Hand It Over, Now!

[7th trump]

When I click on your links, I get

"Error 404
HTTP Web Server: Lotus Notes Exception - Entry not found in index"

Apparently you have special access I don't have.

My question is just who are you and who is your employer?

Theres no special access. The website has been changed and url is not correct from it.

I'm from Iowa and an electrician whos been studying the tax code since 1995.
Palani doesnt live far from me.....45 minutes to an hour apart.
I agree with palani on just about everything he says except I dont give any credence to David Merrill and this lawful money theory. I say theory because theres absolutely no evidence in support. Nothing in Title 26 even remotely related to fiat.
All the evidence points to Social Security....all reporting requirements are found within the statutes and regulations of Social Security......not to mention the imposition of the income tax requires 3121(a) "wages" to be earned.
26usc 3401(a) "wages" is what the government requires to be earned in order for deductions and tax to be subtracted from your paycheck.
The only way for the private sector to earn 3401(a) "wages" is when they earn 26usc 3121(a) "wages" which the result of being a participant of Social Security's 3121(b) "employment".

Anyway Merrill doesnt like it when shown how the law works and bans the person for bringing it to his forum.
Same way with Pete Hendrickson......he'll ban you in a second.

Merrill wants to be the first guru who's beaten the system and Hendrickson is no different.
They are both egotistical.

[Ares]

Theres no special access. The website has been changed and url is not correct from it.

I'm from Iowa and an electrician whos been studying the tax code since 1995.
Palani doesnt live far from me.....45 minutes to an hour apart.
I agree with palani on just about everything he says except I dont give any credence to David Merrill and this lawful money theory. I say theory because theres absolutely no evidence in support. Nothing in Title 26 even remotely related to fiat.
All the evidence points to Social Security....all reporting requirements are found within the statutes and regulations of Social Security......not to mention the imposition of the income tax requires 3121(a) "wages" to be earned.
26usc 3401(a) "wages" is what the government requires to be earned in order for deductions and tax to be subtracted from your paycheck.
The only way for the private sector to earn 3401(a) "wages" is when they earn 26usc 3121(a) "wages" which the result of being a participant of Social Security's 3121(b) "employment".

Anyway Merrill doesnt like it when shown how the law works and bans the person for bringing it to his forum.
Same way with Pete Hendrickson......he'll ban you in a second.

Merrill wants to be the first guru who's beaten the system and Hendrickson is no different.
They are both egotistical.

There is no reference to Lawful Money in Title 26 because they have no jurisdiction over it. To them, lawful money DOES NOT EXIST. But the Courts, as well as American law says that it does. The lawful money theory didn't originate with David Merrill, but he has "revived" it I guess you could say. There are individuals long before David Merrill came along redeeming lawful money. Like I've mentioned earlier I've had correspondence with individuals who have been redeeming since the mid to late 90's. They blamed Ruby Ridge for their withdrawal from the system. They too do not fund social slavery, or pay an income tax. Yet they are still out of jail and not being harassed by the IRS.

Like you, I thought David was full of shit and figured he'd wind up where Pete Hinderickson is now. Behind bars doing 10-20 for tax fraud in a federal prison. Unlike Pete, David doesn't endorse the use of Private Credit.

7th Trump I think there is more than one way to slay this beast. You and David could both be correct but have different methods for achieving the same goal. There's no reason to not learn other methods to slay a beast that seeks to enslave and rob you.

I'll keep redeeming lawful money and I'll let everyone including you know what my results are next year when I amend my tax status. So far I haven't had any issues with my banking institution or my employer.

[7th trump]

Well Ares if fiat was the cause for the federal income tax they'd have the imposing statutes in title 26 where the tax laws are all combined....but you know what the only tax laws i can find all relate to a W4. The W4 is directly associated with "employment" and not the associated with fiat currency.
"Employment" is restrictively confined to the participation of Social Security. It cannot be enforced outside of participation in Social Security. And I've supplied the administrative regulation stating an individual doesnt have to participate in SS. So that means a W4 isnt required to work in America and therefore the W3 transmittal is stopped dead in its tracks. The government has no financial information about you in its database which is what you want to accomplish. Merrill cannot accomplish this through redeeming process.
You have to stop all reporting to the government period and that only done when you do not participate in Social Security.
Like I said to a few of merrills followers..........."if the income tax was a result of fiat currency then banks would require a W4 upon opening an account, but you know what W4 are issued by employers and not banks.

[palani]

Banks have your signature on their signature card stating that you agree to abide by all the regulations of the Federal Reserve system. As no one ever asks to see a complete set of these regulations they have enough to hold you accountable (your signature takes the matter out of the Statute of Fraud).

I have the 1866 Iowa code that instructs each county treasurer to keep track of specie separate from paper money (aka two sets of books). There are actually not two books for the same entity but rather one set of books for EACH entity. The constitutional state vs the federal fiat overlay.

The federal fiat overlay state is the one that has it's tit in a wringer now. The constitutional state is looking pretty solvent.

[7th trump]

Banks have your signature on their signature card stating that you agree to abide by all the regulations of the Federal Reserve system. As no one ever asks to see a complete set of these regulations they have enough to hold you accountable (your signature takes the matter out of the Statute of Fraud).

I have the 1866 Iowa code that instructs each county treasurer to keep track of specie separate from paper money (aka two sets of books). There are actually not two books for the same entity but rather one set of books for EACH entity. The constitutional state vs the federal fiat overlay.

