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    There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.


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    Probably true!

    Automatic citizen or curse depending on viewpoint depends on being born on America soil real or political.

    Or ether one or both parents are us citizens of that child. That child is automatically granted citizenship, despite where the kid is born as long as one parent is a citizen.

    Blood does count!

    All others can suck eggs and apply.

    They that don't want it can go through the legal process of renouncing all rights of being a citizen here and then finding another country to call home, if they will have you.

    Don't like it here gtfo!

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    Re: There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    Probably true!

    Automatic citizen or curse depending on viewpoint depends on being born on America soil real or political.

    Or ether one or both parents are us citizens of that child. That child is automatically granted citizenship, despite where the kid is born as long as one parent is a citizen.

    Blood does count!

    All others can suck eggs and apply.

    They that don't want it can go through the legal process of renouncing all rights of being a citizen here and then finding another country to call home, if they will have you.

    Don't like it here gtfo!

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    As a US CITIZEN you are a member of the legislative democracy in DC.

    I was born in Minnesota and my birthright is that of a Minnesotan. One of the States under the Constitution guaranteed a Republican form of government.

    You are welcome to stay in DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjon View Post

    As a US CITIZEN you are a member of the legislative democracy in DC.

    I was born in Minnesota and my birthright is that of a Minnesotan. One of the States under the Constitution guaranteed a Republican form of government.

    You are welcome to stay in DC.
    Born here makes you despite what or how you feel. A USA citizen, don't like it renounce your citizenship and rights and find greener pastures!

    Don't let the door hit you on the ass you exit and get the fuck away from what you seem to hate.

    If you can find anywhere in the world that offers better freedom's overall good for you!

    Good chance seeing not all here are represented nor demands but independent, Trumps actions will destroy the Republicans soon! Which is sad, because I am a somewhat independent​ /libertarian mind frame. In the center both sides have good points.

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    Re: There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    Born here makes you despite what or how you feel. A USA citizen, don't like it renounce your citizenship and rights and find greener pastures!

    Don't let the door hit you on the ass you exit and get the fuck away from what you seem to hate.

    If you can find anywhere in the world that offers better freedom's overall good for you!

    Good chance seeing not all here are represented nor demands but independent, Trumps actions will destroy the Republicans soon! Which is sad, because I am a somewhat independent​ /libertarian mind frame. In the center both sides have good points.

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    You are confused, that is no surprise to me.

    Being born in Minnesota makes me a Minnesotan. That is not a US CITIZEN.

    i AM A US CITIZEN, because I, like you, was tricked into being one.

    Hitting the bottle again?

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    Re: There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjon View Post
    You are confused, that is no surprise to me.

    Being born in Minnesota makes me a Minnesotan. That is not a US CITIZEN.

    i AM A US CITIZEN, because I, like you, was tricked into being one.

    Hitting the bottle again?

    Confused, ?

    I think not and you know it..

    Splitting hairs no matter how many times you split it you still have the hair, tho it may not resemble the original hair.

    But it is the same hair..

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    Re: There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.

    I am a Brownie because I was born in a girl scout camp.

    I am a John Deere because I was born in one of their factories.

    I am a corporation because I was born in a municipality.

    I am myself because I am none of the previous things (and am not a candidate for an office of public trust).
    Make me one with everything.
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    Re: There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    Confused, ?

    I think not and you know it..

    Splitting hairs no matter how many times you split it you still have the hair, tho it may not resemble the original hair.

    But it is the same hair..

    Since no law compells me to be a United States Citizen, I chose to be a Minnesotan, which is not a United States Citizen or a Citizen.
    Citizen is a public office.

    Denouncing United State Citizenship gives me back my god given rights that were converted to civil rights.

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    Re: There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.

    The ZIP Code Issue:
    Excerpts from a Personal Letter

    by

    Howard Freeman

    November 11, 1988


    Your letter asks for information on the ZIP Code pursuant to
    something that appeared in the Justice Times some time ago. I
    wish I had in my possession the article you refer to, so that I
    could have some idea of what you already know, and could just
    fill in the details of what you do not understand, but I do not
    have that article, so I'll try to make the "ZIP Code Issue" clear
    to you.

