UFO and the nephilim

[Old Herb Lady]

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[Awoke]

If demons don't manifest in the flesh then who are the illuminati ?

They are now beasts who have allowed demons to take over their bodies/flesh and turn against God.

Demons do have the power once the person in the flesh allows them /invites them in.

Don't confuse perfect-possession (Voluntary possession) of a human with a demon having its own corporeal body. In that case it is still just the body of a human, who has willfully given their body over to demons.

[Spectrism]

How could angelic beings mate with women if they were unable to take on physical attributes? There is some linkage with this physical realm that they are able to use. When we hear about UFOs and the aliens as being trans-dimensional, it sounds like the transfer of organized energy into different frequencies of matter. The physical laws we see in this world all lead to more chaos - breaking down organization into less organized parts. The ONLY exception to this is LIFE. Life brings more organization as it collects matter and arranges it. Life is displayed as organized energy.

[Awoke]

I never said angels mated with humans. You guys said that.

afaic, aliens are aliens.(if they exist) Demons are demons. apples and oranges imo.

[Spectrism]

I never said angels mated with humans. You guys said that.

afaic, aliens are aliens.(if they exist) Demons are demons. apples and oranges imo.

Well, yes- that is a good thing to do.... limit comments to what we know. It is true that we cannot be sure angels mated with humans. It is possible that other created species did come here from other planets and were called "sons of god" because of their advanced knowledge and size. These need not be angelic beings. I think it is a limitation of existing language and understanding that could lump various categories together into one word.

Either way, the result of the mix- hybrids, would be a doomed lot with no chance of redemption according to the messages of Messiah and the prophets. And if they are in such a hopeless category, their propensity toward clever evil could be amazing.

[Awoke]

Also another couple things to take into consideration:

The take on "Sons of God" and "Sons of men" as far as the Catholic dogma goes, is as follows:

The sons of God: The descendants of Seth and Enos are here called sons of God from their religion and piety: whereas the ungodly race of Cain, who by their carnal affections lay grovelling upon the earth, are called the children of men. The unhappy consequence of the former marrying with the latter, ought to be a warning to Christians to be very circumspect in their marriages; and not to suffer themselves to be determined in their choice by their carnal passion, to the prejudice of virtue or religion.

This would dissolve the "breeding with angels" theory. I am not saying what I quoted above is fact, I am just sharing.

Also, to bear in mind, when in reference to giants in Genesis 6:4, things were different before the flood. The people lived to be 900 years old, and some theologians assert that they were bigger in stature. I don't know.

However in Numbers 13:33, we see giants referred to again. In this case, it was the people with Moses who were rumouring, nothing more.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Ayn Rand's magnum opus, the novel Atlas Shrugged, is known in Hebrew translation as "Mered HaNephilim" (מרד הנפילים, literally: the revolt/rebellion of the Nephilim)

That's very interesting considering that Atlas, who had to bear the weight of the heavens on his shoulders, was a Titan. Perhaps the ancient deities of old were considered Nephilim?

[madfranks]

Also another couple things to take into consideration:

The take on "Sons of God" and "Sons of men" as far as the Catholic dogma goes, is as follows:

The sons of God: The descendants of Seth and Enos are here called sons of God from their religion and piety: whereas the ungodly race of Cain, who by their carnal affections lay grovelling upon the earth, are called the children of men. The unhappy consequence of the former marrying with the latter, ought to be a warning to Christians to be very circumspect in their marriages; and not to suffer themselves to be determined in their choice by their carnal passion, to the prejudice of virtue or religion.

This would dissolve the "breeding with angels" theory. I am not saying what I quoted above is fact, I am just sharing.

There is nowhere in the entire Bible that says Seth and Enos were righteous and pious. Whereas the Bible discusses the sin of the angels and even compares it to sodom and gomorrah, indicating their sin was deviantly sexual in nature:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Also, to bear in mind, when in reference to giants in Genesis 6:4, things were different before the flood. The people lived to be 900 years old, and some theologians assert that they were bigger in stature. I don't know.

However in Numbers 13:33, we see giants referred to again. In this case, it was the people with Moses who were rumouring, nothing more.

What about Deuteronomy chapter 3:11? It mentions Og, the king of the Giants whose bed was 14 feet long and 6 feet wide!

For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

[dys]

What's wrong with Chuck Missler? I've listened and studied along with his teachings on the nephilim and I've found them to be quite in tune with the Bible.

