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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

    I think Bill Goode hits the nail squarely on the head:

    From his facebook post

    Bill Goode shared a link.

    Yesterday at 12:07am

    It seems to me that Zinke is not aware that ranchers do in fact graze their cattle on public lands. I feel he needs to be reminded of this fact. All Trump and Zinke talk about in relation to public lands is energy and recreation. They never talk about ranching, which does in fact utilize substantially more public land than energy.

    "Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke says the executive order President Trump will sign Wednesday won’t jeopardize monuments or public lands for the purposes of developing oil, gas, coal, drilling.

    "Zinke briefed reporters on the “Review of Designations under the Antiquities Act,” which Mr. Trump will sign Wednesday in his office at the Department of Interior. The act will direct Zinke to review prior monument designations and suggest modifications to the monuments during the period stretching from Jan. 1, 1996 to now. The monuments bookending that period are the Grand Staircase-Escalante in Utah and the Bear Ears Inter Tribal Coalition, both in Utah, both declared monuments by Democratic presidents."



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    Jolene Kniffing Whatever they are doing is unconstitutional and against God. The land belongs to God who has given the land to the people for their use and benefit, not their corrupt government representatives. God is over all and our judge. If you are going against God, you will suffer the consequences unless you repent and do right.
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    Vickey Gray The key is 1996, this is when the executive branch took over and denied state rights. Executive order # 12898, then set up environmental law, that has no congressional regulation or oversight. It is at the whims of the executive branch.
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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

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    I don't remember where, but I read that there really is no mechanism in place to revoke past designations of national monuments.
    Perhaps there is:
    The Wall Street Journal pointed out earlier this year, “In Myers v. United States (1926), the Supreme Court ruled that the president’s power to appoint officials, with the advice and consent of the Senate, includes the power to unilaterally remove them.”The court said, “The power of removal is an incident of the power to appoint …”



    Editorial: Does it really take a million acres of national monuments in Nevada to protect a few artifacts?

    Posted on April 27, 2017 by Doug Knowles
    by Thomas Mitchell

    President Trump’s signing of an executive order calling for a review of the national monument designations made in the past 20 years prompted the local newspaper to drag out the usual suspects to moan and groan about the need to “protect” the million acres of Nevada land that Obama designated as national monuments in his last months in office.

    Trump called Obama’s use of the Antiquities Act of 1906 to create monuments an “egregious abuse of federal power.”

    “We’re very dismayed,” one of the lock-up-th-land advocates told the local paper. “We worked hard on this for 15 years. I think the issue has been decided.”
    Largely decided without any input for local officials and residents.

    “Today we’re putting the states back in charge,” Trump said Wednesday.

    His Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke said his agency will recommend which monuments should be lifted or, perhaps, reduced in size. He also said local feedback will be sought.
    Before Obama created with a stroke of his pen the 700,000-acre Basin and Range Monument on the Nye and Lincoln border and the 300,000-acre Gold Butte Monument near Mesquite, he might have asked someone to actually read that 1906 law which gives the President the power to declare land off-limits to productive use for the purpose of protecting “historic landmarks, historic and prehistoric structures, and other objects of historic or scientific interest” on public land. The law also says that the designation “shall be confined to the smallest area compatible with proper care and management of the objects to be protected.”

    Does it take a million acres to protect a few petroglyphs and artifacts?

    Though the monuments’ backers say the Antiquities Act grants the president power to create monuments but does not grant the power to rescind previous designations, there is legal precedent that states a presidential right to declare implies a presidential right to rescind.

    The Wall Street Journal pointed out earlier this year, “In Myers v. United States (1926), the Supreme Court ruled that the president’s power to appoint officials, with the advice and consent of the Senate, includes the power to unilaterally remove them.”



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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

    The Washington Times reports the Department of Interior inbox is filling with emails re the undoing of Obama's land grabs. I read the environmentalists have already got their lawers working to stop any actions to undo these monuments

    US Interior inbox filling with emails about Nevada monument

    http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/medi...733fd631f6e29c

    In this May 26, 2017, photo, a snake lies dying in a road at the Gold Butte National Monument near Bunkerville, Nev. The monument along the Arizona border in Southern Nevada is among the national monuments under Trump administration review. (AP Photo/John Locher)


    By KEN RITTER

    LAS VEGAS (AP) - A debate is raging in the inbox of the U.S. Secretary of the Interior about whether President Donald Trump should keep the scenic, ecologically fragile and artifact-rich Gold Butte area in southern Nevada as a national monument.

