Karma...

[chad]

too many words. "fuck off and leave me alone," is what i use. but, i hear you.

[Horn]

Once connection is made with the spirit, you have everything you need inside of you, and don't require anything else.

Confusion arrives at the being "made" part.

As its already there, no pilgrimage is required.

"We" are taught to avoid ourselves, and "be" pilgrims.

You don't know who you are.

[freespirit]

Now all the metaphysicists will pile in (as programmed to do...) and tell me how I'm an insignificant speck of dust in a vast whirling universe beyond comprehension, and that my existence is short and unmemorable in the "big" scheme of things, blah blah blah. I reply SO FUCKING WHAT? I'm not running for the position of God, I have no illusions about my existence and what it represents in the big scheme of things!

yeah... well... you started this thread...lol

[Gaillo]

yeah... well... you started this thread...lol

Nice!

[Horn]

Iffen you state you know who you are, you are as far from freedom as possible.

[sirgonzo420]

Iffen you state you know who you are, you are as far from freedom as possible.

Says "who"?

[k-os]

Says "who"?

Ha!

[sirgonzo420]

First of all, my posts in this thread are an attempt to communicate the ineffable.

Don't get "trees" mixed up with those green things with branches that grow out of the earth. (That is an attempt, but since it uses words it still doesn't do justice)

The REAL WORLD (the Truth) is unspeakable.

I've been reading this discussion with great interest, but haven't had anything to contribute until now. I guess I let the ideas "percolate" until all of this sort of "distilled out" and became evident to me:

In this collectivist/socialist/controlled society, we are taught from the time we are VERY young that it is BAD to be more than just superficially concerned with ourselves and our own needs. We are taught that altruism (living for the benefit of others) is the highest ideal to which a human being can aspire, and that "pride", "selfishness" and "ego" are negative things that should be avoided. As I stated in my previous post, this type of indoctrination is highly treasured by TPTB, they WANT a population stripped of their sense of self, because such a population is EASY to manipulate through guilt, appealing to "communal" instincts, and taking advantage of charitable urges.

I am an egoist. I am unashamed and proudly proclaim it... because I ALSO have quite a bit of pride. I see pride as a virtue (when earned through proper action, not fantasies of greatness) and something that builds a person up, not a vice. I have a very strong sense of who I am, what I have accomplished in my life, and what my values, needs, and strengths are. Does this mean that I'm the kind of guy who cuts people off on the highway, jumps ahead of everyone in lines, and would claw my way to the top of a bloody hill of corpses to sieze power and be worshipped? Of COURSE NOT! Those are the marks of a diseased mind, the actions of a SELF-AGGRANDIZING individual - someone who has increased their own sense of who they are beyond what has been established by the facts of their existence and actions. I think that due to this society's social programming, the actions and nature of this type of person is OFTEN confused with "ego", even though the connection is superficial. Ego is the sense of self, a person's concept of who and what they are. Nothing more, nothing less.

I like who I am. I am proud of the things I've accomplished in my life. This is NOT a bad thing. Now all the metaphysicists will pile in (as programmed to do...) and tell me how I'm an insignificant speck of dust in a vast whirling universe beyond comprehension, and that my existence is short and unmemorable in the "big" scheme of things, blah blah blah. I reply SO FUCKING WHAT? I'm not running for the position of God, I have no illusions about my existence and what it represents in the big scheme of things! I live a harmless life, I treat other people the way I would like to be (though rarely am...) treated myself. I've contributed SOMETHING to the lives of the people I've come across in this brief life, and created an existence for myself that is comfortable and interesting without using the expedients of fraud and coercion. In the "big picture" or "long run" or whatever you want to call it, isn't that the only thing that's truly worth striving for anyway?

Too much confusion of terms when people talk about these concepts... by deliberate design, I'm sure.

I hear you. Kali Yuga is a bitch!

I see that TPTB preach altruism/socialism, and I am not an altruist or a socialist. Neither am I an egoist.

Not to wax philosophical, but there are no words for what "I" quintessentially am.

first chapter of Tao Te Ching:

The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders

I agree, words and languages are a problem, and this is coming from a guy who appreciates foreign languages.

I think part of the reason why I like languages, is so I can get a feel for the worldview and manner-of-thinking that is birthed by various types of languages, and thus "get beyond" it.

After learning a language, people generally *think* in language, which limits them, and causes confusion (the Tower of Babel comes to mind).

Western mind and Eastern mind is very different. The middle way is key. East and West meet exactly where you are. There is no 'time' but NOW, there is no 'space' but HERE.

Everything everywhere everywhen is a dream in the mind of God.

Sorry if this post is confusing - it was the words' fault! If words didn't exist everyone would know exactly what I mean.

Anyway, I wouldn't call you an insignificant grain of sand or whatever, more like the opposite. You are the entire *Cosmos*, experiencing itself, as centered on your being. What else could you be anyway?

*also called "the Universe", "God", "that which men have called God", "Ultimate Reality", "Truth" and countless other names in infinite incarnations and manifestations.*

The Universe is unfolding as it should.

In short, trust in God, but row away from the rocks!


Anybody having a hard time understanding what I'm talking about might do well to eat 5 grams or so of these and see if they don't have an "Aha!" moment (to some, it's an "Oh shit!" moment, lol):

https://psychesingularity.files.word...-mushrooms.jpg

[Horn]

Says "who"?

What a beautiful thing is a sunny day!The air is serene after a storm,The air is so fresh that it already feels like a celebration.What a beautiful thing is a sunny day! But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face! When night comes and the sun has gone down,I almost start feeling melancholy;I'd stay below your windowWhen night comes and the sun has gone down. But another sun,that's brighter still,It's my own sunthat's upon your face!The sun, my own sun,It's upon your face!It's upon your face!

[Gaillo]

OK then... I've decided how to decide who gets the Silver Karma. The first person (who's posted in this thread) to PM me with their (postal) address will have an envelope of silver mailed to them tomorrow. Thanks to all of you for making this a much more interesting than expected thread!

BTW, I'm making a 400 mile car trip tomorrow, so I'm not worried about "revealing" anything about my actual physical location, which only 4 of you on this forum know the general gist of anyway!