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    Re: Incongruent aspects of the movie massacre

    Something else which has bothered me - at least one wounded party exited the exit door and left bloody footprints from only one leg - for them to have proceeded the distance they did along the sidewalk in front of Holmes' car the scene would have had to have been secured at the point in which the wounded party ambled along the sidewalk...if the wounded party had spotted Holmes' outside prior to the cops grabbing him I seriously doubt the wounded party would have proceeded to walk down the sidewalk...this indicates to me that the cops had already apprehended Holmes prior to the wounded party making his/her way down the sidewalk in front of Holmes' car, which leads to the conclusion that Holmes was arrested directly after the shooting ended, like within 3-5 minutes...
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    Re: Incongruent aspects of the movie massacre

    Same with Utøya. Before the press got syncronized there were several dozen articles about a second shooter. It's more beneficial for the conspirators to have this seem like a lone psycho in order to restrict individual rights.

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    Re: Incongruent aspects of the movie massacre

    Note that exit door has no door pull of any kind on exterior, so there's no *positive* way to open from the outside UNLESS it's fully ajar so that one can get one's fingers to the interior side OR some device was placed on it as some sort of handle...simply blocking the latching mechanism would not work if the door is not fully ajar anyway.
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    Re: Incongruent aspects of the movie massacre

    more witnesses step up "Shooter had help"

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K47DpqTZoBw



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    Re: Incongruent aspects of the movie massacre

    A psychological perspective:



    Dave Hodges
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    I went to high school in Aurora, Colorado, about two miles from the scene of the Dark Night movie massacre. My late parents’ home was a mile away from the scene of the crime. My immediate family and I have attended several movies at the now infamous Aurora Mall theaters. Therefore, this recent tragedy is somewhat personal for me.

    A part of me wants to ignore this tragedy and go on with my life because this is so very painful to look at this event. Several families and untold numbers of friends have lost a loved one in a seemingly senseless tragedy. Someone’s husband and father is not coming home tonight and someone’s child won’t be there to open presents next Christmas. It’s extremely hard for me to write these words without being overcome by emotion.

    I have struggled on whether or not I should share my personal and professional observations about the facts related to this tragedy in the media because I strongly believe that the grieving loved ones, should be prayed for, comforted and then left in peace. The last thing I want to do, or to be accused of doing, is to engage in idle speculation at the expense of the victims, their families and their friends. However, based upon my experience and training as a mental health counselor, I also know that the mental health scenario being universally painted by the mainstream media is implausible from a psychopathological frame of reference. Further, the described background of the perpetrator, James Holmes, and his insanely violent act were grossly inconsistent with regard to means, motive, personal background, professional experience and current lifestyle and living conditions necessary to have carried out this heinous act to the demonstrable degree of skill witnessed in this event.

    Conspiracy theories are often the default position for people in mourning who are seeking meaningful answers on why a particular tragedy took place. It is very important not to confuse emotionality with logic and facts in cases such as the recent movie massacre tragedy. However, when the released facts related to the crime and the perpetrator don’t add up, serious questions must be asked and truthful answers must be demanded!

    As I weighed my options on whether or not to write this piece, I’m all too aware that when the profound sense of loss and grieving begins to dissipate, the victims’ loved ones will want truthful answers on why this tragedy took place. The lens of history clearly points to this fact as the Pat Tillman family still wants answers, thousands of 9/11 victims loved ones still want answers, and families and friends of the Oklahoma City Bombing victims still want answers and people profoundly impacted by the Columbine High School tragedy are still asking questions about why their loved ones had to die. Families and friends of the Dark Knight movie massacre victims deserve the truth and I do not believe, from the early media returns, that the real truth is going to be forthcoming. In that spirit, I add my voice to the chorus of voices in saying that the public explanations, related to this unspeakable tragedy, do not add up.

