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    Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Centralized banking and all other forms of intermediary rentier skims are presented as solid. If history is any guide, these supposedly solid entities may well melt into air.

    Why is bitcoin considered such a big deal? Why has it grabbed so much mind-share, and why is it skyrocketing? And why is the cryptocurrency sector going bonkers?

    The short answer is that cryptocurrency is the first major innovation in money in 300+ years, back when central banks first emerged in the late 1600s as centralized clearing houses for international payments and sole issuers of national bank notes/currency.

    (Those who trace central banking to the Bank of Amsterdam's founding in 1609 might say it's the first major innovation in 400 years.)

    Why is it an innovation? There are four basic reasons:

    1. It's a form of private-sector issued money. It is not issued or controlled by any government or central bank.

    2. It is structured in a completely different manner than conventional central-bank issued currency: it is a digital form of money that is issued as payment for those who maintain the database (the blockchain) on their privately owned computers. Since the blockchain is distributed over numerous computers, it is decentralized and distributed rather than centralized.

    3. It enables trusted transactions between parties without requiring the services of an intermediary, i.e.a bank which acts as a trusted clearing house for transactions.

    4. In the case of the first cryptocurrency, bitcoin, its issuance of tokens (coins) is limited by its design to 21 million coins. No central authority can issue more bitcoins, nor does the structure of the bitcoin blockchain allow for further issuance.

    To grasp the significance of these four characteristics, we have to go back to the early history of modern capitalism. My longstanding recommendation is to start with Fernand Braudel's 3-volume history, Civilization and Capitalism, 15th-18th Century:

    The Structures of Everyday Life (Volume 1)

    The Wheels of Commerce (Volume 2)

    The Perspective of the World (Volume 3)

    Many of the functional pieces of modern capitalism were private-sector innovations, starting with banking and credit (some of which was borrowed from Arab traders). In the good old days of the 1500s, if the King of Spain wanted to finance a costly voyage around the world (Magellan's circumnavigation in 1519-1522), he turned to private-sector lenders.

    Insurance, stock markets, futures markets and options were all private-sector innovations designed spread the risk and reward of ventures such as trading voyages to the Spice Islands.

    Since so many ships were lost at sea, backers sought insurance for the losses, and the trade in shares of the ship's cargo and the insurance against its loss enabled a lively trade in these financial instruments that were the rough equivalent of modern-day options.

    When a merchant vessel was seriously overdue, the value of the shares of its cargo plummeted as investors gave up hope of earning their hoped-for return. So some enterprising traders paid watchers to scan the shoreline for incoming ships matching the description of the overdue ships.

    Should the overdue ship appear off the coast of France, runners would hurry to Amsterdam to inform the trader who would then promptly scoop up cheap shares of the cargo, scoring huge profits when the ship docked a few days later, cargo intact.

    The rate of expansion of private-sector innovations is much higher than those of centralized authority. Centralized authority must act deliberately, and in consultation with all the various power centers of the society and economy. Disagreements can incapacitate the system for years or even decades.

    The private sector, in contrast, is a free-for-all of a multitude of players with an enormous range of ideas, schemes, scams, risk appetites, insider knowledge (i.e. asymmetric knowledge), capital, expertise and so on, all networked through a fast-expanding spectrum of media and exchanges.

    This private-sector ferment is on display in the cryptocurrency space. Scams and brilliant innovations are shoulder to shoulder in a fast-moving mob. No wonder so many players and traders want to join the mob and figure out some competitive advantage or gain some asymmetric knowledge, knowledge which can be as simple as the understanding that hard forks aren't bad for bitcoin, as so many feared, as each new iteration claims to improve some aspect of bitcoin's functionality.

    Over 100 hedge funds and other institutional players are muscling into the market, anxious to scale in and scale up before competitors grab market share.

