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    Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks, which became a focal point of the US gun control debate after being used in the nation's deadliest shooting in modern history


    • The Trump administration moved Tuesday to officially ban bump stocks
    • Bump stocks allow semi-automatic weapons to fire like automatic firearms
    • The administration has made them illegal to possess beginning in late March
    • Bump stocks became a focal point of the national gun control debate after they were used in October 2017 when a man opened fire from his Las Vegas hotel
    • A total of 58 people were killed at a country music concert and hundreds injured in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history
    • In March, Trump said his administration would 'ban' the devices, which he said 'turn legal weapons into illegal machines'

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6508579/Trump-administration-moves-ban-bump-stocks.html

    PUBLISHED: 11:16 EST, 18 December 2018 | UPDATED: 18:27 EST, 18 December 2018

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    The Trump administration moved Tuesday to officially ban bump stocks, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly like automatic firearms, and has made them illegal to possess beginning in late March.

    The devices will be banned under a federal law that prohibits machine guns, according to a senior Justice Department official.

    Bump stocks became a focal point of the national gun control debate after they were used in October 2017 when a man opened fire from his Las Vegas hotel suite into a crowd at a country music concert below, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

    The regulation, which was signed by Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker on Tuesday morning, will go into effect 90 days after it is formally published in the Federal Register, which is expected to happen on Friday, the Justice Department official said.

    The official wasn't authorized to discuss the matter publicly ahead of the regulation's formal publication and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.
    In March, President Donald Trump said his administration would 'ban' the devices, which he said 'turn legal weapons into illegal machines.

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    A bump stock device, (left) that fits on a semi-automatic rifle to increase the firing speed, making it similar to a fully automatic rifle, is shown next to a AK-47 semi-automatic rifle, (right) at a gun store on October 5, 2017 in Salt Lake City, Utah. The Trump administration is moving to officially ban bump stocks

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    US President Donald Trump participates in a roundtable discussion on the Federal Commission on School Safety report at The White House in Washington, DC on December 18

    Shortly after the president's comments, the Justice Department announced that it had started the process to amend federal firearms regulations to define bump stocks as machine guns.

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sought public comment on the proposal, drawing more than 35,000 comments.

    The amended regulations reverse a 2010 ATF decision that found bump stocks did not amount to machine guns and could not be regulated unless Congress changed existing firearms law or passed a new one.

    In the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, there was a growing push by some members of Congress to ban bump stocks, but no legislation was passed. At least 10 states have sought their own restrictions on the devices.

    People who own bump stocks will be required to either surrender them to the ATF or destroy them by late March, the official said.

    The change has undergone a legal review and the Justice Department and ATF are ready to fight any legal challenge that may be brought, the official added.

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    Bump stocks became a focal point of the national gun control debate after they were used in October 2017 when a man opened fire from his Las Vegas hotel

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    A total of 58 people were killed and hundreds injured in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. Las Vegas police are seen along the streets outside the country music festival grounds after a active shooter was reported on October 1, 2017 in Las Vegas, Nevada

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    People carry a person at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival after gunfire was heard on October 1, 2017 in Las Vegas

    The amended rule was met almost immediately with resistance from gun rights advocates, including Gun Owners of America, which said it would file a lawsuit against the Justice Department and ATF in order to protect gun owners from the 'unconstitutional regulations.'

    'These regulations implicate Second Amendment rights, and courts should be highly suspect when an agency changes its 'interpretation' of a statute in order to impair the exercise of enumerated constitutional rights,' the organization's executive director, Erich Pratt, said.

    Police said the gunman in the Las Vegas massacre, Stephen Paddock, fired for more than 10 minutes using multiple weapons outfitted with target scopes and bump stocks.

    Paddock fatally shot himself after the shooting and there were 23 assault-style weapons, including 14 fitted with rapid-fire 'bump stock' devices, strewn about the room near his body on the floor of his 32nd-floor hotel suite at the Mandalay Bay casino-hotel.

    The largest manufacturer of bump stocks, Slide Fire Solutions, announced in April that it was going to stop taking orders and shutting down its website.
    The remaining stock of the devices is now being sold by another company, RW Arms, based in Fort Worth, Texas.
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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    Some glaring problems right off the bat:

    Ex post facto (can't call it a law 'cause the Executive branch cannot 'make' law, which leads to...)

    It's not law.

    It's a taking of property without compensation.

    I'm thinking Trump did this to derail the dims' efforts along these lines because surely this will be tried in the courts.
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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    The Dims in Massachusetts passed a law making the penalty for bump stock possession to be LIFE IN PRISON.

    Guess how many bump stocks got surrendered in Massachusetts after this ban went into effect.

    Four.
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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    Quote Originally Posted by midnight rambler View Post
    Some glaring problems right off the bat:

    Ex post facto (can't call it a law 'cause the Executive branch cannot 'make' law, which leads to...)

    It's not law.

    It's a taking of property without compensation.

    I'm thinking Trump did this to derail the dims' efforts along these lines because surely this will be tried in the courts.
    "The Law" is whatever Federal priests in black dresses say it is.

    If you or I were "justices," we wouldn't even get to ex post facto or the Fifth Amendment ("takings"). Such decree would end with "shall not be infringed." Alas, we are neither Jewish nor Freemasons.

    I'm thinking the Trump regime is simply wishy-washy on the Second Amendment again.
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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    Quote Originally Posted by midnight rambler View Post
    The Dims in Massachusetts passed a law making the penalty for bump stock possession to be LIFE IN PRISON.

    Guess how many bump stocks got surrendered in Massachusetts after this ban went into effect.

    Four.
    They can make it a capital offense, if they like. When mere possession of such tools is punished with Draconian measures, that's when you need such tools the most.

    Keep it up! Impose the death penalty for all gun owners! All you fuckers will succeed in doing is applying the death penalty to your armed goons who try to "enforce" such bullshit.
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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    It cant be just me that sees something seriously "WTF" here...
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12...5173405545.jpg

    Sorry if it's a derail, but it's sorta kinda relevant... seeing as how this event was the primer...
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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewTech View Post
    It cant be just me that sees something seriously "WTF" here...
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12...5173405545.jpg

    Sorry if it's a derail, but it's sorta kinda relevant... seeing as how this event was the primer...
    "...and...ACTION!"


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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewTech View Post
    It cant be just me that sees something seriously "WTF" here...
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12...5173405545.jpg

    Sorry if it's a derail, but it's sorta kinda relevant... seeing as how this event was the primer...
    This shot definitely shows a staged action. Note the two men who are quite casual while the others are acting as if under fire.

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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    Be sure you follow this guidebook carefully! LOL


    https://www.atf.gov/file/133136/download

    Bump Stock Destruction Instructions

    • For destruction, regardless of manufacture or model, a Bump Stock must be completely crushed, melted or shredded where the Bump Stock is incapable of being readily restored.
    • If the abovementioned (sic) means are not available, torch cutting is the alternate means of destruction. When utilizing torch-cutting, a Bump Stock must be completely severed with a cutting torch in the areas destroying critical design features denoted by the red lines in the specific model of Bump Stock destruction diagram.
    • The Bump Stock must be completely severed in each area indicated by the red line. Those areas must be cut in a manner that removes at least ¼ inch of material at each cut location. Destruction by any other means not described above is not authorized by ATF.
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    Re: Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

    This better get struck down.

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