots is through direct actions that will terrorize them.


    [Shimon] Peres shares the same ideology [as Lavon]: he wants to frighten the West into supporting Israel's aims.
    - Moshe Sharett, Israel's Prime Minister and Foreign Minister, 1955



    http://bollyn.com/public/MH17_cockpit.jpg

    The evidence suggests that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down by a fighter jet at 33,000 feet. Who could be behind such a dastardly plot? Is this a false-flag operation with a twist?

    We know that members of the Israeli military led the violent overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine in February 2014, and we know that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down while flying through the air traffic control region of Dnepropetrovsk, where the governor, Igor Kolomoisky, happens to be an Israeli billionaire involved in aviation companies. Furthermore, Yaron Mofaz, a relative of Shaul Mofaz, former chief of staff of the Israeli military, oddly took a photograph of the ill-fated Malaysian plane at the airport in Amsterdam shortly before it was shot down, which he then provided to Reuters.


    http://bollyn.com/public/Kolomoisky_and_friends.jpg

    IGOR KOLOMOISKY (2nd from left) the Israeli governor of Dnepropetrovsk is a prominent supporter of Ukraine's Jewish community and the president of the United Jewish Community of Ukraine. He owns several airlines as well. MH17 was in the air traffic control region of Dnepropetrovsk when it was shot down. For reasons that have not been explained MH17 was diverted from its normal route and instructed to fly across the war zone at a lower altitude of 33,000 feet by air traffic control of Dnepropetrovsk.

    http://bollyn.com/public/Mofaz_MH17_photo_large.jpg

    Yaron Mofaz, an relative of the former Chief-of-Staff of the Israeli military, took this photo of MH17 before it left Amsterdam on its ill-fated flight over Ukraine. Mofaz works with a company that owns a similar Malaysia Airlines plane that has been kept in a hanger in Tel Aviv since November 2013. So, why did he take this photo?

    Yaron Mofaz also happens to be a director of a Mofaz family company that works closely with a company in Florida that owns a former Malaysia Airlines airliner, virtually identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and MH17. This Malaysian airliner, it just so happens, was sent to Israel in late 2013 where it was parked in a hangar in Tel Aviv. For these and other reasons it is logical that we consider the possibility that the shooting down of MH17 was an Israeli false-flag operation with a twist. Therefore, the real question is not whether Israel was involved, but to what degree was Israel involved in the atrocity?
    A “false-flag operation with a twist” is meant to convey the idea that the downing of MH17 may be a kind of double false-flag operation, i.e. a false-flag within a false-flag. As we know, the United States and its western allies accuse the separatist pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine of downing the passenger airliner with a surface-to-air missile near Donetsk. To this date, however, no evidence has been provided to support this accusation although the United States had a spy satellite over the area where the plane was shot down when it happened. If they have evidence to support their allegation why have they not presented it?



    The Russians, on the other hand, have presented evidence to support the scenario that the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet, allegedly a Sukhoi SU-25. The SU-25 is a Soviet-era ground-support aircraft which the Israelis have modified and upgraded. The Israeli-modified SU-25 is called the “Scorpion” (the SU-25KM), and features advanced avionics with a modern “glass cockpit”. The “Scorpion” was produced in an Israeli-Georgian joint venture with the Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing (TAM) factory that produced the original SU-25. This joint venture project would suggest that the Israelis have a number of the modified SU-25KM planes that could be deployed in a false-flag operation.




    ESSENTIAL EVIDENCE - Ukrainian SU-25 Fighter Detected in Close Approach to MH17
    Video Link - youtu.be/pEvX1CYdwXE


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    The Russians have radar evidence that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter approached the Malaysia Airlines plane before it disappeared from the radar screen. The real question is who was flying the fighter(s) that appeared to be Ukrainian planes? Did they shoot down MH17?

    http://bollyn.com/public/scorpion-2.jpg

    The Israeli-modified SU-25KM is produced by Elbit of Israel and TAM, the original maker of the SU-25

    http://bollyn.com/public/scorpion-6.jpg

    The Elbit logo can be seen on the side of this plane. Was a plane like this involved in the downing of MH17?