    If we compare the market cap of all cryptocurrencies, currently $178 billion, with the total financial assets of the global economy ($300+ trillion) and real estate ($200+ trillion), we get a sense of "early days." Bitcoin's market cap of $100 billion wouldn't even show up as a thin line on this chart of global financial assets:


    http://www.oftwominds.com/photos2017...assets1-17.jpg

    Here is a one-year chart of bitcoin:

    http://www.oftwominds.com/photos2017...sk10-30-17.png

    As Marx presciently noted, capitalism melts all that is solid into air. (All that is solid melts into air.) Centralized banking and all other forms of intermediary rentier skims are presented as solid. If history is any guide, these supposedly solid entities may well melt into air.

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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Bitcoin is not a "coin" and it's not a "currency", it's an electronic toy that has captivated the fluoride addled minds of the gullible and the speculators looking to profit from them.

    Go down to Puerto Rico and ask them the "currency value" of bitcoin or for that matter a debit card when there's no electricity.
    The only ones who benefit from the conflation of money and credit are the issuers of credit with no money.

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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Bitcoin is not a "coin" and it's not a "currency", it's an electronic toy that has captivated the fluoride addled minds of the gullible and the speculators looking to profit from them.

    Go down to Puerto Rico and ask them the "currency value" of bitcoin or for that matter a debit card when there's no electricity.
    Sure, just go down to Venezuela and ask them which currency they prefer. Gold which can be confiscated by the government or Crypto which anyone with a smartphone can utilize.

    You can be a gold bug purists all you want. But it isn't going to change anything. Gold is locked, stocked and under their control, and has been for over a century.

    If the near collapse in 2008 when they dumped literally trillions of dollars into the economy to try and prop it up and Gold couldn't break over 2k didn't show you anything, then you'll never learn.

    How much gold is in Fort Knox again? You don't even know how much they hold so that gives them the total control of shorting it all damn day with a printing press that they also control. Remember when the COMEX couldn't deliver when their gold inventory was nearly wiped out? We all thought for sure it would cause something (liquidation, bankruptcy a spot light on fraud, anything.), instead they instituted cash settlements and the COMEX continues to this day to be the clearing house of fraud and corruption.

    I haven't sold a single ounce of the Gold and Silver I own, your inability to grasp what a tool blockchain technology is due ideological or ignorance really doesn't matter. A system of trustless decentralized individuals is truly ground breaking.

    When the lights go out like in Puerto Rico, you'd also be hard pressed to find someone who would accept gold or silver. In those types of circumstances history has shown that money in any form is completely worthless and people start trading food or sanitation items amongst each other.
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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Anything that has to be translated into a monetary value is not a money. You may be able to barter with it at some level but that doesn't make it money and it sure as hell is not a currency in economic circulation being used as a standardized unit of account and medium of exchange. Bitcoin is an electronic toy, a current fad that will die when the novelty of it wares off.
    The only ones who benefit from the conflation of money and credit are the issuers of credit with no money.

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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Bitcoin is not a "coin" and it's not a "currency", it's an electronic toy that has captivated the fluoride addled minds of the gullible and the speculators looking to profit from them.
    A bit harsh, but essentially true. BitCoin can be used as a weapon for individual goals (e.g., a much higher degree of privacy in e-commerce), but that's pretty much it. It cannot be and never will be a panacea.
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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ares View Post
    Gold is locked, stocked and under their control, and has been for over a century.
    It is almost certain "Satoshi Nakamoto" is the pseudonym of a Jew* and/or the nym of a group working for a state-level "intelligence agency."

    The fact all Rothschild-owned "governments" have not utterly banned BitCoin is solid evidence it is just as controlled.

    Anything thought to the contrary is blind faith.




    * Possibly "Hungarian" lawyer and cryptologist Nick Szabo.
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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ares View Post
    Sure, just go down to Venezuela and ask them which currency they prefer. Gold which can be confiscated by the government or Crypto which anyone with a smartphone can utilize.

    You can be a gold bug purists all you want. But it isn't going to change anything. Gold is locked, stocked and under their control, and has been for over a century.

