If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

[JohnQPublic]

So the Hippocratic Oath has become the Hypocritic Oath?

That started when the AMA endorsed abortion.

[mamboni]

That started when the AMA endorsed abortion.

Yep. Who can argue with this statement, except for the perveyors of the death cult.

[Hatha Sunahara]

http://www.anh-usa.org/flu-sho-force...ealth-workers/

Far safer choices exist to keep people from catching the flu—the most important of which is to ensure an adequate level of vitamin D in your system. Even so, mainstream medicine, the mass media, and federal and local governments all push the flu vaccine as if it is humanity’s last, best hope.

Recently, i read about new 'research' that told me that Vitamin D has no effect on people at all. I didn't connect this new 'researrch' with the 'vaccine indistry' trying to squash alternatives. Where I had uncertainty about the effectiveness of Vitamin D, this deliberate slam on it by the vaccine industry gives me great confidence that it is an effective safeguard against the flu, and that I should avoid flu shots at all cost.


Hatha

[sirgonzo420]

So roll up the shirt and take the quicksilver? Well, if you think that is better for you...

That started when the AMA endorsed abortion.

You two gentlemen saved me two posts that I would have made virtually verbatim.

Instead, I consolidated and made this one post.

Kudos.

[DMac]

No deadline spelled out. But after reading the medical literature, I find the potential side effects acceptable from a riak standpoint - it is exceedingly low. As to the question of taking the flu vaccine - I do not like being told that I have to do anything, especially when it impacts directly on my body. But, I cannot make a defensible case against the vaccine vis-a-vis the evidence. On a practical side, I am a private contractor. If I miss 3 days of work, the cost to me personally is in the thousands of dollars. Balance that against the flu vaccine likely reducing my chance of contracting flu by about half. From a business standpoint, the flu vaccine is a fair hedge against loss. Now there are those in the alternative media who claim that the vaccine has long term detrimental health effects (i.e. damaged immunity, increased risk of Alzheimer's disease etc.). I have investigated the peer-reviewed studies and cannot find the publications to back up these claims. The Cochrane report finds thst flu vaccine has little to no benefit to the population in general. But to the specific question of whether mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers is a net benefit vis-a-vis preventing nosocomial flu there is one paper, only one, that does show significant benefit in preventing infection of patients and reducing worker sick time. So if I try to fight the shot, I standing on empirical quicksand.

So after all this bellyaching you're going to just shut up and take the shot?

[mamboni]

So after all this bellyaching you're going to just shut up and take the shot?

Bellyaching? Is is bellyaching to question an order, investigate the pros and cons, and discover that the consequences of acquiescences are acceptable vis-a-vis risks versus benefits. According to you, I should throw my entire medical career and livelihood away and refuse to take the flu shot, even though my review of the peer-reviewed medical literature does not disclose any compelling reason not to? Unlike you, I do not have luxury of simply saying no without severe and longstanding negative consequences. I would hardly call my conduct bellyaching. It's actually called riak-benefit analysis. And in the real world, it's usually the only tool one has to make a lesser-of-two-evils choice.

[EE_]

You know more vaccines are on the way...how many will you take?

http://www.profiletreasures.com/comm.../Bend-Over.jpg

Vaccines: Get the Full Story Doctors, Nurses and Scientists on Protecting Your Child and Yourself

