A Lawyer Disbarred For Digging Too Deeply

[Glass]

How do we abate please palani?

[palani]

How do we abate please palani?

The topic is well covered here http://usa-the-republic.com/abatements/Abate_0.pdf

Another source is ticketslayer.com ... but they charge for their documents .. and no longer call it an abatement.

Another alternative is administrative procedure. Whatever agency you want to engage in a contract with you send them NOTICE (the initial phase of due process) and give them an opportunity to respond. After a period of time (a week, 10 days) if no response is received you send them a FAULT letter. Wait a bit more and if no response you send them a DEFAULT letter. Do these registered mail. Use the registered number in the body of the letter. At the end of this procedure you can claim they engaged you in a contract by their silence.

These sort of things must be performed timely within 72 hours of the event that caused the affair. So best have the procedure down pat rather than waiting to learn it when you need to.

[sirgonzo420]

The topic is well covered here http://usa-the-republic.com/abatements/Abate_0.pdf

Another source is ticketslayer.com ... but they charge for their documents .. and no longer call it an abatement.

Another alternative is administrative procedure. Whatever agency you want to engage in a contract with you send them NOTICE (the initial phase of due process) and give them an opportunity to respond. After a period of time (a week, 10 days) if no response is received you send them a FAULT letter. Wait a bit more and if no response you send them a DEFAULT letter. Do these registered mail. Use the registered number in the body of the letter. At the end of this procedure you can claim they engaged you in a contract by their silence.

These sort of things must be performed timely within 72 hours of the event that caused the affair. So best have the procedure down pat rather than waiting to learn it when you need to.

I believe that I have ticketslayer-type documents on one of my computers or drives somewhere. I'll search and post them. It's the "common law default" system.

[Rubberchicken]

Isn't it great to live in a society where the penalty for lying to a congressman can be up to 30 years in jail, but the penalty for a congressman lying to you is another two years in office

[JDRock]

Isn't it great to live in a society where the penalty for lying to a congressman can be up to 30 years in jail, but the penalty for a congressman lying to you is another two years in office

nicely done....

[Awoke]

I haven't really got caught up in forum politics. I prefer just to read and agree with people I agree with. I don't like to openly disagree with people. It creates controversy. It's best to go about your business and let others mind theirs IMO.

I am not a member and I don't post there, I only read, so I don't get caught up in the forum politics there either. Be seeing how the threads go, with quick bans being handed out on people who question certain members, definately makes me think I will never be an active poster there. Just a lurker.

I did have some disappointment that after 3 years a lot of people have made little progress there.

Under the "Help... I need help" subforum, there is a really interesting thread about Freeman Terry getting illegally arrested. He got a traffic infraction, pulled out is CoR, etc, and was drug through the court system. I was riveted to that thread, and read the progress/drama as he worked through the system, hoping to get some closure, but he just stopped posting in the thread, even after Menard said he had some help/direction for him.
So I don't know if there was victory or defeat, and to be honest, I was extremely disappointed that the author never went in with an update, to clarify that the courts recognized his freeman status or not. He is a Canadian as well, so it was of special interest to me.

There is good research there. I assume you have looked at the CoR stuff? Seen Menards CoR? Made one up yourself?

a CoR is simply the re-writing of your contract with the organisation calling itself the Govt.

Haven't had time to looking into it in detail, just reading the term in random threads. Can you link me to a concise summary?

[palani]

He is a Canadian as well

Canada is a federation of independent states, as is the U.S., Mexico, U.K., E.U. and the Swiss Federation.

Identifying oneself as a Canadian is analogous to id'ing onself as a U.S. citizen. It eliminates all these "freemen" concepts and puts one directly under the thumb of whatever "law" is thrown at you. He lost before he went in. All he had was argument and that puts one in dishonor (unless one has a BAR license to argue for pay).

[Awoke]

Canada is a federation of independent states, as is the U.S., Mexico, U.K., E.U. and the Swiss Federation.

Identifying oneself as a Canadian is analogous to id'ing onself as a U.S. citizen. It eliminates all these "freemen" concepts and puts one directly under the thumb of whatever "law" is thrown at you. He lost before he went in. All he had was argument and that puts one in dishonor (unless one has a BAR license to argue for pay).

He never idetified himself as a "Canadian", I did.

Now then, let's cut the shit and get right too it them. The concept of being a "free" man, a man created by the creator, in the image of God, is good.

My stumbling block is this: The Freeman movement and sovereign movement seem to be stuck on "Organic laws" and older documentation such as the Magna Carta, etc.