    There are two entities, or nations, called "The United
    States". One is the union of 50 independent States combined into
    a 3-branch (Legislative, Executive & Judicial) Republican Form of
    government under a contract called: The Constitution of the
    United States of America. The Other is a 1-branch (Legislative)
    Democracy, which arises out of the Constitutional Contract
    wherein Congress (the Legislative Branch of the 3-branch
    Republic) was given Exclusive rule over a body of people known
    as: The Residents of the District of Columbia. It should be
    obvious to anyone that, when a governing body (in this case
    Congress) has "exclusive" rule over a people, you have a nation.
    So, in America, we have a small nation, operating upon Roman
    Civil Law principles, within a larger nation which operates upon
    the principles of the Common Law, and is limited in its powers
    and authority by the Constitutional Contract. I could spend the
    rest of the day explaining the differences between Roman Civil
    Law and the Common Law, but instead I will enclose a tape with
    this letter to you, which will do that for me. Please do me the
    honor of listening to this tape on both sides. Many people
    reply, upon my inquiry about the tape I sent to them, that they
    are too busy to listen to it, which remark I consider somewhat
    insulting to me, when I have gone to the expense and trouble of
    getting it into their hands.

    As you know, the Republic called The United States, is
    limited in what it can do by the Constitution, and that
    Constitution limited its Congress to coining money out of silver
    or gold, and limited its borrowing power to those two
    commodities. The Legislative Democracy called: The United
    States, using the same Congress as the Republic, only for its own
    ends, has no limitation of any kind on what it might or might not
    do, since Congress, working in behalf of the Legislative Party or
    Democracy, has the power and authority to issue a paper currency,
    and to declare it to be a "legal tender" for all debt public and
    private. That Congress had no limitation in what it might borrow
    either! So the National Debt that you hear so much about, came
    from that Congress's power to borrow other than silver or gold,
    which was bank credit from the International Banking Houses.

    A Problem: What can the Bankers do? Easy solution, since
    their money controls the news media: keep the citizens of the
    Republic in the dark, get the lawyers busy, and figure ways of
    entrapment, so that the Citizens of the Republic would think that
    it was THEIR Congress that borrowed the bank credit, and that it
    is their problem to pay the usury on that debt. Steps of Legal
    Trickery follow:


    1. The 14th Amendment, which is based upon Roman Civil Law,
    supposedly replaced the 4th Amendment, which is based upon
    the Common Law. That aspect of things is explained on the
    tape enclosed, so I won't go into it here.

    2. Have the Congress of the Republic fail in its duty to
    provide a medium of exchange for its Citizens, thus forcing
    them to do their trading in the "Legal Tender" paper which
    the Congress of the Legislative Democracy has made
    available. I will skip a few other steps here, and get to
    the meat of the information you want, which concerns the ZIP
    Code issue.

    3. The Congress of the Republic must be enticed to consolidate
    50 independent States into 10, not so independent, Federal
    Regions. (What Congress creates, Congress can control, is a
    legal principle.) Now, the same Congress that rules the
    Legislative Democracy may rule the 10 Federal Regions,
    provided the citizens thereof can be kept asleep, and not
    claim their rights under the Federal and State
    Constitutional Contracts.

    4. Have the Post Office Department separate itself from the
    Republic and, in its new independence, create two-letter
    abbreviations for all States (contrary to the lawful State
    abbreviations established by the Legislatures of most
    States) and have the Post Office Department require this new
    abbreviation on all subsidized mail, and suggest it on all
    first class mail, along with the ZIP Code.

    5. Page 11 of the ZIP Code Directory, which can be found in any
    Post Office, will tell you that the first digit of every ZIP
    Code number indicates the Federal Region in which the user
    resides.