Nicola Antonucci, MD
Todd M. Elsner, DC
Alexander Kotok, MD, PhD
Máximo Sandín, PhD
David Ayoub, MD
Jorge Esteves, MD
Eneko Landaburu, MD
Len Saputo, MD
Nancy Turner Banks, MD
Edward "Ted" Fogarty, MD
Luc Lemaire, DC
Michael Schachter, MD
Timur Baruti, MD
Jack Forbush, DO
Janet Levatin, MD
Viera Scheibner, PhD
Danny Beard, DC
Milani Gabriele, CRNA, RN
Thomas Levy, MD, JD
Penelope Shar, MD
Françoise Berthoud, MD
Sheila Gibson, MD, BSc
Stephen L'Hommedieu, DC
Bruce Shelton, MD, MD(H)
Russell Blaylock, MD
Mike Godfrey, MBBS
Paul Maher, MD, MPH
Debbi Silverman, MD
Fred Bloem, MD
Isaac Golden, ND
Andrew Maniotis, PhD
Kenneth “KP” Stoller, MD
Laura Bridgman, FNP, ND
Gary Goldman, PhD
Steve Marini, PhD, DC
Terri Su, MD
Kelly Brogan, MD
Garry Gordon, MD, DO, MD(H)
Juan Manuel Martínez Méndez, MD
Didier Tarte, MD
Sarah Buckley, MD
Doug Graham, DC
Sue McIntosh, MD
Leigh Ann Tatnall, RN
Rashid Buttar, DO
Boyd Haley, PhD
Richard Moskowitz, MD
Adiel Tel‐Oren, MD, DC
Harold Buttram, MD
Gayl Hamilton, MD
Sheri Nakken, RN, MA
Sherri Tenpenny, DO
Lisa Cantrell, RN
Linda Hegstrand, MD, PhD
Christiane Northrup, MD
Renee Tocco, DC
Lua Català Ferrer, MD
James Howenstine, MD
Amber Passini, MD
Demetra Vagias, MD, ND
Jennifer Craig, PhD, BSN, MA
Suzanne Humphries, MD
Ronald Peters, MD, MPH
Franco Verzella, MD
Robert Davidson, MD, PhD
Belén Igual Diaz, MD
Jean Pilette, MD
Julian Whitaker, MD
Ana de Leo, MD
Philip Incao, MD
Pat Rattigan, ND
Ronald Whitmont, MD
Carlos de Quero Kops, MD
Joyce Johnson, ND
Zoltan Rona, MD, MSc
Betty Wood, MD
Carolyn Dean, MD, ND
A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM
Chaim Rosenthal, MD
Eduardo Ángel Yahbes, MD
Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH
Tedd Koren, DC
Robert Rowen, MD