I can't say definitively that he is a false teacher. I can say that I have a very bad feeling about him, mostly because other false teachers use his stuff. There are masonic connections, there...and connections to the Hebrew roots movement, and connections to the 'spiritual warfare' community. Also, there are rumors of womanizing. Not to say that we are all perfect, not at all...but overall, this guy doesn't pass my smell test. Caveat- rumors can sometimes be disinfo and I am certainly capable of making mistakes with my discernment. A good website to start:
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/20...out-chuck.html

Christians Discerning the Truth About Chuck Missler

Others have done some of this research regarding Missler but want to share my experiences and share these links to expose this false teacher. Years ago, I listened to Chuck Missler's DVDs, CDs, and online Bible teachings, many were sent to me via a diehard fan of Chuck Missler's. Chuck Missler is a popular teacher in Calvary Chapel circles, and even got his start with Chuck Smith's Costa Mesa church. Chuck Missler says even recently on his website that he considers Chuck Smith still to be his "personal pastor" and that along with his business partner, and Walter Martin, he was mentored by Chuck and them, and they have served on each other's board of director's. Hal Lindsey has played a part too where Chuck Missler admits that they shared a long personal relationship and helped him get his start as well.

Chuck Missler is a very popular teacher in Calvary Chapel circles, and in Calvary Chapel many will share his teaching CDs, books and much more. I listened probably to dozens. Now being trained to always test by God's Word, while I was intrigued by in-depth Bible studies, there were things that alarmed me about Missler from the get-go, why did he warn about YK2 which turned out to be the biggest bust going? His Nephilim teachings were strange and kind of raised a red flag--the idea of fallen angels mating with humans seemed more from the uninspired book of Enoch then from scripture. Some of the teachings about the Bible seemed to border on Kabbalah like interpretations of the special meaning and use of words or even specific Hebrew Letters. Why did he advance Bible Codes? Even if he separated from himself from the popular Bible Code books, this was worrisome as well. I myself reading Bible Codes II at a bookstore, saw the scary prophecy [which obviously turned out be false] that a major USA city would be nuked in 2006, and realized with time, those books were just more confusion and using the Bible for sinful divination which was not based on any truth. The focus on Bible Codes in general seemed just more distraction. My worry about Chuck Missler being a false teacher and not just making normal human errors or misjudgements, grew stronger and strong.



It got even worse, the false doctrines piled to the ceilings with Chuck Missler's wife publishing a book he supports called "The Kingdom, Power and Glory" which said that so called "carnal Christians" [there really is no such thing] during the Millennium will be sent away from the Lamb's Supper Table to go stew in "darkness". This one floored me because it basically spoke of a Protestant Purgatory or at the very least putting Christians back under the law. Even Dave Hunt, who says he considers Missler a friend came out against this book warning of its false doctrines considering this "outer darkness".

But the picture grows even darker. With further study, one can find out that Chuck Missler is purported to be a member of the Council for National Policy, a group that has oddly both the antichrist Reverend Moon [who claims to the Messiah today], and Catholic Knights of Malta members and even has been headed by a Catholic president until at least last year coupled with Tim LaHaye who helped found it. The Reverend Moon connections to this group and others like it have made for some odd Christian right bedfellows . What was scary were the so called "Christians" who excused this, saying politics trumped the teachings of the Bible.

But as I looked over more and found out about Chuck Missler's connections to the Swansat Project things got even stranger and surreal. As the website Discerning the World asked in a different way: I too ask: What kind of born again Christian pastor would be behind a program like this? That seems one world government to the core: "Learn how SWANsat™ can help stabilize the world's economy through the proposed gold-backed Auric™ currency". Its main focus as co-associate Welty states being: "SWANsat could play a significant leadership role in connecting every person on the face of the planet.” and the what about the "African Union"? The mind boggles.

Other Christians have discerned the truth about Missler and go into even more detail as to the odd bedfellows at conferences and other worrisome teachings and connections. Please take heed and be careful of trusting in this teacher. I have thanked God for warning me.
Posted by Bible Believer at 10:45 AM

dys

[madfranks]

I appreciate the warning dys. One of the things I happen to really like about Chuck is that his signature verse is Acts 17:11 which says "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so". Whenever he starts going into a touchy subject like the nephilim or prophecy, he openly tells us not to take him for his word, but search the scriptures yourself whether those things are true or not. He knows his views aren't shared by many other pastors and Bible teachers, but he never denigrates them, rather he counts many of them as friends.

I've never read his wife's book, but that's a little strange.