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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypertiger View Post
    People have no power to make or break LAW,

    All that people can do is make and break rules and call rules LAW.

    But if a rule attempts to break LAW...LAW will break the rule.

    The so called Lawmakers have zero ability to do such.

    They just fool the ignorant masses into thinking they do.
    I totally agree.

    The premise of my video was not to be a literal explanation, but more of a philosophical one. (I cant believe i have had to explain that) And yet if these 'Rules' were always connected to representing an injured human being, the State would be restricted in its ability to over expand these 'Rules'. Thus forcing the State to be chained down by Law.
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    I revised the quote in the original post because its author cannot capitalise nor correctly place his apostrophes, and I will not denigrate my posts with such things.
    I'd venture to say your the olny one hear that gives a shit...

    I'm surprised (or maybe not) that there are actually people on this board that claim to respect you with a pompous BS attitude like that.
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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    Quote Originally Posted by Sui Juris View Post
    Thus forcing the State to be chained down by Law.
    I suppose you mean the government being chained by Law rather than the State. After all, if you are not the State then who else?

    As to the premise, money represents lawform. If you intend to go through life relying upon government to establish credit for you then you had best rely upon them to establish your lawform as well. The two are intimately connected. Slaves use credit, gentlemen use silver whilst the State must rely upon gold (with a little silver mixed in).
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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    Personally I think the correlation is valid and I'd even go so far as to characterize the relationship as symbiotic. The qualities that contribute to this are the parasitic nature of the fractional reserve system, and the inevitable quest for yield by the players involved. At some point the law of diminishing returns takes over. As HT would say: "the top sucks from the bottom."

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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    Quote Originally Posted by Sui Juris View Post
    Maybe it was all of my custom artwork that distracted you from the main theme of my video? I can understand......
    Since you're taking complaints,

    I would like to give the pasteboy judge character a D- for proportion & detail.

    At the very least he should be twice as wide...

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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    "It is a fault to meddle with what does not belong to or does not concern you."

    While law does concern us, the meddling [ rule-making ] is just that.

    Nietzsche put in words the delusion of mortem divinium, insisting on consideration of the consequences { as few others subsequently would }, warning that we would need to be lighting a lamp in the morning, wondering how to we were to find the horizon without the concepts of up and down, the growth of philosophy disguised as science, the unmitigated acceptance and foolish desire for the unknown. Self-automatons leaping off the edge without knowing the depth of the pool, or even if it contained liquid.

    Exceptionalism for the brilliant, beautiful or wealthy {arrogant?} who were encouraged to follow their own "inner law" was a terrible exemption unleashed on all; since the poor, ordinary and destitute would consequently suffer oppression at their hand.

    As Heidegger put the problem, "If God as the suprasensory ground and goal of all reality is dead, if the suprasensory world of the ideas has suffered the loss of its obligatory and above it its vitalizing and upbuilding power, then nothing more remains to which man can cling and by which he can orient himself."

    We live with his failure to bring about a naturalistic source of value in the vital impulses of life, simply because of not having the capacity to see both the beginning and the end, even when cautioned to look for it.

    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength!"

    And where cometh strength? Not in politics or economics, I can assure you.

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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    Quote Originally Posted by Sui Juris View Post
    I hope your kidding. One of the hardest things to do is record your own voice. LOL Its is very hard not to sound to happy, to sad, to angry, to crazy, etc. Not to mention nobody likes the sound of their own voice. I did tweak it a bit, to throw the NSA off.

    I wasn't sure the narrator was you, Sui. Really good job. Solid vocal inflection. Clean and clear pronunciation. The graphics are excellent.
    The lack of music actually increases it's message. Good choice. There's something about silence between words that can make them more potent. From an artistic standpoint it's simply excellent. I'm impressed.

    when we left Common Law and the Gold standard, we literally left reality.
    Philosophically, this is an interesting comment that I happen to agree with, at least in the sense that "reality" is a point or position within existence, and this position we think of as reality can be shifted. Or, as you suggest, we have literally left reality.