The above signatories represent a spectrum that includes pediatricians, family physicians, brain surgeons, and professors of pathology, chemistry, biology and immunology. All have independently researched the real science and have come to the conclusions you will read about in this document. MD, DO, MB, MBBCh all indicate a doctor of medicine. ND indicates a medically trained and licensed doctor in some areas. FNP indicates a family nurse practitioner.
Ever wonder why doctors can’t find the cause for many diseases? It’s because they are conditioned to ignore the relationship between illness and vaccines. These are some of the diseases that have documented associations with vaccines:
•
Allergies and eczema
•
Arthritis
•
Asthma 1
•
Autism
•
Acid reflux requiring an infant to take proton pump inhibitors, which have many side effects
•
Cancer
•
Diabetes (infant and childhood)
•
Kidney disease
•
Miscarriages
•
Long list of neurological and autoimmune diseases
•
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
•
And many, many more
These are some known vaccine side effects, documented in medical literature and/or in package inserts:
•
Arthritis, bleeding disorders, blood clots, heart attacks, sepsis
•
Ear infections
•
Fainting (with reports of broken bones)
•
Kidney failure requiring dialysis
•
Seizures/epilepsy
•
Severe allergic reactions, such as hives and anaphylaxis
•
Sudden death
•
Many common diagnoses given for hospital admissions.
•
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, (NVICP) has awarded more than $1.2 billion in damages to children and adults injured by vaccines.
Autism is associated with vaccines.
•
Autism was rare until the mass vaccination programs were accelerated in 1991, with the introduction of the hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB (meningitis) vaccine. Tens of thousands of parents will attest that autism appeared in their children very soon after they were given these, and other, vaccines.
•
Study the information on the website www.fourteenstudies.org. You will find the studies denying the association between autism and vaccines to be highly questionable.
Drug companies, insurance companies and the medical system get rich when you get sick.
•
Vaccines do not give life‐long immunity, which means booster shots are recommended.
•
Each booster shot increases the risk of more side effects.
•
Vaccine side effects can make you sick for the rest of your life. Conveniently, there are many drugs to treat the side effects caused by vaccines.
•
In the U.S., neither drug companies nor doctors can be sued when something bad happens from a vaccination. Both are protected by the 1986 National Child Vaccine Injury Act. This law, signed into effect by then‐president Ronald Reagan decreed: “No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine‐related injury or death.” (Public Law 99‐660)
Many doctors and health‐care practitioners do not get vaccinated and do not vaccinate their children. Why not?
•
They know vaccines are not proven to be safe or effective.
•
They know vaccines contain dangerous substances.
•
They know vaccines cause serious health problems.
•
They have treated patients with serious side effects from vaccines.
The only people who benefit from being healthy are you and those you care about.
•
Drug companies have infiltrated and seized control over the entire healthcare system, including medical schools, medical journals, hospitals, clinics and the local pharmacy. A doctor’s very livelihood thus depends on blind faith, without questioning any aspect of any vaccination. Even when obvious evidence of vaccine damage occurs right before a doctor’s eyes, s/he is usually unwilling to consider a vaccine as the cause. Though uncorrupt science and medicine support rejection of vaccines, doing so can be considered professional career suicide. The signatories to this document boldly risk this end for the safety of you and your child.
•
Hospitals benefit financially from hospitalizations and tests.
•
Drug companies make billions of dollars from vaccines.
•
Drug companies make tens of billions of dollars from drugs given to treat side effects and life‐time illnesses caused by vaccines.
•
Vaccines are the backbone of the medical system. Without vaccines, healthcare costs would go down because we would have a healthier overall society. We have exchanged chicken pox for autism, flu for asthma, ear infections for diabetes. The list goes on and on. In the zeal to eliminate a short list of relatively benign microbes, we have traded temporary illnesses for pervasive, life‐long diseases, disorders, dysfunctions and disabilities.
How many vaccines are there?
•
If U.S. children receive all doses of all vaccines, they are injected with up to 35 shots that contain 113 different kinds of disease particles, 59 different chemicals, four types of animal cells/DNA, human DNA from aborted fetal tissue and human albumin.
•
If you think you don’t have to worry about vaccines because your children are older, think again. There are at least 20 more vaccines currently in the development pipeline for release in the next few years, mostly targeting adolescents and adults.
Some Vaccine Ingredients: How is it possible that vaccines will not be harmful to your health?
•
Stray viruses and bacteria from the animal cell cultures that vaccines are made in.
•
Mercury, a well‐documented neurotoxin, is still in the multi‐dose flu vaccines throughout the world. Trace amounts remain in several other vaccines.
•
Aluminum, a poison that can cause bone, bone marrow and brain degeneration.
•
Animal cells from monkeys, dog kidneys, chickens, cows, and humans.
•
Formaldehyde (embalming fluid), a known carcinogen.
•
Polysorbate 80, known to cause infertility in female mice and testicular atrophy in male mice.
•
Gelatin, from pigs and cows, known to cause anaphylactic reactions, is found in large quantities in the MMR, chickenpox and shingles vaccines.
•
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) in inhaled flu vaccines, is known to cause metabolic disturbances (e.g. diabetes), seizures and other neurologic disorders.

Conflicts of Interest
•
The same people who make rules and recommendations about vaccination profit from vaccine sales. For example, Dr. Julie Gerberding, who was in charge of the CDC for eight years, is now the President of Merck Vaccines. Dr. Paul Offit, a member of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice(ACIP), developed and patented his own vaccine.
•
According to the CDC, the average U.S. 10‐doctor pediatric group has over $100,000 of vaccine inventory in their office to sell. These doctors make money from office visits and from giving your children vaccines, and also from follow up office visits for assessing reactions.
•
U.S. pediatricians reportedly make quarterly bonuses from the HMOs they work for by maintaining high vaccination rates in their practices and have reportedly been reprimanded by insurance companies if their vaccination rates fall.
Is there any research that shows the difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated children? The Cal‐Oregon project sponsored by Generation Rescue surveyed parents of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated U.S. children. Of the 17,674 children included in the survey, the results showed:
•
Vaccinated children had 120% more asthma.
•
Vaccinated boys had 317% more ADHD.
•
Vaccinated boys had 185% more neurologic disorders.
•
Vaccinated boys had 146% more autism.
Girls represented only 20% of the total number of children in the survey. To read the full study for yourself, go to www.generationrescue.org/pdf/survey.pdf. To read a report on the low incidence of autism among unvaccinated Amish children go to http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/quick‐compare‐2. More studies on autism are found here http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c.../japvaxautism/ and here http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...britvaxautism/
Vaccine Exemptions in the U.S.
•
You do have the right to refuse. Use it.
•
Your child does not have to be vaccinated to attend public school.
•
Every state has exemptions giving you the right to refuse unwanted vaccines. http://exemptmychild.com/10752
•
Find a healthcare provider who agrees with your choice to not vaccinate and will respect you at www.vaccinationcouncil.org/providers.pdf
Many choose health and safety by saying no to vaccines.
•
Groups that generally do not vaccinate include holistic practitioners, chiropractors, parents who home school, and those who belong to certain religions.
•
Thousands of testimonies written by parents of non‐vaccinated children about the state of their children’s robust health are available many places online.
•
Vaccination decisions are between you and your spouse/partner. No one else needs to know. It is not the business of your family members, your neighbors, or your in‐laws.
To have vibrant health, you will need to take the initiative to learn some new things.