    6. Now that the majority of the brainwashed public, belonging
    to the Republic, are educated to employ the two-letter
    abbreviations for their State, which abbreviations were
    never adopted by the State Legislatures as the lawful State
    abbreviations, those using said abbreviation are not making
    a lawful claim of their State residency and, with the use of
    the ZIP code in connection with the new two-letter State
    abbreviation, they are making a lawful claim that they are
    residents of the particular Federal Region in which they
    reside, so they can now be ruled under Roman Civil Law and
    tried in the Admiralty Courts of the Legislative Democracy.

    7. With all of that in place, the Income Tax, which is employed
    to pay the Usury on the National Debt owed by the
    Legislative Democracy, now applies to the Citizens of the
    Republic who fail to properly claim and establish their
    rights as Citizens of their respective States.

    8. It is made to appear "Progressive" in our Schools to refer
    to America as a "Democracy", and somewhat "Reactionary" to
    study the State and National Constitutions in our schools.
    This keeps the public ignorant of the fact that the Congress
    of the "Republic" is limited by Contract from passing any
    penal statute of compelled performance upon the Citizens of
    any State. The Internal Revenue Code is all that type of
    statute, and those statutes ONLY apply to the residents of
    the District of Columbia (see Article 1, Section 8, Clause
    17 of the U.S. Constitution) and also to all those who
    stupidly fail to claim their State residency and allow
    themselves to be given to the status of citizens of the
    United States (meaning the Legislative Democracy) claiming
    themselves to be residents of a Federal Region which is
    ruled over by the Democracy under Roman Civil Law.


    The above is all needed information if you are to understand
    the ZIP Code issue. I hope that I have not worn you out with my
    explanation, as I have done with others, who ask me questions of
    depth, and who only want some shallow, one-sentence reply.

    One other caution before I close: The ZIP Code use, or non
    use, is NOT a "silver bullet" solution to all problems, wherein
    the Legislative Democracy, called the United States, forces
    itself upon you. The enclosed tape will point out other
    solutions. To properly handle oneself in order to keep out of
    Legislative Article I Courts exercising Legislative Power, and
    into the Article III Courts of the Republic which exercise
    Judicial Power, is another whole study in itself. Again, let me
    repeat: There Are No Silver Bullets for those who claim to be
    too busy to study!

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    Re: There is no law that forces us to be US CITIZENS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjon View Post
    The ZIP Code Issue: Excerpts from a Personal Letter by Howard Freeman November 11, 1988
    Your letter asks for information on the ZIP Code pursuant to something that appeared in the Justice Times some time ago. I wish I had in my possession the article you refer to, so that I could have some idea of what you already know, and could just fill in the details of what you do not understand, but I do no thave that article, so I'll try to make the "ZIP Code Issue" clear to you.

    There are two entities, or nations, called "The United States". One is the union of 50 independent States combined into a 3-branch (Legislative, Executive & Judicial) Republican Form o fgovernment under a contract called: The Constitution of the United States of America. The Other is a 1-branch (Legislative)Democracy, which arises out of the Constitutional Contract wherein Congress (the Legislative Branch of the 3-branchRepublic) was given Exclusive rule over a body of people knownas: The Residents of the District of Columbia. It should beobvious to anyone that, when a governing body (in this case Congress) has "exclusive" rule over a people, you have a nation.

    So, in America, we have a small nation, operating upon Roman Civil Law principles, within a larger nation which operates upon the principles of the Common Law, and is limited in its powers and authority by the Constitutional Contract. I could spend the rest of the day explaining the differences between Roman Civil Law and the Common Law, but instead I will enclose a tape with this letter to you, which will do that for me. Please do me the honor of listening to this tape on both sides. Many people reply, upon my inquiry about the tape I sent to them, that they are too busy to listen to it, which remark I consider somewhat insulting to me, when I have gone to the expense and trouble of getting it into their hands.

    As you know, the Republic called The United States, is limited in what it can do by the Constitution, and that Constitution limited its Congress to coining money out of silver or gold, and limited its borrowing power to those two commodities. The Legislative Democracy called: The United States, using the same Congress as the Republic, only for its own ends, has no limitation of any kind on what it might or might not do, since Congress, working in behalf of the Legislative Party or Democracy, has the power and authority to issue a paper currency,and to declare it to be a "legal tender" for all debt public and private. That Congress had no limitation in what it might borrow either! So the National Debt that you hear so much about, came from that Congress's power to borrow other than silver or gold,which was bank credit from the International Banking Houses.