    If the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet at 33,000 feet and the anti-Kiev rebels have been wrongly blamed then it would be a simple false-flag operation. If, however, this was a false-flag operation in which the plane was shot down by a third-party, by Israelis for example, then we would have what I call a false-flag with a twist.



    The Israelis would have several motives to shoot down MH17. Firstly, they may want to punish Malaysia for having set up the Kuala Lampur War Crimes Commission, which found the state of Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people in November 2013. Secondly, they may be seeking to punish Holland for the fact that the largest pension fund in The Netherlands decided earlier this year to withdraw all its investments from Israel’s five largest banks because they have branches in the West Bank and are involved in financing the construction of illegal Jewish settlements on occupied territory.



    There are some who might find this line of reasoning to be unfair to Israel, “the Jewish state” and “America’s best friend in the region.” To them, I would simply say: You do not understand the true nature of the Zionist beast. Israel operates like a gangster state that uses murder and intimidation to force nations to submit to its will. The Israelis would think that the downing of MH17 should be considered a message to the governments of Malaysia and The Netherlands and that other nations would be wise to take note of what happens to countries that challenge Israel.



    If Israel were a person it would be a psychopathic serial killer on the loose. The psychopath who is a serial killer might appear to be a nice, intelligent, and civilized person – but that is only how he appears. When no one is looking he murders people in cold blood and gets away with it, time after time. The fundamental problem with his worldview is that he believes that he is superior to other people and that their lives are worth nothing. This is exactly how the Jewish supremacists who rule Israel view non-Jews. This is what is taught in Jewish yeshivas where the anti-Christian Talmud is the doctrine and source of all knowledge.



    The Zionist state of Israel engages in wars of aggression and commits genocidal war crimes and massacres in plain sight and gets away with it, time after time, decade after decade. Anyone who has studied the history of Zionism and followed the actions of the state of Israel over the decades knows this very well. The historical record is quite clear: the Zionist state was created by terrorism and deception and that is how it operates to this day. Israel's latest aggression against Gaza in which family homes, schools, hospitals, and mosques have been targeted shows that the Zionist state uses terrorism on a daily basis and has absolutely no respect for the lives of non-Jews.



    Zionists have exploited “the Holocaust” myth to gain political power. Using "the Holocaust" as their shield, the Zionists have forced the international community to give Israel a free pass for its flagrant crimes. As a result, Israel has a permanent "Get Out of Jail" card. The failure to hold Israel accountable for its many egregious crimes, however, has facilitated the creation of a Frankenstein state that has now turned on those who fostered it. The so-called “Jewish state” has become a monster that commits atrocities in full view of the world – with impunity. Individual states and leaders are now afraid to criticize Israel because they don’t want to endanger their positions – or their nations.



    In looking as the possibility of Israeli involvement in the downing of MH17 let’s start with the first question that should be asked about any such atrocity: Do any of the given explanations make sense?



    It is quite obvious that it makes no sense whatsoever for the pro-Russian rebels to intentionally shoot down a Malaysian passenger plane. Furthermore, it doesn’t make any sense for the Ukrainians to shoot down the plane either. It is hard to believe that a Ukrainian military pilot would knowingly shoot down a passenger plane and commit an act of mass murder, especially with the awareness that their actions would be seen by radar on the ground in Russia and by satellites above them.



    So, who might have shot MH17 down? To answer this question we need to ask another: Who benefits from the atrocity? While it is quite clear that the United States and the western allies are trying to put the blame on the pro-Russia rebels, and by extension on Russia and Vladimir Putin, simply blaming the rebels and Russia without providing any evidence to prove their case suggests that they have no proof.