•
The safe choice is to say no to vaccines. You have control over health choices you make for yourself and your children. You have no control over the outcome of a vaccination.
•
You do not need a pediatrician to simply weigh and measure your child and give shots. Consider a naturopathic doctor, a pediatric chiropractor, a doctor of oriental medicine, or a homeopathic doctor. You may find that family doctors of osteopathic medicine are more open‐minded about vaccine‐free choices.
•
Babies are born with powerful, natural defenses. If this were not so, all would die shortly after birth. Enormous cascades of complex immune processes start with the first cry. This needs to occur naturally, without the interruption caused by the injections of toxic substances.
•
Learn about the “vaccine preventable” diseases. Your children will never come in contact with most of them and if they do, nearly all healthy and unvaccinated children recover uneventfully, with long term immunity. Health cannot come through a needle.
•
Learn about the importance of fever, how to take care of it at home and when it is time to call the doctor. Most fevers resolve on their own, with care and support, in just a few hours. www.drtenpenny.com/fever.aspx
•
Understand that your child can be vaccinated and still contract the illness you are wishing to prevent. Vaccines may not provide the protection that people assume they do. Health cannot come through a needle.
•
Learn that the primary keys to health are good nutrition, pure water, adequate sleep, routine exercise and happiness.
•
Learn some simple information about vitamins, especially the critically important information about vitamin D3. Learn how to use basic herbs and basic homeopathy for health and for addressing minor illnesses.
•
Learn more than your doctor about vaccines. Your medical doctor has probably never read anything about vaccines except drug‐company and CDC‐sponsored publications that support their use.
•
Know that healthcare is something you pay for; sick care is covered by insurance. Your insurance will pay for drugs and vaccines.
•
Budget accordingly to stay healthy. Your life depends on it.

http://www.naturalnews.com/SpecialRe...eReport-EN.pdf

[beefsteak]

Mamboni,
I don't even pretend to walk in your league. However, Dr. Mercola with whom I have no doubt you are acquainted with as a modern medical practictioner (OD/Surgeon) has posted the following this day, re: CHILDREN and Vaccinations.

Complete with 2 vids.

I'm hopeful you will feel further informed as you pursue your scholarly and personal journey into this conundrum which is personal SHTF territory for you.

I know you are not a child, and this is focused on parent's w/children POV. However, we're all connected in this world, medically as well as socially.

Have you heard of this Dr. Palevsky, a board certified peds man?
Or this Barbara Loe Fisher speaker, Pres. National Cntr for Vaccine Safety?

-----------------------------


Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Palevsky

October 06 2012

http://media.mercola.com/Themes/merc...ages/print.png Print

Download Interview Transcript
To View the Full Dr. Palevsky Interview, please click HERE!
By Dr. Mercola

Dr. Lawrence Palevsky is a board-certified pediatrician who uses a holistic approach to children, wellness, and illness by incorporating nutritional science, environmental medicine, chiropractic, osteopathy, and other natural healing modalities in his pediatric office in New York.

He has also worked in pediatric emergency medicine, pediatric & neonatal intensive care medicine, and in-patient pediatric medicine.

He is one of the leading pediatricians in the United States that advocates a more conservative approach to using vaccines.