    Comments ranging from “I hope this area will remain protected” to “shut down this monument designation” have been posted in recent weeks about the future of the rugged and arid rangeland covering about 470 square miles (1,217 square kilometers) northeast of Las Vegas.

    Many messages are unsigned. Some only mention Gold Butte among the 27 national monuments under Trump administration review, including the vast Basin and Range region covering 1,100 square miles (2,849 square kilometers) of central Nevada. About half of the 109,000 public comments as of Friday referred to Bears Ears monument in Utah.

    Gold Butte may be best-known as the grazing area at the center of a cattle round-up and armed standoff in April 2014 involving federal land management agents and Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

    The remote area is east of the Virgin River, west of the Arizona state line and northeast of the Lake Mead reservoir behind Hoover Dam. It was named for an early 1900s tent town built by miners and ranchers.
    Today, it attracts hikers, campers, all-terrain-vehicle enthusiasts and researchers trying to decipher ancient rock art symbols of bighorn sheep, desert plants, hand-crafted weapons and human clans.

    “Those lands are part of Nevada’s heritage,” said Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. He fought for years to get support from elected officials, Indian tribes and other groups to protect the area as habitat for the threatened Mojave desert tortoise and rare local species of buckwheat and bear poppy.

    Mrowka said he planned to submit comments for Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke’s review by a July 10 deadline. “Now is not the time to reverse the process and throw open the doors to more development and abuse,” he said.

    Proponents including former Democratic U.S. Sen. Harry Reid convinced former President Barack Obama to designate the area a national monument last December. They point to its Native American artifacts,
    sandstone formations and Joshua tree forests. U.S. Rep. Ruben Kihuen, a Democrat whose district includes Gold Butte, calls the monument a national treasure.

    But Republican members of Nevada’s congressional delegation have been vocal opponents. U.S. Sen. Dean Heller and Rep. Mark Amodei sponsored a measure this year that would restrict the ability of future presidents to designate monuments without approval from Congress.

    “The federal government already controls about 85 percent of Nevada’s public lands,” Heller said in a statement through his spokeswoman, Megan Taylor. It cited “widespread disagreement at the local level” about the designation, and called it “an example of extreme overreach” and a “Washington-knows-best approach.”

    The designation generally allows hiking, hunting, fishing and current oil and mining, but it bans new activity. Livestock grazing in Gold Butte has been banned since 1998, under a Clark County law designed to conserve tortoise habitat.

    Some writers who identified themselves as local residents said they want the federal government to leave the land alone.

    One who said he lives in the nearby town of Bunkerville complained that ranchers were “kicked off their permits or thrown in jail” and miners had lost their claims. Monument designation only makes matters worse, he said.

    Another said she feared that the monument designation would draw more tourists to the area.
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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

    informative watching nyc.dc try to create enviro-spin to 'protect' the least biologically relevant and most hardy of rural areas - the desert west, the arctic tundra, etc..

    at same time nyc.dc pushes for more drilling/producing in prolific and fragile wildlife areas like the gulf of mexico and forest land in NE texas/NW louisiana, rural penn, more..

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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

    Quote Originally Posted by cheka. View Post
    informative watching nyc.dc try to create enviro-spin to 'protect' the least biologically relevant and most hardy of rural areas - the desert west, the arctic tundra, etc..

    at same time nyc.dc pushes for more drilling/producing in prolific and fragile wildlife areas like the gulf of mexico and forest land in NE texas/NW louisiana, rural penn, more..
    Maybe they were mortgaged?
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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

    This was the best picture they had to post with this story??
    Quote Originally Posted by monty View Post
    The Washington Times reports the Department of Interior inbox is filling with emails re the undoing of Obama's land grabs. I read the environmentalists have already got their lawers working to stop any actions to undo these monuments

    US Interior inbox filling with emails about Nevada monument

    http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/medi...733fd631f6e29c

    In this May 26, 2017, photo, a snake lies dying in a road at the Gold Butte National Monument near Bunkerville, Nev. The monument along the Arizona border in Southern Nevada is among the national monuments under Trump administration review. (AP Photo/John Locher)


    By KEN RITTER

    LAS VEGAS (AP) - A debate is raging in the inbox of the U.S. Secretary of the Interior about whether President Donald Trump should keep the scenic, ecologically fragile and artifact-rich Gold Butte area in southern Nevada as a national monument.