    But to assume that by leaving reality, we then exist in UN-reality strikes me as somehow incorrect.

    If reality is merely a position within existence, then what's happening is our position of cognitive understanding within existence
    is shifting. A fundamental paradigm shift is occurring, because what we collectively think of as reality is our paradigm.

    Can the State freely create gold or humans as much as they want?
    This is another interesting point.
    Assuming we're collectively in another position of reality within existence, I postulate that "yes indeed," the state, GOVCORP. can, or at least will soon be able to create, or at least make tangible more than enough gold to make it essentially as worthless as paper.

    There's already technology available to extract vast quantities of the element from seawater and deep seabeds.
    Considering the exponential rate of information and knowledge we're just beginning to feel, I give it no more than a few years.

    I'd even postulate that GOVCORP may soon be able to manufacture humans. Or at least a facsimile thereof. They may already exist.

    Minus the human soul, that is.... Pseudo humans, or post humans.

    We're so fucked!
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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    Quote Originally Posted by palani View Post
    I suppose you mean the government being chained by Law rather than the State. After all, if you are not the State then who else?

    As to the premise, money represents lawform. If you intend to go through life relying upon government to establish credit for you then you had best rely upon them to establish your lawform as well. The two are intimately connected. Slaves use credit, gentlemen use silver whilst the State must rely upon gold (with a little silver mixed in).

    Yes, i used the term 'State' to encompass all forms of 'Government'.

    I do find your next statement quite intriguing. Gold/Silver were 'established' by Government as lawful money, and I see how that worked out. Although i do agree with your premise, it just seems there is always another side. But the Constitution does say Congress can emit 'credit', again another interesting anomaly.

    I find the connection between how the way the Fractional Reserve Banking system works, and how the Law making system works to be almost identical in theory. They both function in a completely different form than they were intended to. Both were engineered to be chained down to reality. Both were made to have permanent restrictions built into them. Both were created to help man, NOT enslave him.

    And when they both run into trouble, they either just print more money or make more Laws and POOF! They magically change reality and fix the real world problem with fiat solutions.
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    Re: Fractional Law Making and Moral Debt

    Quote Originally Posted by Sui Juris View Post
    Yes, i used the term 'State' to encompass all forms of 'Government'.
    Best view the state as a separate entity than the government. Government can manifest itself in any of a number of different forms yet the entity it serves remains the same. The state (that would be YOU) might decide to be self-governing if capable of such a feat or it might consent to participate in a lottery called an election to agree to go along with the will of the majority.

    Your connection to the government presently manifesting control is through the Department of Secretary of State. This is YOUR guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sui Juris View Post
    I do find your next statement quite intriguing. Gold/Silver were 'established' by Government as lawful money, and I see how that worked out. Although i do agree with your premise, it just seems there is always another side. But the Constitution does say Congress can emit 'credit', again another interesting anomaly.
    Gold and silver were established by the People who set limits upon government through the Articles of Confederation and the U.S. constitution. This particular limit was upon the several States only and not upon the federal government. As long as the feds have credit (people accept their paper) the system will work. But under common law the maxim is:

    If anything is due to a corporation, it is not due to the individual members of it, nor do the members individually owe what the corporation owes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sui Juris View Post
    I find the connection between how the way the Fractional Reserve Banking system works, and how the Law making system works to be almost identical in theory. They both function in a completely different form than they were intended to. Both were engineered to be chained down to reality. Both were made to have permanent restrictions built into them. Both were created to help man, NOT enslave him.
    Contract is the source of law. Reason is the source of any action.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sui Juris View Post
    And when they both run into trouble, they either just print more money or make more Laws and POOF! They magically change reality and fix the real world problem with fiat solutions.
    Another common law maxim:
    Qui vult decipi, decipiatur. Let him who wishes to be deceived, be deceived.
    Sometimes a little deceit is necessary because when commerce stops bullets start. As long as I can figure out how to let someone else deal with the deceit and I avoid the necessity of defending myself I would rather not gamble that which I cannot afford to lose.
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