I first interviewed Dr. Palevsky back in 2009 and am now happy to share our most recent discussion, which covers some incredibly important information for parents and pediatricians alike.

Questions We Should All be Asking…

Dr. Palevsky started out in the conventional medical field as an ER physician, then went on to become an ICU doctor, working in neonatal intensive care. As he gained experience, he realized there were "questions that I didn't have answers for," which drove his curiosity and pushed him to explore Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, chiropractic, naturopathy, herbology, and other philosophies and healing modalities to use with his patients.

A major turning point came for him in 1991, when New York state passed a law mandating that every newborn get a hepatitis B vaccine. Dr. Palevsky continued:

"It was the first time that I saw vaccines being used for a disease that really wasn't present in the newborn or infant population. All the other vaccines that I had learned about came on the heels of a massive wipeout of disease of different populations. The vaccine was developed after the disease had occurred, but this was one of those preemptive strikes.

It made no sense to me that we were vaccinating a population that really had little to no risk of having a disease. I started to wonder what was really going on…"

Several years later, a patient's mother brought up the fact that there was mercury in vaccines, which he wasn't aware of. This, too, prompted Dr. Palevsky to wonder what else is in vaccines, and as he started to explore package inserts, the manufacturing process and the adverse effects of vaccines, he realized there was much more information to learn than what he had been taught in medical school (which was that vaccines are safe and effective, end of story).

He said:

"I did not turn my back when I heard parent after parent – in the dozens, in the hundreds, and then in the thousands – start to say that their children were fine, then they got vaccinated, and then something really bad happened to them acutely or within days, weeks, or even months. Those parents were told 100 percent of the time by the conventional medical system, 'It's a coincidence. It couldn't possibly be related to the vaccine.'

As a person who's curious about science and questioning, it became obvious to me that there may not be a coincidence here and that something more may be going on.

The literature is pretty supportive of the fact that vaccines have much greater adverse outcomes on the genotype of the body, the immune system of the body, the brain of the body, and the intracellular functions of the body than we are willing to tell the public about."

Proper Vaccine Safety Studies Have Not Been Conducted

Vaccine proponents have stated that there are over 20,000 studies that "prove" the safety of vaccines. But a closer inspection of those studies would likely reveal otherwise. Dr. Palevsky explained:

"…in order for us to really delve into those studies, we have to look at who supported the studies. What was the study design? What were the control groups? How big was the actual number of kids or adults that was used in those studies? I think we will see that in most of those studies, the actual safety has never really been proven.

One of the reasons that I think we can fairly say that is that the vaccine manufacturers and the conventional medical organizations have not done studies that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children. In order for us to really know if children who were vaccinated are having an adverse effect from a vaccine, we have to use a placebo group that's given an injection of maybe normal saline to evaluate whether or not they developed the same symptoms that children who were vaccinated may develop after they're injected with the vaccine.

Those studies are not done. They're not done because the conventional medical system says it's unethical to leave kids unvaccinated for any length of time. But, most of the vaccine safety studies that are being done last anywhere between one and four weeks anyway. The kids are followed within those one to four weeks. Then, they're not followed in a very detailed way to recognize whether any of their health outcomes could be related to the vaccine that they got one to four weeks ago.

What ends up happening is they compare the incidence rates of these vaccine reactions or these symptoms that kids get after they're vaccinated to how often those symptoms are seen in the general population, to check and see if this vaccinated group is in any way getting an increased incidence of these symptoms than the general population would get. But the fact of the matter is that the general population is vaccinated, so they're comparing a vaccinated group with a vaccinated group."

On top of that, the studies are not nearly long enough to show what the long-term implications of vaccinations might be.

"…they are not following children long enough to know whether in three months, six months, three years, six years, or 10 years, there could be some autoimmune antibody or some immune challenge that happens to the body that lingers or that just sits there as a genotypic effect. There's a change in the genetics, there's a change in the DNA, that doesn't necessarily manifest itself until years later because of other stressors, perhaps even from another vaccine that comes years later," Dr. Palevsky said.
None of those studies have been done, so I don't know how you can say that vaccines are safe.

