150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters

[Ares]

There's a time to fight and a time to hide.

These guys fought when they had no support, so the ending was tragedy.


The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.


Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on for their own legends.


If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.

Establishing and maintaining the moral high ground is key if we are to advance liberty. Even if that comes to armed defense, it should always be in defense not provocation.

[Joshua01]

http://s17.postimg.org/x4xzs1trz/126...55744454_o.jpg


Note, this picture doesn't mean he doesn't have a backup pistol under his jacket. Many people have backup pistols.

Usually on the side of their shooting hand. I believe that's the point being made here

[Shami-Amourae]

Establishing and maintaining the moral high ground is key if we are to advance liberty. Even if that comes to armed defense, it should always be in defense not provocation.

If you operate against an enemy who breaks all the rules, while you follow all the rules you'll always lose.

When the revolutionary war was fought the Red coats all marched out in lines and formations. American patriots were like "fuck that", and they hid in trees and shit and picked them off. People who follow the "rules" and "morality" usually are the losers.


If you want to win, you have to get the public on your side. You have to win the hearts and minds.

The original Bundy ranch was successful since it won the hearts and minds of people. People waved American flags, and there's was a pro-Bundy narrative even on Fox News. Militia men came around from the entire country.

The Oregon standoff didn't win the hearts and minds. Everything that happened fell into the "Muh Evil White Christians with Guns" narrative. It turned most of the people in the country against them. This is a huge victory for the Left/Jews. It undid EVERYTHING that the Nevada Bundy ranch standoff set in place. No one even knows the names of the people they were defending. Everyone only knows the name "Bundy".


It doesn't matter if you're in the right. If you're dead, you're fucking dead.

[Shami-Amourae]

Where is the video from the helmet cams/body cams??

You KNOW that video exists. Why not show that video...unless of course there's something to hide. (Duh.)

Feds usually don't wear that stuff. That's just for normal cops not involved in a Federal standoff/manhunt.

[Jewboo]

The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.

Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on with their own legends.

If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.

Me and Jewboo want freedom as much as you do. We just understand STRATEGY, and not throwing yourself out to be the lone hero like in the movies and video games. I get it, you're in love with a Romantic notion of saving the day with Muh Guns. That's how you get killed and remembered as a failure. It's also how you GIVE the government credibility.

If most of the militia people in the US don't support these guys, it's obvious they were doomed from the start. They literally supported a group that DIDN'T want them. Even the Oregon militia wanted nothing to do with this.

http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_f..._330/image.jpg

Exactly. After this idiocy the wives of decent 3 Percenters and Oath Keepers are now telling their husbands to take off their camo costumes and sell their AR-15s. This stunt just destroyed both organizations...

[Shami-Amourae]

Exactly. After this idiocy the wives of decent 3 Percenters and Oath Keepers are now telling their husbands to take off their camo costumes and sell their AR-15s. This stunt just destroyed both organizations...

I hope not. But you may be right.


The Idaho 3% has been a great first line of defense here in Idaho against the rapefugees and other threats. Now their name is tarnished and they will justifiably so be taken down by the Feds since of their "morality". I just hope they can recover from this and keep going on since I like the Idaho 3% a lot.

This is why it's important to think strategically, rather than "doing the right thing for the moral high ground".

We're not in movie or video game. In reality the "moral high ground" is a losing strategy.

[Shami-Amourae]

✓ At the Bundy ranch in Nevada the government attacked the ranchers/reporters.

X At the Oregon standoff an out-of-state militia attacked the government.


Why is this so complicated?

[Jewboo]

✓ At the Bundy ranch in Nevada the government attacked the ranchers/reporters.

X At the Oregon standoff an out-of-state militia attacked the government.


Why is this so complicated?

3 Percenters and the Oath Keepers judged it the same way and kept out of it.

[midnight rambler]

Feds usually don't wear that stuff. That's just for normal cops not involved in a Federal standoff/manhunt.

How do you know that for sure??

[midnight rambler]

I am wondering what was the justification for stopping that crew-cab (driven by Lavoy Finicum) in the first place. Was it being driven recklessly? Was there a warrant out and the police had reason to believe one of the occupants was named in the warrant? Can ordinary motorists be expected to be stopped (pulled over) for no good reason?

The driver, and the passengers, could see they had come upon a trap, set by impostor lawmen (not the local sheriff), and they were being accosted as if one or more occupants in the vehicle were dangerous felons.

I am waiting for someone representing the folks in that vehicle to demand an absolute rational for stopping that vehicle in the first place. For setting up a roadblock, as if a dangerous criminal had escaped a local prison and they were conducting a manhunt. Without that, this should have been viewed as a normal collection of blameless americans heading to some destination on the Oregon highways. Is it no longer safe to go from here to there in a car anymore?

I can imagine how frustrating it was to the driver to see that these outsiders had set up a trap, and had pulled him over FOR NO GOOD REASON. It was obvious to him that these were little more than road bandits, and, absent their local sheriff to provide any legality to this roadblock, he panicked and speed off. I can't bring myself to criticize that action under those circumstances. Why couldn't those jerks have simply had the sheriff there to confront the inhabitants in that vehicle with whatever rational he had to require them to stop and exit the vehicle?

Based on what is being offered up for public viewing, so far, this was out-and-out premeditated murder. The feds will never allow an honest and impartial investigation as to THIER conduct and their guilt in this needless murder of a law-abiding man.

What was the legal basis for interrupting Lavoy Finicum as he went peacefully on his way over the Oregon highways?

'Lying in wait' aka coup de main aka dry-gulching is what lawless highwaymen do.

http://thelawdictionary.org/lying-in-wait/