Hand It Over, Now!

[palani]

The original Federal Reserve Act says nothing of Social Security.

That original act occurred in 1913. In law the only entity that lasts longer than 99 years is a charitable trust and the Federal Reserve is private and not trustworthy. The U.S. constitution is a charitable trust as is the Louisiana Purchase.

At any rate toward the end of 2012 we should see some signs of the Federal Reserve either dissolving entirely or undergoing a restructure that results in an entity with the same name (or similar) formed.

[Camp Bassfish]

At any rate toward the end of 2012 we should see

....... the end of the world?


~carry on~

[palani]

the end of the world?

Not mine. I don't believe in acting in the capacity of an unpaid agent. The Federal Reserve is a legal fiction. It does not exist. Things that do not exist have no credit to loan.

[7th trump]

Being called an "incompetent" by someone who he himself is incompetent is a badge of honor coming form you. So if I'm an incompetent so be it.

Resorting to name calling shows a lack of intelligence as well as a lack of an argument. But hey whatever floats your boat. I'm not going to lower myself to your level of incompetence. Income tax PREDATES social slavery by 22 years. Yet somehow the IRS didn't collect taxes until social slavery was legislated into existence? Give me a fucking break.

I'll say it again, Social slavery is not the crux of this argument. It's the endorsement of Private Credit. Congress AND the U.S. Supreme Court also say otherwise to your word play of social slavery. You want evidence, well here you go.

Meaning FRN's are NOT lawful money. It is Private Credit codified into PRIVATE LAW.



Gee I wonder what is used for duties on imports and interest on the public debt? Hmm I wonder if it's Federal Reserve Notes. The source of the public debt to begin with?? Maybe... just maybe



So why keep $300,000,000 in existence if there is no such thing as Lawful Money huh 7th Trump? 31 USC 5115 is still law, hasn't been amended or revoked. Notice that it is the TREASURY that issues said notes, not the Federal Reserve Bank.



Huh isn't that something? Even the courts say that FRN's are obligations and must be redeemed upon demand. Just more fantasy and quackery here.



Even written into the Federal Reserve charter. Yet somehow this is all fantasy and quackery to you?

When you redeem lawful money you are stating you do not want Federal Reserve notes. You are not bound by the taxes, duties, fee's associated with it's usage as long as you redeem it. Not even social slavery can be taken out as long as you redeem lawful money.

But again, that's just quackery coming from an "incompetent."

So you can redeem reserve note into lawful money.....big deal. It has nothing at all to do with Social Security and its reporting structure.
Heres the "excise" behind the income tax.

"a) Old-age, survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on every employer an excise tax, with respect to having individuals in his employ, equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)) paid by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121 (b))—"

I doubt you understand what the excise is Ares.
A clue for you Ares.
The excise is "employment" as even the employer is taxed for the employee's voluntary participation of Social Security.
Since when is working a privilege Ares?
I'll tell when......since 1935 when the Act introduced "employment" to the private sector....but what do you know anyway.....you've been following a legally "incompetent".
Before the 1939 code the wroking class common Joe was never taxed before.

[Serpo]

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

[Ares]

So you can redeem reserve note into lawful money.....big deal. It has nothing at all to do with Social Security and its reporting structure.
Heres the "excise" behind the income tax.

WRONG!!!! It has everything to do with the reporting structure. You withdraw consent to The District by redeeming lawful money. You are saying I want no part of the "benefit" or the fee's attached to it.

"a) Old-age, survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on every employer an excise tax, with respect to having individuals in his employ, equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)) paid by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121 (b))—"

I doubt you understand what the excise is Ares.
A clue for you Ares.
The excise is "employment" as even the employer is taxed for the employee's voluntary participation of Social Security.
Since when is working a privilege Ares?
I'll tell when......since 1935 when the Act introduced "employment" to the private sector....but what do you know anyway.....you've been following a legally "incompetent".
Before the 1939 code the wroking class common Joe was never taxed before

*sigh* so you admit that redeeming lawful money is in fact written into law and upheld by courts throughout the land. Yet for some reason can't wrap your head around the fact that they can only tax Federal Reserve Notes. Under Lawful Money Social Slavery is illegal, you cannot steal from one and have it given to another. That's the cost of the "benefit" of accepting Private Credit.

Working class common Joe wasn't taxed because he didn't make enough to be taxed under the IRS own taxation code for that time period. The communist FDR touted that Social Slavery was voluntary, also SSA (FICA) wasn't covered for all employers. That didn't happen until much later.