…We're not looking at the micro-molecular levels to see, 'Okay, was there an autoimmune antibody produced? Were there other inflammatory markers produced? Where did those markers manifest? Did they stay in the body? Did they manifest into clinical symptoms? How are they relevant?' None of that science is being done. But we're just saying that vaccines are safe, because we've been doing it for so long. And anyone with a good scientific mind would say that's not adequate."

The World Isn't Flat…

There are increasing reports of pediatricians ostracizing patients that disagree with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) one-size-fits-all vaccination schedule. Some pediatricians will even resist answering your vaccination questions or concerns, or "fire" you as a patient and tell you to seek care elsewhere.

While most pediatricians enter the profession because they have an enduring love for children, many also firmly, and somewhat blindly, believe that there's no room for questions or disagreement regarding vaccinations. They, unfortunately, have not followed the path that Dr. Palevsky, myself and many other physicians have taken in seeking to look beneath the surface at the deeper issues.

Dr. Palevsky continued:

"These adherents are the same people that said the world was flat. This is the big problem, because the world isn't flat. Science evolves. What parents are finding, some physicians are finding, what a lot of scientists are finding is that the science is changing, that science is growing. It's growing to actually show things that we thought we knew are no longer as valid. 'The world was flat' was a very hard concept to accept, until 'The world was round.' I think that's the same thing that we're dealing with here.

That's why parents are being fired from their pediatrician's office: because the world is flat, and there is no possibility that the world could be round. I feel for these families, especially in areas where there are very few physicians for them to go to and to have care for their children."

A "Novel" Idea: You May be Better Off Getting Some Diseases in Childhood

The issue of vaccines potentially causing adverse reactions in the body is one issue. Another, often-overlooked, one is that some of the diseases vaccines are used to prevent may actually have a place in childhood – and may ultimately be beneficial for the child's future health.

Dr. Palevsky explained:

"…many of the illnesses that we vaccinate against are actually important illnesses for children so that their immune systems, nervous systems, and brains mature. I learned this back in the 1980s when I was a medical student being taught by physicians who practiced pediatrics in New York since the 1940s. What they said was that the kids in their practice who would get their measles, mumps, chicken pox, rubella, and flu illnesses, if they were left to their own devices, not medicated, and just left to be supported through their illness, after the illness was over, the physician always saw a developmental growth spurt.

What it speaks to is an understanding of virology, why viruses actually exist, and what they actually do in the body. They're meant to actually help protect the host, to clean the body out of waste, and to remove obstacles for optimal cellular function. This is what we're supposed to learn in medical school, but don't necessarily.

There are so many ways to support a child through many of these childhood viral illnesses… Many of them or most of them are actually pretty benign. They may not be benign in areas of the world where there's poverty, poor nutrition, poor sanitation, and war, which means that the conditions are not viable for optimal healing. But in a community of the United States where optimal healing is pretty reachable and pretty obtainable, most of these diseases are pretty benign."

The measles is a classic example, as in many cases it causes fever, runny nose, cough and rash, but clears up in a few days without serious consequences. In rare cases, however, measles can lead to encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) that can be serious and lead to deafness or retardation… and this was the impetus for developing the measles vaccine.

But as Dr. Palevsky explained, what actually happened was that cases of encephalitis increased dramatically after the vaccine was introduced:

"…When it was said that the reason the measles vaccine was implemented in 1963 was to prevent against the massive cases of encephalitis that occurred as a result of slow viral re-ignition of a measles infection months or years later, I went into CDC. I looked it up to see what was the incidence of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis or SSPE.

It showed that it was .0061 percent. There was .0061 percent incidence rate of encephalitis after measles infection. Well, that's not a massive number of cases of measles encephalitis.

But now, we have one in 88 children with autism, and it is pretty well documented in the literature that one of the hallmark pathologies in autism is brain encephalitis or brain inflammation.

One in 88 is 1.14 percent brain inflammation or 1.14 percent encephalitis. We've now gone from a .0061 percent encephalitis after measles infection to a 1.14 percent encephalitis rate in children.

Now, I don't know how much measles vaccine plays a role in that, but we have more cases of brain encephalitis after vaccination than we had before we started the measles vaccine. So, how successful are we in reducing some of the bad side effects of the diseases?"

