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    Re: Twilight Series = poison for young women

    This guy has it figured out!

    Pics at the link, text below:

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    First off, the author creates a main character which is an empty shell. Her appearance isn't described in detail; that way, any female can slip into it and easily fantasize about being this person. I read 400 pages of that book and barely had any idea of what the main character looked like; as far as I was concerned she was a giant Lego brick. Appearance aside, her personality is portrayed as insecure, fumbling, and awkward - a combination anyone who ever went through puberty can relate to. By creating this "empty shell," the character becomes less of a person and more of something a female reader can put on and wear. Because I forgot her name (I think it was Barbara or Brando or something like that), I'm going to refer to her as "Pants" from here on out.

    So after a few chapters of listening to Pants whine about high school, sucking at volleyball, and being the center of attention, the second major character is introduced. Imagine everything women want in a man, then exaggerate it by ten thousand - and you've got Edward Cullen. The level of detail that the author goes into while describing Edward's appearance is remarkable. At one point while reading I started counting the number of times the author used the expression "Edward's perfect face," and it was far into the double digits. The author excruciatingly details his muscular pecs, clothing, hair, eye color - even his ******* breath (I'm not joking).

    Edward intensely listens to everything Pants has to say, even if she's bitching about she had diarrhea on Christmas or her preferred method for cutting a sandwich in half. As far as the reader is concerned, Edward cares about nothing in the world more than Pants. What the author has done is created a perfect male figure - a pale Greek statue which the reader can worship and in turn be worshipped by.

    So what about men that like Twilight?
    If you're male and you like Twilight, you're gay. I don't mean that in the derogatory sense, I mean it in the "you want to put your testicles against another man's testicles while gripping handfuls of chesthair" kind of way.

    And the movie?
    The movie is just the same uninspired crap shat out onto a film reel. If you like the taste of horse manure on your bologna sandwiches, you're probably gonna like it on your birthday cake as well. The same principle applies with Twilight.

    Beyond that, it's just a romance novel with the occasional vampire teen drama bullshit peppered here and there. It doesn't really break any new ground in the realm of vampire fiction, other than portraying vampires as a family of uncomfortable retards who prance around the woods eating deer and bunny rabbits. There's lots of nervous lip-biting, tender kisses between Pants and Edward, and lengthy descriptions of every feature of Edward's body. Pants is a static character who never really progresses beyond being an insecure vampire fangirl who obsesses over Edward. Whether her character grows beyond that is unknown to me, I'd stopped reading by then and shifted my attention to an electric butt-massaging chair in Sky Mall.

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    Re: Twilight Series = poison for young women

    I'm sorry to say that I got bit by the Twilight bug big time. I've read all four books over and over and over and over again. The movies are so-so; the first one is the best, because it sticks the closest to the book.

    I see all the things you guys have pointed out, but I still like it. It's just a fantasy. And it's pages and pages and pages of hot and heavy foreplay (they don't have sex until the last book, and even then, hundreds of pages into it). I can see why guys don't like it!

    Also, a lot of male criticism seems more like sour grapes, because most men resent other men who are attractive to women.

    They don't cast nearly the amount of scorn nor criticism on similar books/movies where the roles are reversed, and it's a male chasing some beautiful woman that seems to have no other redeeming quality.

    I have to point out, I was really annoyed at how the movie pushed vegetarianism. Notice Bella never eats meat in the movie, and criticizes her father for eating it at the diner? Well, in the book she does the grocery shopping and cooking for the two of them, and many times the main course was meat.

    In the book, Jacob is a so-so character. But in the movie adaptations, Taylor Lautner is definitely H-O-T. He's about the best thing the movies have going for them. Ay-yai-yai! And I say that knowing full well that he's probably gay (because only gay men and/or narcissistic men care that much about their appearance; it's hard work maintaining a six pack that isn't from the fridge).
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    Re: Twilight Series = poison for young women

    Quote Originally Posted by lapis

    I see all the things you guys have pointed out, but I still like it. It's just a fantasy. And it's pages and pages and pages of hot and heavy foreplay (they don't have sex until the last book, and even then, hundreds of pages into it). I can see why guys don't like it!