    The Background

    PhD candidate, James Holmes, 24, residing in Aurora, Colorado, acting with the precision and sophistication of a well-trained, killing-machine commando killed 12 people and wounded 59 as he opened fire at a Batman movie premiere The Dark Night Rising. Yet, as many mainstream media outlets, including the BBC, are reporting that James Holmes had no criminal arrest record and had absolutely no military training in his known background, yet, Holmes had every detail of “what the police call tactical equipment. He wore a ballistic helmet, a flak jacket and gas mask, but also the gloves and breeches you would expect from a Swat team.”

    Many More Questions Than Believable Answers

    Where would an incredibly busy PhD student find the time to learn how to booby trap his apartment?

    Why would a mass murderer randomly shoot dozens of innocent people and then mysteriously warn authorities that he had meticulously booby trapped his apartment if his intention was to commit mass murder?

    Where did a 24 year-old, PhD student who has spent his entire young adulthood in academia, with absolutely no military training, develop sophisticated commando tactics and applicable skills with very elaborate and very expensive military grade equipment?

    Why was the mainstream media so quick to learn and subsequently tell the viewing public the name of the perpetrator and then subsequently blame the Second Amendment for the event before any of the facts could possibly have been known? How was it that the swarms of FBI agents appeared almost immediately at the scene of the crime as well as the mass murder’s apartment?

    What do you think any knowledgeable construction worker would say about how those theatre grade, fire-rated security doors, equipped with fire inspected alarms, which would have sounded if the door was opened in the rear of the theatre?

    Why is the media so intent on painting Holmes as a mentally ill mass murder when a professional psychological examination has not even been performed and the results released to the media and the public?

    The most common second-hand diagnosis being offered for Holmes mental health condition is paranoid schizophrenia in which the afflicted person can potentially hear voices, or act on delusional beliefs devoid of logical connection with reality which commands or compels the sufferer to commit random acts of violence. On the night of the mass murder, was Holmes behavior consistent with classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia?

    What Is Known

    One of the most unbelievable explanations that I heard regarding this crime is the fact that this college student with no military training was able to booby trap his apartment, to such a degree of sophistication, that the ATF and FBI took several hours to gain entrance to his apartment. It has been suggested that this bright graduate student learned how to construct booby traps from the Internet. As implausible as it seems to me, I have to wonder if the Internet also taught this young terrorist how to shoot straight and master a multitude of weapons as well as the learning and the execution of advanced commando skills? Where did Holmes practice to learn the skills and more importantly, how did this PhD student find the time to train to such a level of sophistication that the Israeli commandos at the raid on Entebbe would be envious at the skill and precision displayed by Holmes in this gruesome attack? How did Holmes gain entrance into the highly secured rear doors of the movie theater, armed with alarms, without inside help? The short answer to all of these questions is that he couldn’t and he didn’t.

    I find it interesting that a starving graduate student, living in a modest apartment, could afford very expensive weaponry, a bulletproof vest, a modern gas mask, groin and neck protectors, complicated bombs and tear gas. This was a well-funded operation and there doesn’t seem to be any plausible explanation as to how this very expensive operation was funded and the goods ended up in the hands of such a person of meager means.

    The media has hung its hat on two analyses and subsequent explanations for Holmes’ actions: (1) Holmes is a mentally ill mass murder who was suffering from paranoid schizophrenic delusions; and, (2) this horrible tragedy could have been averted if only effective gun control measures were in place. First of all, there doesn’t seem to be any history of serious mental illness with regard to what the media is stating that Holmes most likely suffers from. Secondly, the paranoid schizophrenic argument loses steam because the killer abruptly stopped killing when he got outside the theatre where the perpetrator calmly sat down and peacefully surrendered to authorities as if to say “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!” Are these actions consistent with a crazed mass murderer? I do not believe so. If the murderer’s intent was to kill as many innocent people as possible, then it appears likely that this rage would have continued outside the movie theater. Adrenaline alone would’ve accounted for several more minutes added on to the killing rampage unless, of course, someone literally or metaphorically flipped a switch, MK Ultra style, which caused Holmes to shut down and passively surrender. Thirdly, the delusional beliefs and subsequent behavior of paranoid schizophrenics does not follow a calm, rational, predictable and methodical pattern of behavior which is exactly what we see in Holmes’ homicidal actions on that fateful night. The manifested behaviors of paranoid schizophrenics is normally preceded by disorganized and delusional thinking which causes the person to appear and act in an illogical and irrational manner. This is the opposite behavioral pattern of what we saw from James Holmes who carried out his act with the precision of a well-trained professional killer.