WHY?

If you are a "Free man", and recognise God as the absolute authority, what makes referenceing the Magna Carta any more legit than submitting to the Patriot act? As a free, flesh and blood man, what would ANY man-made, man-drafted document have to say that could make the law of God subordinate?

This movement is good, in the sense that people are asserting their right to live unencumbered, but so far I have not found one victory over teh corrupt system that is in place today.

I was reasearching Terry Nicholas Bouffard's name, trying to find out the final outcome, and ran into this WIki called "rationalwiki". Obviously written by a statist, and extremely sceptical of the movement, but the proof is in the pudding, and so far I haven't found any freedom pudding.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

Pay special attention to the statmen on Menard, which leads to footnote #15, 16 and 17, under the title "How it works (or not)".

[Awoke]

This was interesting too.

Freeman failures

Despite the numerous failed attempts to use freeman legal methods, freemen will always insist that they do work, even clinging to this delusion when arrested and thrown in the cells. Below are some examples.

• Judge challenged to produce oath by man disputing summons. Full panoply of Freeman delusion on display here, down to Black's Legal Dictionary being produced in court. End result: conviction, and when The FreeMan Bobby of the Family Sludds wanted to appeal—"I can’t accept a bail bond from someone whose signature can’t be verified," the Judge said, remanding Mr Sludds to Cloverhill prison.
• Two men are arrested and charged with growing cannabis. They claim to be "freemen on the land", but the courts state that they have "no personal circumstances applying to them which affords immunity to prosecution", that there was "no legal significance" to the term "freeman on the land" and that they would be tried anyway.
• Freeman Mark of the family Bond gets arrested (more) after refusing to recognise the court and giving police his notice of intent. He gets a suspended 3 month jail sentence anyway, on condition that he pays off his debt
• Freeman "Brian-arthur: alexander" tries to get out of speeding by telling a judge the law doesn't apply to him. The judge disagrees and the police suggest further charges of obstruction and mischief for his freeman shenanigans.
• Mika Rasila gets stopped by the police for not having a licence plate. He tells them that he doesn't consent to their laws and that he isn't an employee of the "corporation of Canada". It doesn't work and they arrest him and impound his van. A judge later gives him a fine of $1,250.
• Freeman Darren Pollard gets arrested despite telling the police officer he doesn't consent or contract. Not surprisingly it fails and they take him into custody anyway
• Darren Pollard gets arrested again after refusing to appear in court despite trying to claim that he was "Darren of the family Pollard" and not the legal fiction of Darren Pollard they were looking for.
• Freewoman Mary Gye recollects her account of being arrested for not having road tax or car insurance and having her "conveyance" impounded.img This in spite of all the freeman woo she tried. She was later sentenced to 14 days in HMP Styal women's prison for criminal contempt when she brought a tape recorder into a court hearing over nonpayment of council tax.[37]
• Freeman Ben Lowrey is arrested for driving a motorcycle without registration, insurance, MOT or a crash helmet. Subsequently fined £500.
• New Hampshire resident Ian Freeman (AKA Ian Bernard) arrested, tried and jailed for 93 days for dumping a couch. Within seconds of his trial commencing, he was rearrested and hand-cuffed for refusing to sit down when asked. He has since attempted using the freeman woo while defending a parking ticket.
• James-Michael: Tesi arrested. After refusing to pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt, he flooded the court with woo-woo documents basically refusing to pay. The court ignored this, and issued an arrest warrant. A police officer pulled him over, which resulted in gunfire and Tesi being wounded.
• A Freewoman attempts to use the entire panoply of freeman woo to deny a court's jurisdiction in child custody proceedings. She was sentenced to nine months for contempt.
• A person is a "person", a Canadian judge rules, after freeman[38] David Kevin Lindsay tries to get out of paying tax by asserting otherwise. Lindsay has also been designated a vexatious litigant.[39] (Whether entering into litigation counts as consent to said laws is not clarified.)
• Star: Hills' house is foreclosed upon when her attempts to just stop paying her mortgage fail, and even her fee schedulesimg don't work. Despite having bought the entire $250 package from Robert Menard.

[Awoke]

My stumbling block is this: The Freeman movement and sovereign movement seem to be stuck on "Organic laws" and older documentation such as the Magna Carta, etc.

WHY?

If you are a "Free man", and recognise God as the absolute authority, what makes referenceing the Magna Carta any more legit than submitting to the Patriot act? As a free, flesh and blood man, what would ANY man-made, man-drafted document have to say that could make the law of God subordinate?

No takers?