Karma...

[vacuum]

Confusion arrives at the being "made" part.

As its already there, no pilgrimage is required.

"We" are taught to avoid ourselves, and "be" pilgrims.

You don't know who you are.

I'm not sure what you're first sentence means, but you're right that it fundamentally comes down to what "I" means. Just like your body is made of many parts (systems, organs, cells) "you" are also made of many parts - the body and its parts, the ego and its parts (which are hundreds), non-physical bodies, and possibly a spirit.

Using descriptors to identify yourself "I am a basketball fan", "I am a smart person", "I know who I am and strongly believe in x, y, and z" gives you the illusion that you are one whole, self-consistent, individual.

The truth is, if you are nothing more than a scattered set of impulses than it doesn't really matter what you do. It doesn't matter if you're altruistic, or if you are a criminal. You can't make a difference in the world either way. It's only when you solidify inside and obtain a true Will that you and help others (or accomplish anything). The (truly) evil people in the world have developed a super strong and dominant ego, which is controls every impulse they have, and strives to consume everything around it. The "good" or "enlightened" people have connected to their spirit and it is that tiny spark which is able to control their actions.

Any talk of pilgrimages, altruism, or any other external focus as "the answer" is false.

[MAGNES]

OK then... I've decided how to decide who gets the Silver Karma. The first person (who's posted in this thread) to PM me with their (postal) address will have an envelope of silver mailed to them tomorrow. Thanks to all of you for making this a much more interesting than expected thread!

BTW, I'm making a 400 mile car trip tomorrow, so I'm not worried about "revealing" anything about my actual physical location, which only 4 of you on this forum know the general gist of anyway!

Gaillo, John, Madfranks, you guys should be proud of yourselves, you have already given more than anyone.
Especially Gaillo. And everyone here benefited by the right thing being done by many working together.

I didn't want to ruin your thread so I dropped two posts, my first post is directly
related to both of the ones I dropped, I think you get it. I left the authors out,
Socrates, Aristotle, Mark Twain, cherry picked timeless quotes of truth,
Western, these forums are a microcosm of society, we lived those quotes.
First post I dropped was gim related, karma , she can be a real biatch,
second post was about Western Philosophy, these ideas are more developed,
this is not " eastern ", there are forces, they balance themselves out, self regulating,
and they have everything to do with doing the right thing and justice, freedom,
good order, peace, war, law, etc. The good outweighs the bad, society progresses,
these forums are proof of this as well, again, a microcosm of society.
This is Western Philosophy. You need people, leaders stepping up and doing
the right thing, that creates good " karma " for everyone.

I would like people to read my quotes again after reading this post.

This is a very interesting thread.

[sirgonzo420]

What a beautiful thing is a sunny day!The air is serene after a storm,The air is so fresh that it already feels like a celebration.What a beautiful thing is a sunny day! But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face! When night comes and the sun has gone down,I almost start feeling melancholy;I'd stay below your windowWhen night comes and the sun has gone down. But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face!

Just checkin'.

Never can be too careful.

[MAGNES]

You are the entire *Cosmos*

Where did you learn to speak Greek, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.

[vacuum]

Where did you learn to speak Greek, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.

Are you saying you agree with his statement because it aligns with Greek tradition, and want to know where else he is getting the idea from?

[Horn]

You can't make a difference in the world either way. It's only when you solidify inside and obtain a true Will that you and help others (or accomplish anything).

No action is required to "solidify" in my estimation, only the relatedness on your own part will be enough of an example and "compel"-ation to help "make a difference".

Anything planned or sought, after relatedness, tends to end up in the land of click clack once again.

[sirgonzo420]

Where did you learn to speak Greek

I can't speak greek; when I was a child, I tried to learn enough ancient greek to be able to better my understanding of the bible. I taught myself in my house and at the library. Same with ancient (gasp) hebrew. There is much more to the bible in the original tongues than the KJV, of course.

, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

False. I mentioned that ancient greeks liked to fuck little boys, and that that was gay and kinda puts a blemish on their otherwise agreeable existence.

I do not hold them in contempt. So it can't be "clear". I don't hate them at all.

So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.

Why don't you like to talk about Eleusis? What went on there went on for over 2000 years, and the same great men you glorify themselves spoke highly of it.

The ἐποπτεία of the Μυστήρια would know what I mean...

I did cite a source; for one, psilocybe cubensis mushrooms! Truth (in a metaphysical sense) is to be experienced, not written about. Words don't do certain things justice, no? Any decent book about Zen will tell you in the first pages that it isn't really a book about Zen.

My ideas don't come from any books or people - just direct experience with and without psychedelics (or better yet, entheogens) and logic. I appreciate buddhist teachings, but I do not follow Buddha or anyone else. Alan Watts was (and is, through his lectures available in audio) a pretty good entertainer type 'teacher' of Vedanta and buddhist thought for westerners. A friend of his, Suzuki Roshi was a Zen master, and a couple days ago I bought a book of anecdotes his students had put together. It is hilarious! I love Zen, but you can't really read or write about it. It's just Isness.

The Rig Veda, Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads, etc, written by the ancient aryans, contains more wisdom than many modern westerners would ever know. Sanskrit and greek, and english and german and scandinavian languages and latin and the romance languages all come from the same mother tongue.

The people who spoke that language would probably know what I mean.

[Kali]

If you give for the purpose of receiving, you won't receive.

If giving doesn't come from the heart, it's best you sell it.

[Old Herb Lady]

[QUOTE=MAGNES;469725]Where did you learn to speak Greek, you spoke strongly against
the Western Philosophers that built the Western World, making it
very clear your contempt for them.

So I can only ask, what are your sources, what are you reading ?
Where are you getting all these ideas from ? I give sources and
references, you don't seem to do that, so I would like some please.[/QUOTE]


Not sure where Gonzo's sources & references are coming from , Vacuum's are coming from Montalk

[Horn]

OK then... I've decided how to decide who gets the Silver Karma. The first person (who's posted in this thread) to PM me with their (postal) address will have an envelope of silver mailed to them tomorrow. Thanks to all of you for making this a much more interesting than expected thread!

Says, who got the plata?