    Amazingly, the FBI was warned two months ago about terrorism coming to American movie theaters. Yet, they seem to have mysteriously ignored these warnings. I suggest visiting the preceding URL as soon as possible as this link most assuredly will disappear from the net courtesy of the police state surveillance grid. Why wasn’t this warning acted upon? And why do several URL’s keep disappearing from the net, related to this FBI warning, causing truth-seekers to continually repost this information? Many people have been puzzled by the rapidity of the FBI’s presence on the crime scene which even preceded many of the Aurora police officers arriving on the scene, despite the fact that the Aurora police maintain a substation in the mall less than 100 yards away from the crime scene. A reasonable person might be inclined to ask, what did the FBI know that the Aurora police did not?

    If this was a plot, why would anyone do such a thing? Ironically, on July 27, 2012, President Obama and Hillary Clinton are going to sign the UN gun control treaty. Obama only needs a few more senators to sign the treaty to make it the law of the land. Of course, the public is supposed to believe that this tragedy and the immediate media calls for more stringent gun control, and the coincidence with the UN gun control treaty signing date, following this tragedy, is merely one big coincidence!

    Gun control and undermining the Second Amendment was what FAST and FURIOUS was all about as Obama and Holder shipped guns into Mexico resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of Mexicans and over 200 Americans including Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. The covert FAST and FURIOUS program blew up in the administration’s face as Holder is facing potential criminal prosecution for his related actions. Therefore, it seems logical that the Obama administration would invoke Plan B. If these globalist minions would stage FAST and FURIOUS, then why should it be hard to believe that the same thugs would stage the Aurora, Colorado movie massacre at the showing of theDark Knight Rising? It’s interesting to note that Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, myself as well as many other awake Americans have been predicting a major false flag attack which would lead to the justification for Obama to enact draconian, UN-sponsored gun control legislation.

    JFK, RFK, 9/11, Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge, Waco; We won’t get fooled again!

    Investigating the Administration Which Seeks to Fundamentally Transform America

    It is also both interesting and highly disturbing that members of the Obama administration are on record of having said that the only way that the Obama presidency survives into a second term is if the country will unite behind an Obama candidacy following a series of terrorist events which will culminate in a second term. Part two of this series will explore the possible motives of the Obama administration, including his handlers (e.g. Bill Ayers and Valerie Jarrett), related to the possible carrying out of this event as well as a series of possible false flag events coming in the future (e.g. in Chicago and at the London Olympics). Part two of this series will also explore what an ill-gotten Obama second term will mean for millions of future victims in this country.

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    Re: Incongruent aspects of the movie massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by BabushkaLady View Post
    Where would an incredibly busy PhD student find the time to learn how to booby trap his apartment?

    Where did a 24 year-old, PhD student who has spent his entire young adulthood in academia, with absolutely no military training, develop sophisticated commando tactics and applicable skills with very elaborate and very expensive military grade equipment?
    These are two very good questions.

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    Re: Incongruent aspects of the movie massacre

    things we KNOW;
    1.IMMEDIATLY after his arrest, and without so much as a moments investigation the police were "certain" it was 1 lone man acting ALONE.
    2. witnesses SAW a man answer a cell phone and open the locked door by the front.
    3. of course he has ties to jews via being a counsellor at one of their camps...(yeah riiight they ley goyim counsel their kids)
    4. he had access to tear gas!
    5. the abnormally long response time for the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDRock View Post
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    3. of course he has ties to jews via being a counsellor at one of their camps...(yeah riiight they ley goyim counsel their kids)
    The camp is for anyone, but sponsored by a jewish group.

    Quote Originally Posted by JDRock View Post
    5. the abnormally long response time for the police.
    90 seconds?

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