    A Problem: What can the Bankers do?

    Easy solution, since their money controls the news media: keep the citizens of the Republic in the dark, get the lawyers busy, and figure ways of entrapment, so that the Citizens of the Republic would think that it was THEIR Congress that borrowed the bank credit, and that it is their problem to pay the usury on that debt.

    Steps of Legal Trickery follow:

    1. The 14th Amendment, which is based upon Roman Civil Law, supposedly replaced the 4th Amendment, which is based upon the Common Law. That aspect of things is explained on the tape enclosed, so I won't go into it here.

    2. Have the Congress of the Republic fail in its duty to provide a medium of exchange for its Citizens, thus forcing them to do their trading in the "Legal Tender" paper which the Congress of the Legislative Democracy has made available. I will skip a few other steps here, and get to the meat of the information you want, which concerns the ZIP Code issue.

    3. The Congress of the Republic must be enticed to consolidate 50 independent States into 10, not so independent, Federal Regions. (What Congress creates, Congress can control, is a legal principle.) Now, the same Congress that rules the Legislative Democracy may rule the 10 Federal Regions, provided the citizens thereof can be kept asleep, and not claim their rights under the Federal and State Constitutional Contracts.

    4. Have the Post Office Department separate itself from the Republic and, in its new independence, create two-letter abbreviations for all States (contrary to the lawful State abbreviations established by the Legislatures of most States) and have the Post Office Department require this new abbreviation on all subsidized mail, and suggest it on all first class mail, along with the ZIP Code.

    5. Page 11 of the ZIP Code Directory, which can be found in any Post Office, will tell you that the first digit of every ZIP Code number indicates the Federal Region in which the user resides

    .6. Now that the majority of the brainwashed public, belonging to the Republic, are educated to employ the two-letter abbreviations for their State, which abbreviations were never adopted by the State Legislatures as the lawful State abbreviations, those using said abbreviation are not making a lawful claim of their State residency and, with the use of the ZIP code in connection with the new two-letter State abbreviation, they are making a lawful claim that they are residents of the particular Federal Region in which they reside, so they can now be ruled under Roman Civil Law and tried in the Admiralty Courts of the Legislative Democracy.

    7. With all of that in place, the Income Tax, which is employed to pay the Usury on the National Debt owed by the Legislative Democracy, now applies to the Citizens of the Republic who fail to properly claim and establish their rights as Citizens of their respective States.

    8. It is made to appear "Progressive" in our Schools to refer to America as a "Democracy", and somewhat "Reactionary" to study the State and National Constitutions in our schools. This keeps the public ignorant of the fact that the Congress of the "Republic" is limited by Contract from passing any penal statute of compelled performance upon the Citizens of any State. The Internal Revenue Code is all that type of statute, and those statutes ONLY apply to the residents of the District of Columbia (see Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the U.S. Constitution) and also to all those who stupidly fail to claim their State residency and allow themselves to be given to the status of citizens of the United States (meaning the Legislative Democracy) claiming themselves to be residents of a Federal Region which is ruled over by the Democracy under Roman Civil Law.

    The above is all needed information if you are to understand the ZIP Code issue. I hope that I have not worn you out with my explanation, as I have done with others, who ask me questions of depth, and who only want some shallow, one-sentence reply. One other caution before I close: The ZIP Code use, or non use, is NOT a "silver bullet" solution to all problems, wherein the Legislative Democracy, called the United States, force itself upon you. The enclosed tape will point out other solutions. To properly handle oneself in order to keep out of Legislative Article I Courts exercising Legislative Power, and into the Article III Courts of the Republic which exercise Judicial Power, is another whole study in itself. Again, let me repeat: There Are No Silver Bullets for those who claim to be too busy to study!
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