    If the near collapse in 2008 when they dumped literally trillions of dollars into the economy to try and prop it up and Gold couldn't break over 2k didn't show you anything, then you'll never learn.

    How much gold is in Fort Knox again? You don't even know how much they hold so that gives them the total control of shorting it all damn day with a printing press that they also control. Remember when the COMEX couldn't deliver when their gold inventory was nearly wiped out? We all thought for sure it would cause something (liquidation, bankruptcy a spot light on fraud, anything.), instead they instituted cash settlements and the COMEX continues to this day to be the clearing house of fraud and corruption.

    I haven't sold a single ounce of the Gold and Silver I own, your inability to grasp what a tool blockchain technology is due ideological or ignorance really doesn't matter. A system of trustless decentralized individuals is truly ground breaking.

    When the lights go out like in Puerto Rico, you'd also be hard pressed to find someone who would accept gold or silver. In those types of circumstances history has shown that money in any form is completely worthless and people start trading food or sanitation items amongst each other.
    You were one of the few smart one's while many of us pooh poohed the idea. Had we have listened when bitcoin was first introduced here, we would be jumping up and down right now.
    I believe Bitcoin was first talked about here when it was $40. A $4,000 investment would be worth $636,400 right now. Congrats to Ares and the others who jumped in!
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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimethink View Post
    It is almost certain "Satoshi Nakamoto" is the pseudonym of a Jew* and/or the nym of a group working for a state-level "intelligence agency."

    The fact all Rothschild-owned "governments" have not utterly banned BitCoin is solid evidence it is just as controlled.

    Anything thought to the contrary is blind faith.




    * Possibly "Hungarian" lawyer and cryptologist Nick Szabo.
    I have yet to see anyone explain how a decentralized ledger (blockchain) can be controlled. Please explain.
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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by EE_ View Post
    You were one of the few smart one's while many of us pooh poohed the idea. Had we have listened when bitcoin was first introduced here, we would be jumping up and down right now.
    I believe Bitcoin was first talked about here when it was $40. A $4,000 investment would be worth $636,400 right now. Congrats to Ares and the others who jumped in!
    Bitcoin like other cryptocurrencies are just units of account. There is no intrinsic value to Bitcoin, that is reserved for Gold and Silver. Always has been, always will be. For modern life when the vast majority of Gold and Silver are controlled to the point of being neutered that they can't even break 2k in FRN value when there is literally trillions of dollars dumped into the economy that tells me something is very wrong, and that while Gold and Silver are a great safe haven, they'll never be able to be unshackled from the Jew while they have their unlimited printing presses all over the world buying each others debt.
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    Re: Why Is Bitcoin A Big Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Anything that has to be translated into a monetary value is not a money. You may be able to barter with it at some level but that doesn't make it money and it sure as hell is not a currency in economic circulation being used as a standardized unit of account and medium of exchange. Bitcoin is an electronic toy, a current fad that will die when the novelty of it wares off.
    I beg to differ. The electronic toy that is constantly adjusted to serve the Jew would be the dollar. You still use it, you still pay for goods and services with it, and by your own definitions it also fails to make the grade of money or even be called a currency.

    I see national currency as Public "money" Bitcoin and other blockchain assets appear to be shaping up as a "Private money".

    I see all of this as the free market attempting to find a solution to over regulation, over burden of debt, and state oppression in peoples daily lives in any transaction that takes place. From buying a house, car, groceries all take place within the states oversight and can be taken away at will (frozen bank account.)

    If anything Bitcoin, blockchain etc get people to look at currencies in general and to re-evaluate what is money. Whether you me or anyone here likes it or not. Cryptos are reaching an audience that we could never dream possible.

    Unless you have a better solution this "toy" as you call it will continue to advance and offer other services. There is even a new one called Waves that I find just as ground breaking as Ethereum as it offers a decentralized Exchange. One in which that cannot be shut down by governments like btc-e was and you're not trusting your funds to an Exchange wallet that could be hacked.
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