More Evidence Moon Landing was Faked

[Agrippa]

The great challenge is to get your loved one, neighbor, friend or colleague to give up his security blankets, his religious nostrums, his conventions, his beliefs untested and unquestioned, and withstand the discomfort of going forth [ideologically] naked with open mind, come what may. He may not like what he discovers; but he will be more awake and aware for it, and more alive and free.

In my experience it typically takes a year or more of de-programming to undo each year of programming. The average Joe, when he finally finds himself on his own, has sixteen or more years of schooling to undo, and countless hours of TV. If he devoted himself to the task of unlearning all the bullshit and replacing it with actual knowledge he'd be fifty by the time he was done. There isn't time in life for this.

The best hope is to awaken young people, who haven't yet accumulated more mis-knowledge than they can afford to replace.

[Mouse]

I think most on this thread are open enough to entertain the possibility that the moon landing was faked. Even if not the case, it is understandable why it could be questioned. For one thing it would expose the extent of the deception that is occuring.

I do not think that many on this thread have an open enough mind to question even a bigger assumption:

http://www.geocentrism.com

Why would you create a virtual reality for one set of observers that are trapped to a fairly small playing field (Earth) which requires infinite amount of programming and processing power, when there are no other observers in other locations, if you could present a virtual reality based on the rule that the observers are stuck in the playing field which required only limited programming and processing? I would argue you would not, nor would God. It cannot be proved scientifically one way or the other.

The big-bang is ctrl-alt-del. Set the operating system, mount some devices, boot it up and there you are. Instant humanity.

Of course, this supports the idea of a Creator, Architect, or God. So people will naturally want to find some scientific means of avoiding that little issue. If you programmed all the history of the world up until such point you "went live", then all the bones would be there, all the rocks and sediments and fossils. All the stuff to make it real would be there. It was created for us. It's a fucking video game.

Someone wrote it. And he also wrote a neat book that tells you how to play and gives great insight into what the game is about.

If you want to expand the thought experiment a bit further, you could find that all of history up until some such date of your choosing (Perhaps going back two generations so that people who would know they were programs were dead) was already in the code. This thing could have been booted up in 1900 and all the rest is just imposed rules and story-boarding. We could actually be the only souls of humanity, right now, living out the script(ures) that were programmed into the game we are playing.

When you put it in terms of bits and bytes, it would be logical that some of the players might try to exploit weaknesses in the "system" to get advantage, and that some exploit might have given them some knowledge behind the curtain. These players might have gotten pissed off that they were playing a game and determined that they would continue to exploit the system in order to gain more power in the game, and tools with which to play; to further the goal of finding a way to beat the system, perhaps even take over the "network" where the server resides and lauch further attacks into whatever is "out there". Evil and greed is perhaps the hackers gaining a new resource they think they will need in another level. Furthermore, the hacking into the program is evidenced by biotech, pharma (mind control of other players) and actual cloning and bastardization (pollution, chemtrails) of the program/game landscape. They are somewhat successful in hacking it.

The ones that want to Out-God God. The hackers and grabblers and their minions. At some point there will be a required patch and the servers will have to be bounced.

Thanks for your post, it made me think a bit.

[wastrel]

It is usually good to question things. If, however, you question everything, you spend your entire life questioning and not actually doing anything. Indeed you may enter into the mode where you start to question even the questions that you're trying to question, and you end up in an infinite regression, and become a drooling madman rocking gently in the corner.

I saw the article originally posted over at lewrockwell.com, and read it. Then did a few google searches and found a vast multitude of articles answering every single one of the supposed indicators of it being a hoax. Frankly, on this one I'll go with it not being a hoax. I admit that I might be wrong, but I estimate that to be an extremely low probability.

Also, you may note that the writer of the article is given as "Morgan Reynolds is professor of economics emeritus, Texas A&M University, and a former chief economist in the U.S. Department of Labor." An economist writing on space exploration reminds me of several doctors and surgeons I've met, who assume that because they are excellent doctors they must necessarily also be fantastic sailors of yachts, or excellent rock climbers, without having to learn much about those activities. Sadly, the libertarian movement is full of economists who think that all of human behavior is solely economic, and thus they remain ignorant of any other type of motivation for human behavior, which leaves them wondering why so many of their theories aren't occurring in reality.

After consideration, I have removed lewrockwell.com from my bookmarks. Life is too short to waste time on a site where such lunacy (if you'll pardon my pun) is given any credence. Indeed, I also considered removing this site from my bookmarks, but then I thought that the very reason it may have been written and spread around is to get people to stop visiting sites like this, even when other threads and people are discussing other information that is quite valuable. (I do not know that this is the reason, and I am not trying to make an attack of any kind on the original poster of this thread... but we're supposed to question things, right?)

But oh, don't worry, I'm an extremely infrequent poster; I'm probably part of a conspiracy or something. Pay me no mind.

[Santa]

I'm probably part of a conspiracy or something.

Maybe you should look into it. As they say, "leave no stone unturned."

[skid]

It is usually good to question things. If, however, you question everything, you spend your entire life questioning and not actually doing anything. Indeed you may enter into the mode where you start to question even the questions that you're trying to question, and you end up in an infinite regression, and become a drooling madman rocking gently in the corner.

I saw the article originally posted over at lewrockwell.com, and read it. Then did a few google searches and found a vast multitude of articles answering every single one of the supposed indicators of it being a hoax. Frankly, on this one I'll go with it not being a hoax. I admit that I might be wrong, but I estimate that to be an extremely low probability.