What to Do if Your Child Has a Viral Illness

If your child does get sick, your first inclination may be to go the emergency room. This should be done immediately if your child is:

• Not alert, responsive or interactive
• Has a change in mental status
• Has a change in urine output
• Not breathing
• Skin color is gray or blue
• Limp or lethargic
• Under 3 months old with a fever

If these signs are not present, and your child is stable, Dr. Palevsky suggests the following:

"…one of the most important things that a parent can do is to stay with the child, so that they can monitor the progression. This is because things can change immediately… stay with the child. If the child is breastfeeding, breastfeed the child. If the child is not breastfeeding, hydrate. The best thing you can do for a child who's sick is to hydrate with either room temperature water or broths. If they eat chicken, a chicken broth. Again, nothing that's too strenuous.

I believe in what's called a starvation diet for kids when they're sick. Mostly because they're in such a state of stress that blood flow to the gut is diminished during a state of stress. Therefore, digestion is less efficient in their bodies.

Really keeping the food to a minimum – almost starvation. Really keeping it to broths, teas, soups, clear liquids, and observe. You want to keep the hydration going, open up the kidneys, allow for the flushing of fluids, and put them in warm baths, which will help to relax them and which will encourage bowel movements, which again is another way to get rid of wastes. Most of the reason that kids get sick is to move or get rid of wastes anyway.

The idea is to not put more waste in. You don't want to overfeed them. You don't want to over-stimulate them. You want to keep them in a room that's darker, that has less noise, less sound, and less visual input. You want to really lower the amount of information and activity that's feeding the nervous system and that's feeding the digestive system. And you watch. You continue to watch. You stay with the child. Studies will show that if the parent actually holds the child and breathes with the child, the child's breathing pattern will synchronize with the parent, and healing will occur faster.

…It's really a matter of supportive care, and this is old school. I mean, this is the way in which the pediatricians who taught me took care of their families in the 40s and 50s. They would sit next to the bedside of kids in their homes when the kids were sick. Obviously, physicians can't do that as much, but the parents can. And there are ways to stay in touch with the physician to make sure that things are going properly.

But families in my practice will see shorter durations of fever, shorter durations of illness, if they don't interfere with the body's physiology to get rid of the wastes from that illness, and if they don't overfeed the children, and keep things quiet."

How Can You Legally Opt Out of Vaccines?

Click on link for Religious Exemption video interview by Mercola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU9AG...embedded#t=17s

Download Interview Transcript w_Barbara Loe Fisher

All 50 states have enacted vaccine laws that require proof children have received certain vaccines in order to attend daycare, middle school, high school and college. However, in most states citizens currently have the legal right to opt out of using vaccines.

All 50 states allow a medical exemption to vaccination (medical exemptions must be approved by an M.D. or D.O.); 48 states allow a religious exemption to vaccination; and 17 states allow a personal, philosophical or conscientious belief exemption to vaccination.

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) recently completed a review of all state laws, so for more detailed information, please see the NVIC State Law & Vaccine Requirements page. However, also be aware that vaccine exemptions are currently under attack in every state because the wealthy and powerful Pharma/Medical Industry lobby is trying to take them away, especially the religious and philosophical or conscientious belief exemptions.

In the video above, Barbara Loe Fisher explains tips for opting out using the religious exemption, and Dr. Palevsky shared his advice as well:

"Every state in the United States has a medical exemption on the books, but the physician actually has to be willing to admit that what the child developed was related to the actual vaccination. If the physician writes that medical exemption, it may not exempt the child from other vaccines, because the physician may not be willing or capable of extrapolating that other vaccines might have similar effects being that that one vaccine or that set of vaccines had those effects.

It can be very difficult… Many times those exemptions are being rejected, because somebody in the state – who never saw the kid, who only has an opinion, and may not even know the literature completely – is going to reject it.

…There are about 19 or 20 states in the United States that have a philosophical exemption. What that philosophical exemption means is that the family has a conscientious belief that this is not a safe injection for my child…

Then there's the religious exemption. The religious exemption is on the books in 48 states. West Virginia and Mississippi are the two states in the union that do not have a religious exemption as well as the philosophical exemption.