    Comments ranging from “I hope this area will remain protected” to “shut down this monument designation” have been posted in recent weeks about the future of the rugged and arid rangeland covering about 470 square miles (1,217 square kilometers) northeast of Las Vegas.

    Many messages are unsigned. Some only mention Gold Butte among the 27 national monuments under Trump administration review, including the vast Basin and Range region covering 1,100 square miles (2,849 square kilometers) of central Nevada. About half of the 109,000 public comments as of Friday referred to Bears Ears monument in Utah.

    Gold Butte may be best-known as the grazing area at the center of a cattle round-up and armed standoff in April 2014 involving federal land management agents and Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

    The remote area is east of the Virgin River, west of the Arizona state line and northeast of the Lake Mead reservoir behind Hoover Dam. It was named for an early 1900s tent town built by miners and ranchers.
    Today, it attracts hikers, campers, all-terrain-vehicle enthusiasts and researchers trying to decipher ancient rock art symbols of bighorn sheep, desert plants, hand-crafted weapons and human clans.

    “Those lands are part of Nevada’s heritage,” said Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. He fought for years to get support from elected officials, Indian tribes and other groups to protect the area as habitat for the threatened Mojave desert tortoise and rare local species of buckwheat and bear poppy.

    Mrowka said he planned to submit comments for Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke’s review by a July 10 deadline. “Now is not the time to reverse the process and throw open the doors to more development and abuse,” he said.

    Proponents including former Democratic U.S. Sen. Harry Reid convinced former President Barack Obama to designate the area a national monument last December. They point to its Native American artifacts,
    sandstone formations and Joshua tree forests. U.S. Rep. Ruben Kihuen, a Democrat whose district includes Gold Butte, calls the monument a national treasure.

    But Republican members of Nevada’s congressional delegation have been vocal opponents. U.S. Sen. Dean Heller and Rep. Mark Amodei sponsored a measure this year that would restrict the ability of future presidents to designate monuments without approval from Congress.

    “The federal government already controls about 85 percent of Nevada’s public lands,” Heller said in a statement through his spokeswoman, Megan Taylor. It cited “widespread disagreement at the local level” about the designation, and called it “an example of extreme overreach” and a “Washington-knows-best approach.”

    The designation generally allows hiking, hunting, fishing and current oil and mining, but it bans new activity. Livestock grazing in Gold Butte has been banned since 1998, under a Clark County law designed to conserve tortoise habitat.

    Some writers who identified themselves as local residents said they want the federal government to leave the land alone.

    One who said he lives in the nearby town of Bunkerville complained that ranchers were “kicked off their permits or thrown in jail” and miners had lost their claims. Monument designation only makes matters worse, he said.

    Another said she feared that the monument designation would draw more tourists to the area.
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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

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    Maybe they were mortgaged?
    they need to sell some of that sh-t and put the money they stole back into the social security fund. think i remember finding that the dc balance sheet includes 150 trillion in assets. a fraction of that sold would shore up the ss fund for as far as the eye can see. it's only right, they used ss funds to buy/maintain those same assets. sell that shit!

    but they never NEVER talk about dc balance sheet. only cash flow.....dims and repugs alike lie lie lie that we need to endure cuts because not sustainable. sustainable was deposited in the fund - the fckers stole it and used it to do all kinds of shit, including bulking up the balance sheet

    it's a simple fix and a just fix

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheka. View Post
    they need to sell some of that sh-t and put the money they stole back into the social security fund. think i remember finding that the dc balance sheet includes 150 trillion in assets. a fraction of that sold would shore up the ss fund for as far as the eye can see. it's only right, they used ss funds to buy/maintain those same assets. sell that shit!

    but they never NEVER talk about dc balance sheet. only cash flow.....dims and repugs alike lie lie lie that we need to endure cuts because not sustainable. sustainable was deposited in the fund - the fckers stole it and used it to do all kinds of shit, including bulking up the balance sheet

    it's a simple fix and a just fix
    S.S. is a scam and should be ran down. Set a cut off date. Cut the S.S. tax down in increments to keep it viable. Medicare is a different story. Illinois is under a court order to fund their portion. Ability to pay be damned!
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    I'd rather see these monuments preserved than sold off to a bunch of chinks or Saudis or some POS Hollywood celeb.
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    Re: trump moves to reverse obomba's massive land grabs

    Quote Originally Posted by Stop Making Cents View Post
    I'd rather see these monuments preserved than sold off to a bunch of chinks or Saudis or some POS Hollywood celeb.
    Maybe Trump's Jewish collaborators in Jew York City can buy them?
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