The federal fiat overlay state is the one that has it's tit in a wringer now. The constitutional state is looking pretty solvent.

Ok, big ass deal palani...... so the signiture card says you'll abide to the rules of the federal reserve system..............what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

The statutory and regulatory requirement to "withhold", "deduct" and "report" for the imposition of the federal income tax has nothing at all to do with the federal resever system......NONE, NADDA...ZILCH!
It has everything to do with participating in Social Security.

Show me one Title 26 statute where the federal reserve system is imposing the income tax?
Heck for the matter Palani show me the law where everyone is "deducted and withheld" for having a banks signiture card!

[palani]

Heck for the matter Palani show me the law where everyone is "deducted and withheld" for having a banks signiture card!

Have you checked with your bank's attorney to see what laws and policies you have agreed to by providing a signature card?

The problem with people with theories is they fail to anticipate all the possible ways the system can extract its "due". While there could be some truth in every method used an absolute truth is that the slightest defect will be used by the system to "discourage" that method.

My own method is to establish a policy that I will only use specie in my business dealings. Specie has been defined by the courts as being of either gold or silver. I adhere to that policy strictly. Corporations use fiat money. Corporations have no social security numbers. Do corporations file tax under Title 26?

[iOWNme]

It would be interesting to see if anyone who has ever been convicted of 'willful failure to file' also had a SS number. Do you think you can find one person in prison who does not have a SS number, but still was convicted? Do you think a jury understands this? Do you think a judge would even allow it to be discussed?

Its not like the Judge says "This man volunteered for SS, which means he must pay income tax, everything else is a moot point. You will convict".

Which makes me consider this: Lets say you do 'voluntarily' leave SS, could you still 'consent' to paying income tax through various other forms of 'consent'? Like US citizenship?

[palani]

could you still 'consent' to paying income tax through various other forms of 'consent'? Like US citizenship?

Once you appear in the body politic the rules of the body politic apply to you. Voter registration. Drivers license. Home delivery of mail. Use of a zip code. Evidence of commercial presence (paying bills). Having a single FRN note in your pocket.

You might present evidence of in itinere status ... you are moving through the jurisdiction as a transient. Apologize for your ignorance in not knowing the local rules.

[7th trump]

Have you checked with your bank's attorney to see what laws and policies you have agreed to by providing a signature card?

The problem with people with theories is they fail to anticipate all the possible ways the system can extract its "due". While there could be some truth in every method used an absolute truth is that the slightest defect will be used by the system to "discourage" that method.

My own method is to establish a policy that I will only use specie in my business dealings. Specie has been defined by the courts as being of either gold or silver. I adhere to that policy strictly. Corporations use fiat money. Corporations have no social security numbers. Do corporations file tax under Title 26?

Palani, with all respect here.......but what does a banks signiture card have to do with the price of tea in China?
(If I remember correctly the signiture card says something along the lines of obeying Treasury rules and regulations....not the federal reserve system.)
The requirment of a W4 falls along the lines of Treasury rules and regs (chapter 24 of Title 26).

Income reporting requirements are traced back to the Social Security Act not any banking institute.
A W4 is only required upon commencment of "employment" (see 26usc 3402(f)(1)(2)(a)).........nothing more and nothing else!
"Employment" (26usc 3121(b)) is restrictively confined to the Social Security Act. It does not have any legal effect or enforcement outside the purpose of participating in Social Security for obtaining government benefits.

Social Security is voluntary (see regulation 301.6109-1(d)), which by the way, is a treasury regulation.

As far as citizenship (body politic) goes SUI JURIS the courts rule the income tax is an excise tax. (You're probably wondering why I bring up "excise" when talking about citizenship.)
Well.....on line 5 of the SS5 form you check "US citizen" which you then sign under penalty of perjury as belonging to that political association.
We have two political citizenships in America (See www.1215.org or www.state-citizen.org) to get a better handle of how the courts view each citizenship.
So in order to participate in Social Security you have to announce to the government you are accepting their second class citiznship over being the People of the United States of America (the political kings of the country) for their welfare benefits via the form SS-5.
It wasnt until after the Social Security Act did working for a living become an "excise" activity.
Heres what I mean (again the answer to the income tax being an "excise" is located in the Social Security statutes)-

26usc 3111
(a) Old-age, survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on every employer an excise tax, with respect to having individuals in his employ, equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)) paid by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121 (b))—

Here we have the law specifically stating the employer is imposed an "excise" tax for having individuals working under him specifically earning 3121(a) "wages" in respect to 3121(b) "employment".
Up until 1935 employers werent taxed an excise imposition as 3121(b) "employment" didnt exist until 1935.
The "excise" is in respect to 3121(b) "employment" (Social Security).
An employer today can have employees who are not participating in Social Security (3121(b) "employment") because ADMINISTRATIVE regulation 301.6109-1(d) stipulates so.
In conclusion here if the employer is taxed an excise from 3121(b) "employment" then the "excise activity" is "employment" itself which is to say Social Security is an "excise".

[7th trump]

Once you appear in the body politic the rules of the body politic apply to you. Voter registration. Drivers license. Home delivery of mail. Use of a zip code. Evidence of commercial presence (paying bills). Having a single FRN note in your pocket.

You might present evidence of in itinere status ... you are moving through the jurisdiction as a transient. Apologize for your ignorance in not knowing the local rules.

Absolutley correct Palani!