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I have always likened Plato's "Guardians" in the Republic to the Templar Knights, Masons, Illuminate, etc
Low Pan , I think you and I are on the same side of the arguments above, what you posted here
is wrong, if you stated " the total opposite " it would be correct, I am no expert here but the general brush strokes I know and am careful not to say things I don't know, I had to look this up to refresh my memory even,

The Guardians, no property, no gold, no wealth, they are not allowed to attain anything,
the reason for this is you remove all motives for corruption, Plato is putting this out there
for discussion, just like his whole work, the process is the education, this is a hypothetical,
what if, then these Guardians would do the right thing, protect and govern society, and even
act as soldiers. The total and exact opposite of the occult and masons that work secretly to
corrupt society, if Rothchild and his minions were to be Guardians of Plato's society, they would
need to have all their wealth stripped of them, even still they would need to answer to crimes.
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/2g.htm

Even wikipedia does a good job explaining for now. Sounds like Masons to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republic_(Plato)
The Republic (Greek: Πολιτεία, Politeia) is a Socratic dialogue written by Plato sometime around 380 BC concerning the definition of justice and the order and character of the just city and the just man.[1] It is Plato’s best-known work and has proven to be one of the most intellectually and historically influential works of philosophy and political theory.[2][3] In it, Socrates along with various Athenians and foreigners discuss the meaning of justice and examine whether or not the just man is happier than the unjust man by proposing a city ruled by philosopher-kings. The participants also discuss the theory of forms, the immortality of the soul, and the roles of the philosopher and of poetry in society.[4]

Different profs in university treat these issues different but in general the same.
This is why my advice on studying is good, get different versions, different translation,
author, period, get one from 100 years ago, read the intro and preface and have a
look at what is highlighted, only then begin to read if you are interested, you can also
read sections, they stand on their own in some cases, you don't need to start from
part 1 etc.

Plato is a blood relative of Solon, this is important to understand, what Solon did.

The " theosophists" and masons do target plato, corrupt him, their total opposite,
you cannot separate Plato from the West and Western Philosophy and even Christianity.
The Occult knows what they are doing.

“The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it
consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.” Whitehead, referenced by quite a few scholars
on this for a reason. Plato was a product of the society he lived in, and it all started with
Hesiod and Hales ... a progression, and never ended to major European Philosophers and
Church Fathers.
you are most certainly correct RE Plato's stance. H/e what I am inferring is that the Elite took his controls for ruling (i.e. telling the people what jobs they are to do, who to marry, when to mate, what is to be told in schools, what music is allowed, etc. to control not just the people but the population) and incorporated it on a grand scale (the known world was much smaller in Plato's time). The Elite would never rid the world of debt. They've known for too long that is how to truly enslave people. Make them all indentured servants. I honestly thought the Republic was Plato's bid at a coup and his conversation (in the guise of Socrates) was him feeling out the nobles to determine what side they would be on. Or it could have been his way of immortalizing Socrates after Socrates was put the death. Either way I believe Plato had an ulterior motive and that the Elite use the Republic as the base for their framework to rule the masses, in their own way.
Good points, some elite learn Classics, what works and what does not.

TPTB elite hate Plato, that is why he is corrupted deliberately, the very people this OP was
about, Pike "theosophy", etc, Plato is against elite control, like Solon his blood relative,
he is against the people that murdered Socrates for asking questions and getting people to think,
Socrates and Jesus have a lot in common, that is the setting to Plato's work, and the reasons for it.

Plato himself in these hypothetical worlds he constructs he destroys, he openly states it is
not possible, they would kill him , he and others like him, Socrates, going full circle could
not exist. Openness as opposed to occult hidden. The West vs Oriental Depotism, it is this thread.
Slaying tyrants was sport in the ancient world and a big part of everything we talked of above is part of Greek Mythology. Like these goddesses below. And their images are on PM's too.

Freedom, Justice, Peace, Good Order.

The Greeks were political animals, the very word politics comes from this,
they recognized man was a political animal, corrupt, and that
evil gravitated to power and control, and that you will never get rid of that ever, it is just a fact
of the world and nature, BUT, most are good, and just and you can educate them, they know the
answers, to do the right thing, and that they have to be involved in order to live in a just and
moral state, no involvement equals slow enslavement.

This is where the word, IDIOT comes from, " idiotes " in Greek, apathetic people are idiots,
not involved in the business of the city/state, they have no freedom and put their fate in
others hands, corrupt, Hesiod tells you where freedom comes from, it's base, and the
Founding Fathers of the USA totally ripped him off or maybe it is just a universal truth,
or both, lol, the Occult/Elite have gone after this base over and over, totally destroying
with rivers of blood and even creating dark ages.

Plato stands for Universal Western Truths that will never die so long as there is one
free man alive on the planet, total antithesis to Occult teachings, systems, beliefs and works.

And War and Peace are the same Goddess, No Justice, No Peace.

This is a threat to the corrupt puppet masters, posting this is like saying they should die.
We should kill them all. But people lost the meaning and think it is just some statue.
Plato would approve, and he would approve of physically stopping all conspirators.

Wielding Winged Victory, notice Winged Victory is ready to crown righteousness, the just,
to destroy the unjust, even those guilty of hubris, high public officials, these are not my
opinions, read Hesiod. The Occult uses the very same crowns to crown their works of evil.
Like the UN logo, like the " theo sophist " talisman using a serpent to crown 666.
All corruptions and levels of it.

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The elite may study what works and do the opposite, I believe Rabbi's play that role.
That is the only secret knowledge that exists and few at the top have it.
That is what the Frankfurt School is, the Fabian Society, Tavistock, and Jewish.
And exist for the sole purpose of corruption and destruction of the West.
Only to name a few.