    The anti-Russia faction in the United States and Europe is clearly trying to smear Russia and Putin with the blame. This faction is led by the Zionist Neo-Cons in the Obama administration, people like Victoria Nuland (Kagan), the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State who managed the violent putsch in Kiev in February. It should be noted that Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the person Nuland chose to be prime minister of the unelected government in Ukraine, abruptly resigned on July 24, 2014, one week after the downing of MH17. Was the shooting down of the airliner a bridge too far for Yatsenyuk? It certainly would appear so.



    The anti-Russia faction in Washington is the Zionist war agenda gang that dominates the Obama administration, the governments of Britain, Canada, and the European member states of NATO. The supposed leaders of these nations are really just Zionist “administrators” serving the masters who put them in power. This is why these weak national “leaders” speak in unison to defend Israel’s genocidal aggression against Gaza – as Israel’s right to self-defense – while condemning Russia and applying sanctions for offenses it has not even committed. This is the group, completely controlled by Zionists, which clearly seeks to advance its agenda of war and conquest from the MH17 atrocity.



    While we cannot say with certainty that Israel was involved in the downing of MH17, we can say that it had both the motive and the capability to do so, which is more than we can say for the pro-Russian rebels who have neither the motive nor the capability but who have been wrongly blamed by the Zionist faction for the crime.



    Sources and Recommended Reading:



    “America the Target: 9-11 and Israel's History of False Flag Terrorism” by Christopher Bollyn, Solving 9-11, January 14, 2008
    http://www.bollyn.com/america-the-target-9-11-and-the-history-of-false-flag-terrorism
    “Evidence Is Now Conclusive: Two Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Shot Down Malaysian Airlines MH17. It was Not a ‘Buk’ Surface to Air Missile” by Eric Zuesse, GlobalResearch.ca, August 4, 2014
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814
    Ihor Kolomoyskyi, Wikipedia, August 9, 2014
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi
    “Largest Dutch pension fund boycotts Israeli banks over settlement ties” by Barak Ravid, Ha’aretz, January 8, 2014
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.567548
    “MH17 Brought Down by Air-to-Air Missile, Finished Off by 30-mm Cannon, Experts Allege,” RIANovosti, August 6, 2014
    http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140806/191783761/MH17-Brought-Down-by-Air-to-Air-Missile-Finished-Off-by-30-mm.html
    "Su-25KM Scorpion," YouTube.com, November 17, 2007
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAszf4XPTFo
    “The Hallmarks of Zionist Atrocities: 9/11, Gaza, and Other Crimes” by Christopher Bollyn, August 6, 2014
    http://www.bollyn.com/the-hallmarks-of-zionist-atrocities-911-gaza-and-other-crimes/
    “Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash – Moscow,” (Important video of Russian radar findings) RT.com, July 21, 2014
    http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/
    “Upgraded Su-25KM Proposed by Elbit, TAM,” Defense-Update.com, August 9, 2014
    http://defense-update.com/news/su25KM.htm


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    Re: MALAYSIA AIRLINES loses contact with flight carrying 239 en route to Beijing

    not much new stuff posted on this topic these days. This was linked on WhatReallyHappened today but the link was to LiveLeak and they pulled it for breach of terms.

    From News-Front. Not much new Except much more footage of the victims bodies..... If they were in fact killed on that flight or from some other event. There was significant smell of something like formaldehyde reported by some witnesses to the scene. It might be chemicals from the aircraft, such as the rest room, that they are smelling. Who can tell and we probably won't ever know for sure on that.

    Video Doco. - This has subtitles. Not in english. Except for a very small portion near the beginning.

    http://news-front.info/2015/09/23/21...-flight-mh-17/
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    Re: MALAYSIA AIRLINES loses contact with flight carrying 239 en route to Beijing

    Quote Originally Posted by Horn View Post
    Flight # 17


    I was thinking flight 370

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