Also, you may note that the writer of the article is given as "Morgan Reynolds is professor of economics emeritus, Texas A&M University, and a former chief economist in the U.S. Department of Labor." An economist writing on space exploration reminds me of several doctors and surgeons I've met, who assume that because they are excellent doctors they must necessarily also be fantastic sailors of yachts, or excellent rock climbers, without having to learn much about those activities. Sadly, the libertarian movement is full of economists who think that all of human behavior is solely economic, and thus they remain ignorant of any other type of motivation for human behavior, which leaves them wondering why so many of their theories aren't occurring in reality.

After consideration, I have removed lewrockwell.com from my bookmarks. Life is too short to waste time on a site where such lunacy (if you'll pardon my pun) is given any credence. Indeed, I also considered removing this site from my bookmarks, but then I thought that the very reason it may have been written and spread around is to get people to stop visiting sites like this, even when other threads and people are discussing other information that is quite valuable. (I do not know that this is the reason, and I am not trying to make an attack of any kind on the original poster of this thread... but we're supposed to question things, right?)

But oh, don't worry, I'm an extremely infrequent poster; I'm probably part of a conspiracy or something. Pay me no mind.

OK, so bring up your strongest evidence from the vast multitude of articles you found answering the the questions raised in this article. My mind can always be changed if the evidence is strong enough. You spent some time writing your post, surely you could spend a similar amount of time refuting the article...

[wastrel]

OK, so bring up your strongest evidence from the vast multitude of articles you found answering the the questions raised in this article. My mind can always be changed if the evidence is strong enough. You spent some time writing your post, surely you could spend a similar amount of time refuting the article...

No. I only spoon-feed infants. Go to google, type in "moon hoax answers", and start reading. You, or anyone, can read the responses and evaluate them for yourself. If you're really seeking the truth (or as close to it as anyone can get in this imperfect world), that will suffice. If you're not, nothing I could type here would be enough to convince you.

[skid]

No. I only spoon-feed infants. Go to google, type in "moon hoax answers", and start reading. You, or anyone, can read the responses and evaluate them for yourself. If you're really seeking the truth (or as close to it as anyone can get in this imperfect world), that will suffice. If you're not, nothing I could type here would be enough to convince you.

Yup, didn't think you had anything solid that you could share... Hmm, please answer why the lunar module isn't sitting in a crater and isn't covered in dust. See video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obd_j...yer_detailpage

See, isn't that easy to provide evidence? Took me all of 30 seconds. I don't mind spoon feeding. It's so easy!

[JDRock]

OK, so bring up your strongest evidence from the vast multitude of articles you found answering the the questions raised in this article. My mind can always be changed if the evidence is strong enough. You spent some time writing your post, surely you could spend a similar amount of time refuting the article...

A JUST question.

[Twisted Titan]

In my experience it typically takes a year or more of de-programming to undo each year of programming. The average Joe, when he finally finds himself on his own, has sixteen or more years of schooling to undo, and countless hours of TV. If he devoted himself to the task of unlearning all the bullshit and replacing it with actual knowledge he'd be fifty by the time he was done. There isn't time in life for this.

The best hope is to awaken young people, who haven't yet accumulated more mis-knowledge than they can afford to replace.

Nominated as Quote of The week

[JohnQPublic]

Why would you create a virtual reality for one set of observers that are trapped to a fairly small playing field (Earth) which requires infinite amount of programming and processing power, when there are no other observers in other locations, if you could present a virtual reality based on the rule that the observers are stuck in the playing field which required only limited programming and processing? I would argue you would not, nor would God. It cannot be proved scientifically one way or the other.

The big-bang is ctrl-alt-del. Set the operating system, mount some devices, boot it up and there you are. Instant humanity.

Of course, this supports the idea of a Creator, Architect, or God. So people will naturally want to find some scientific means of avoiding that little issue. If you programmed all the history of the world up until such point you "went live", then all the bones would be there, all the rocks and sediments and fossils. All the stuff to make it real would be there. It was created for us. It's a fucking video game.

Someone wrote it. And he also wrote a neat book that tells you how to play and gives great insight into what the game is about.

If you want to expand the thought experiment a bit further, you could find that all of history up until some such date of your choosing (Perhaps going back two generations so that people who would know they were programs were dead) was already in the code. This thing could have been booted up in 1900 and all the rest is just imposed rules and story-boarding. We could actually be the only souls of humanity, right now, living out the script(ures) that were programmed into the game we are playing.

When you put it in terms of bits and bytes, it would be logical that some of the players might try to exploit weaknesses in the "system" to get advantage, and that some exploit might have given them some knowledge behind the curtain. These players might have gotten pissed off that they were playing a game and determined that they would continue to exploit the system in order to gain more power in the game, and tools with which to play; to further the goal of finding a way to beat the system, perhaps even take over the "network" where the server resides and lauch further attacks into whatever is "out there". Evil and greed is perhaps the hackers gaining a new resource they think they will need in another level. Furthermore, the hacking into the program is evidenced by biotech, pharma (mind control of other players) and actual cloning and bastardization (pollution, chemtrails) of the program/game landscape. They are somewhat successful in hacking it.

The ones that want to Out-God God. The hackers and grabblers and their minions. At some point there will be a required patch and the servers will have to be bounced.

Thanks for your post, it made me think a bit.

Are you trying to interpret reality through the Matrix or something? I do believe there is a reality, and it is not completely obscured from us.

I see this issue as understanding the depth of the deception, and how long it has been going on. Scientifically, no one has ever established that the earth is moving or even rotating. We had a change in perception of the nature of the universe around 400 years ago. It did make some logical sense, and the establishment of the time jumped on it, confident that they would prove it correct within a hundred years or so. This issue is a fundamental one to the veracity of the current failing establishment.

A quote from Nietzsche:

"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."