Quote Originally Posted by palani View Post
Canada is a federation of independent states, as is the U.S., Mexico, U.K., E.U. and the Swiss Federation.

Identifying oneself as a Canadian is analogous to id'ing onself as a U.S. citizen. It eliminates all these "freemen" concepts and puts one directly under the thumb of whatever "law" is thrown at you. He lost before he went in. All he had was argument and that puts one in dishonor (unless one has a BAR license to argue for pay).
He never idetified himself as a "Canadian", I did.

Now then, let's cut the shit and get right too it them. The concept of being a "free" man, a man created by the creator, in the image of God, is good.

My stumbling block is this: The Freeman movement and sovereign movement seem to be stuck on "Organic laws" and older documentation such as the Magna Carta, etc.

WHY?

If you are a "Free man", and recognise God as the absolute authority, what makes referenceing the Magna Carta any more legit than submitting to the Patriot act? As a free, flesh and blood man, what would ANY man-made, man-drafted document have to say that could make the law of God subordinate?

This movement is good, in the sense that people are asserting their right to live unencumbered, but so far I have not found one victory over teh corrupt system that is in place today.

I was reasearching Terry Nicholas Bouffard's name, trying to find out the final outcome, and ran into this WIki called "rationalwiki". Obviously written by a statist, and extremely sceptical of the movement, but the proof is in the pudding, and so far I haven't found any freedom pudding.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

Pay special attention to the statmen on Menard, which leads to footnote #15, 16 and 17, under the title "How it works (or not)".