Do You Think Ron Paul Has A Chance?

[LuckyStrike]

He is polling pretty damn good that's for sure, I don't put much faith in polls but I would think if anything they discount his numbers. I got a call probably a year ago about this years GOP race, all automated and RP wasn't even a choice.

I didn't realistically think RP would win in 08 but I did hope he would do much better, this time I'm once bitten twice shy I guess.

What are your thoughts?

[willie pete]

I seriously doubt he'll get the republican nomination

[AndreaGail]

his biggest competitor is not in any of the polls, the electronic voting macines...diebold / premier election solutions

[vacuum]

I think you've got to look back over the last two presidents and try to figure out what's going on. We can see that when Bush and Cheney took power there was a power shift in the country. They did 911 immediately after he got in office, and the goal was to destroy the ME. There were several strong pushes from them to invade Iran, but they weren't able to do so. Then we had Obama, Hillary, and McCain. You would have thought that the latter two would have become president and finished Iran, which was definitely the goal imo. But Obama got in instead, and he has been more or less inept, and hasn't been pushing forward the agenda other than passively. So I view that as a diminishment of "the plan".

So in my view it really depends on how you read into the last election cycle. If things aren't going to plan, perhaps they will continue that way. Maybe Bush's presidency was the big push by the hardline element and it failed. Now the slower (and perhaps more diabolical) element has 1 year to do what they need to do. I have a feeling that if Ron Paul doesn't win, he will at least force their hand. Remember, Soros is behind the OWS movement, so I think they've got some type of 12 month plan which may have some surpises.

[zap]

I have made this statement before, my mom is sheep, oh a partial sheep, but right in there with , oh we need to vote all the congress and senate out, and I have talked to her about Ron Paul, no she says, he is to old to be president.

[joboo]

But Obama got in instead, and he has been more or less inept, and hasn't been pushing forward the agenda other than passively. So I view that as a diminishment of "the plan".

Iran is not a matter of rushing in and finishing the plan. Iran is the exact opposite of finishing any plan. Iran is huge, terrain is brutal, and then Russia, and China have a lot to say about it.

Obama has allowed the plan to advance into how many more new territories? He reversed nothing, and now there's the insane bailouts, and indefinite detention as a Christmas present.

Bush was Obama lite.

The situation is further along now more than ever.

[vacuum]

I'm not saying Obama hasn't done, say, 5x more damage than Bush. The thing is that Bush was an impulse which set the plan into motion. The plan has an exponential curve. So if Bush was in for 12 years instead of 8, I'd argue we'd be worse off now. Of course it's conjecture which I can't prove, but that's my line of thinking.

The thing is that there are independent timetables that "the plan" is constrained by. They have to hit milestones at an ever increasing rate to stay ahead of the natural technological and social forces. So their installed candidate must move the plan forward at a constantly increasing rate or it will fail. Obama has followed what Bush started, but what I'm saying is that his acceleration of it isn't grade A.

edit:
So going back to the OP, of whether Ron Paul has a chance or not, what I'm saying is that I am seeing stress cracks. Whereas previously it was like being run over by a tank, there are fractures emerging. Ron Paul can only cause those cracks to grow and could be directly involved in a rupture. So imo its very worthwhile to support him.

[Joe King]

Iran is not a matter of rushing in and finishing the plan. Iran is the exact opposite of finishing any plan. Iran is huge, terrain is brutal, and then Russia, and China have a lot to say about it.

Obama has allowed the plan to advance into how many more new territories? He reversed nothing, and now there's the insane bailouts, and indefinite detention as a Christmas present.

Bush was Obama lite.

The situation is further along now more than ever.

Yep. Dems and Repubs. They're like two guys runnin' a relay race, handing off the baton to each other. Lap after lap after lap.
....and calling it a race.

[AndreaGail]

Yep. Dems and Repubs. They're like two guys runnin' a relay race, handing off the baton to each other. Lap after lap after lap.
....and calling it a race.

haha i like that analogy

[LuckyStrike]

The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks this.

That they are clearing a way for RP, first it was Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, then Gingrich who just had an absolute metoric rise (due 100% to the media of course) and then fell like dominoes for reasons that TPTB could easily have made go away. My thought process is this, we are in for a world of hurt and I think we can all agree on that, the day of reckoning is coming, maybe we can emerge from it maybe it sends us into SHTF but regardless a storm is coming so when the house of cards collapses who do they want in the drivers seat? Who do they want as the scape goat? Someone who is a carbon copy of every president in the last century or a strict constructionist free market sound money anti Fed person? I'd be very surprised if we didn't have a shock at least as big as 08 during the next 4 years and if Ron Paul was at the helm the media would just lambast him on a continual basis, sure many of their plans would be put on hold for invading this country and that, but after his first term they could have cemented in the minds of the masses that central planning is good and free markets cause catastrophic failure. It would be taught in history books for the next 100 years as a "see we tried the free markets and things came unglued"

You have to understand people who seek world domination have decade long plans, if they have to put a few things on hold for 4 years and then their life will be easier the next 40 it will be worth it. The last thing they want is RP to be remembered fondly and his following to continue to grow. An idea whose time has come is impossible to stop and they know it, so they must kill the idea of freedom.

I'm not saying I totally believe that scenario but I think it is plausible and may be a contingency for them.

Any thoughts on that?