We can agree to disagree, that's fine. But get off your high and mighty horse as you haven't impressed anyone with your banter about social slavery. It may compel the employers to take part to get their tax breaks, but I feel no need to contribute "my fair share" considering I won't be getting a dime of it in return after it implodes. So I'll keep redeeming lawful money withdrawing my consent.

[7th trump]

WRONG!!!! It has everything to do with the reporting structure. You withdraw consent to The District by redeeming lawful money. You are saying I want no part of the "benefit" or the fee's attached to it.



*sigh* so you admit that redeeming lawful money is in fact written into law and upheld by courts throughout the land. Yet for some reason can't wrap your head around the fact that they can only tax Federal Reserve Notes. Under Lawful Money Social Slavery is illegal, you cannot steal from one and have it given to another. That's the cost of the "benefit" of accepting Private Credit.

Working class common Joe wasn't taxed because he didn't make enough to be taxed under the IRS own taxation code for that time period. The communist FDR touted that Social Slavery was voluntary, also SSA (FICA) wasn't covered for all employers. That didn't happen until much later.

We can agree to disagree, that's fine. But get off your high and mighty horse as you haven't impressed anyone with your banter about social slavery. It may compel the employers to take part to get their tax breaks, but I feel no need to contribute "my fair share" considering I won't be getting a dime of it in return after it implodes. So I'll keep redeeming lawful money withdrawing my consent.

Get off your high horse Ares....you havent a clue!
Redeeming lawful money has a purpose otherwise it wouldnt be written and codified. However, it has no relation to what causes the imposition of the federal income tax or the reporting mechanism of income.
Social Security's 3121(b) "employment" is tied to both having overwhelming evidence....and yet nothing has ever been found regulatory or statutorily linking fiat reserve notes to the income tax.
Theres no mention of reserve notes in Title 26 period!
Show me one piece of evidence in title 26 linking fiat reserve notes to any, and I mean any, imposition found in Title 26.
Just one Ares....just one!

I gues you cant say a damn thing about this can you Ares?

RM 00206.065 SSN Applications for Federal Income Tax Returns (IRS Requests)
A. Introduction
IRS generally uses the SSN as the taxpayer identification number (TIN). Each taxpayer and spouse is required to enter his/her own SSN on the return. SSNs are also required for dependents being claimed on the tax returns. However, for people who are not otherwise eligible for an SSN, IRS will assign an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).
When processing tax returns, IRS matches the name shown on the tax return with the name shown on the IRS database for that particular SSN. SSA Numident data is sent to IRS each week in the format IRS requested. This information is then used to update the IRS database. When IRS finds a return on which an SSN has been omitted or cannot be verified, they notify the taxpayer to contact SSA to determine the correct number or to obtain an SSN.
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100206065

"SSA Numident data is sent to IRS each week in the format IRS requested. This information is then used to update the IRS database"

Dont want to comment huh?

[Ares]

RM 00206.065 SSN Applications for Federal Income Tax Returns (IRS Requests)
A. Introduction
IRS generally uses the SSN as the taxpayer identification number (TIN). Each taxpayer and spouse is required to enter his/her own SSN on the return. SSNs are also required for dependents being claimed on the tax returns. However, for people who are not otherwise eligible for an SSN, IRS will assign an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).
When processing tax returns, IRS matches the name shown on the tax return with the name shown on the IRS database for that particular SSN. SSA Numident data is sent to IRS each week in the format IRS requested. This information is then used to update the IRS database. When IRS finds a return on which an SSN has been omitted or cannot be verified, they notify the taxpayer to contact SSA to determine the correct number or to obtain an SSN.

Sure I'll bite, but you're just going to say I don't have a clue anyway.

When you redeem lawful money THERE IS NO REPORTING. So that entire section means nothing to people like me who redeem. I do not contribute so there is nothing to report or to request for a return.

Your social slave number is used for reporting / accounting purposes for the endorsement of Private Credit. It's also used to track what you contribute and what they owe you in "benefits." Stop endorsing private credit, you owe them nothing, and they owe you nothing.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I just would like to know how our 'income tax' is any different from feudal serfdom? Or 'sharecropping'? Peasants had to hand over a portion of their product--whatever it was--grain, cattle, wine, whatever, to the landlord. That's how it worked at a time when money was not widely used among the producers of goods. Today it's much easier. Because all value is measured in money. The best way to avoid taxation is to avoid using money. Bartering is the IRS's worst nightmare.


Hatha

[palani]

The best way to avoid taxation is to avoid using money. Bartering is the IRS's worst nightmare.
Hatha

Money was used to balance out unequal trades.