    Also, a lot of male criticism seems more like sour grapes, because most men resent other men who are attractive to women.

    In the book, Jacob is a so-so character. But in the movie adaptations, Taylor Lautner is definitely H-O-T. He's about the best thing the movies have going for them. Ay-yai-yai! And I say that knowing full well that he's probably gay (because only gay men and/or narcissistic men care that much about their appearance; it's hard work maintaining a six pack that isn't from the fridge).
    Actually (I can't believe women tell each other such things) at least one of my wife's friends reads a section from the book, then basically jumps her husband, without telling him the reason for why she is raring to go...

    I think the sour grapes is accurate, however, it is also the case that men judge other men and if the guy seems a wuss but is still attractive, they resent that... I don't know if Edward is a wuss in the books as he is portrayed in the movie.

    Taylor Lautner is a pretty young guy, he was 16-17 during the shooting of the first film he appeared in and as I understand it, they had the right to fire him ASAP if he didn't keep the 6pack . Dunno about the gayness, weird that he has some of the same mannerisms as Tom Cruise.

    Again I wouldn't know anything about the series were it not for the wife and her friends.

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    Re: Twilight Series = poison for young women

    Quote Originally Posted by ShortJohnSilver

    Actually (I can't believe women tell each other such things) at least one of my wife's friends reads a section from the book, then basically jumps her husband, without telling him the reason for why she is raring to go...
    It certainly does have that effect on most women, and a wise man wouldn't question how she came to be raring to go.

    I think the sour grapes is accurate, however, it is also the case that men judge other men and if the guy seems a wuss but is still attractive, they resent that... I don't know if Edward is a wuss in the books as he is portrayed in the movie.
    A wuss psychologically or physically?

    Like other vampire legends he's physically strong, and moves so quickly that humans can't perceive it.


    Taylor Lautner is a pretty young guy, he was 16-17 during the shooting of the first film he appeared in and as I understand it, they had the right to fire him ASAP if he didn't keep the 6pack.
    That sucks if it's true! That's a lot of pressure on a young person. No wonder these kids go off the deep end after a while.

    Dunno about the gayness, weird that he has some of the same mannerisms as Tom Cruise.
    Huh, I've never noticed. While I think Cruise is attractive, I don't think he's hot like Lautner is. Cruise doesn't seem very warm. However, he is a pretty good actor. I've had a lot of respect for him after he did "Eyes Wide Shut." That took a lot of balls.
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    Re: Twilight Series = poison for young women

    I like the series True Blood a lot. It's actually my favorite TV series ever. To me, it's the only mainstream vampire series beyond Vampire: Bloodlines (the game) that has an intelligent storyline and experience.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTxDNy3du74

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL90iPahGko

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    Twilight Series = WW3 sells Jeeps


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    Twilight=porn for women.

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    Re: Twilight Series = poison for young women

    I tend to disagree but see your point. The movie is largely negro-free so i think it's a good series for kids to watch. With all the pro-beastiality propoganda out there it's nice to see popular teen movies that don't worship the groid and teach kids to commit suicide of their bloodline.

    Although, i suppose you could argue that Bella wanting to mate with a werewolf / vampire is a symbolic promotion of interracial/interspecies breeding.
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    Re: Twilight Series = poison for young women

    my observation - much of what Hollywood puts out is Poison.

    i was getting to like NCIS, but the producer/director Donald Belisario makes it a point to echo the "Scary Muslim Terrorist" theme. the #1 bad guy is a Superman Palestinian terrorist who haunts one of the main characters.


    i'm beginning to like "Breaking Bad". it's about a chemistry teacher who gets cancer and the medical bills mount up. his brother in law is a DEA agent who takes him on a ride-along where they raid a meth lab. the chemistry teacher realizes he could pay his bills as a meth cook.

    sounds terrible, perhaps. they do a fairly good job of showing the damage done by meth.

    but - there's none of the "Scary Muslim" bullshit - i find that to be refreshing. it just shows a family going through hard times.
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