But the religious exemption is coming under increasing attack in different states around the country, because people are being challenged about their religious exemption. They're being challenged about the sincerity and the genuineness of their personal religious beliefs. The parents in this country are not necessarily made aware that they have a philosophical exemption in 19 or 20 states and a religious exemption in 48 states to not get their kids vaccinated.

Then what happens when people are told that they have this option, they'll often say, 'But I'm not religious.' The thing is that the religious exemption – as I understand it – is not about belonging to a specific religion. It's more about your beliefs between you and your higher power – God, Buddha, Allah, you know, whatever higher power each person has. It's a way for people to come to their spiritual beliefs that the injection of these materials would be a desecration of what their higher power has created. And it is against their spiritual or religious belief to desecrate that which their higher power has created.

That's really the lines upon which the religious exemption should be used. Again, I've had families who actually came to their religious exemption through an understanding of the problems and the literature. They did their soul searching and their spiritual searching and found that, in fact, they now have this new belief that they didn't have before. That's what's available for parents in this country."

Joining the Critical Mass for Change

What we currently have is a one-sided policy; a single way of thinking that makes constructive and meaningful debate virtually impossible. Science is truly a field where you ask a question, you find an answer, and you make an ongoing effort to eliminate biases that could shed more light on the reality you are trying to reveal. We are not seeing that with vaccines.

Because the proper safety studies simply have not been performed, and there are many unanswered questions about vaccines' impact on a growing number of serious health conditions, you might be questioning their use yourself.

If so, you can have an open and honest conversation with your physician about your concerns. In both my and Dr. Palevsky's cases, it was a patient who first broached the topic that there could be more to the story. And if enough people speak up, we can reach a critical mass of the population that will prompt real change.

If your physician is not open to change, resources for finding a more supportive physician, and learning more about vaccination choice in general, include:

• www.DrPalevsky.com, and his Facebook page
• The National Vaccine Information Center
• Physicians practicing Chinese medicine, chiropractic, naturopathy, osteopathy, and homeopathy
• Inquire at your local health food store or talk to like-minded parents

Think Globally, Act Locally

While it seems "old-fashioned," one of the most effective actions you can take to protect the right to informed consent to vaccination and expand your rights under the law to make voluntary vaccine choices, is to get personally involved with your state legislators and the leaders in your community.

Mass vaccination policies are made at the federal level but vaccine laws are made at the state level, and it is at the state level where your action to protect your vaccine choice rights will have the greatest impact.

Signing up to be a user of NVIC's free online Advocacy Portal at www.NVICAdvocacy.org gives you access to practical, useful information to help you become an effective vaccine choice advocate in your own community.

You will get real-time Action Alerts about what you can do if there are threats to vaccine exemptions in your state. With the click of a mouse or one touch on a Smartphone screen you will be put in touch with YOUR elected representatives so you can let them know how you feel and what you want them to do. Plus, when national vaccine issues come up, you will have all the information you need to make sure your voice is heard.

So please, as your first step, sign up for the NVIC Advocacy Portal.

Internet Resources

I also encourage you to visit the following web pages on the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) website at www.NVIC.org:

• NVIC Memorial for Vaccine Victims: View descriptions and photos of children and adults, who have suffered vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths. If you or your child experiences an adverse vaccine event, please consider posting and sharing your story here.
• If You Vaccinate, Ask 8 Questions: Learn how to recognize vaccine reaction symptoms and prevent vaccine injuries.
• Vaccine Freedom Wall: View or post descriptions of harassment by doctors or state officials for making independent vaccine choices.

[EE_]

Next subject:
It has come to my attention that older patients are being coerced into filling out a very invasive and personal questionaire in order to receive service. Two I know that refused it.
Does anyone have any info on this? Is a death panel being planned?

3,000 doctors putting patients on 'death lists' that single them out to be allowed to die
By Steve Doughty
PUBLISHED: 19:23 EST, 17 October 2012 | UPDATED: 01:48 EST, 18 October 2012

Comments (206) Share

..
Thousands of patients have already been placed on 'death registers' which single them out to be allowed to die in comfort rather than be given life-saving treatment in hospital, it emerged last night.
Nearly 3,000 doctors have promised to draw up a list of patients they believe are likely to die within a year, Department of Health figures showed yesterday.
As part of an unpublicised campaign endorsed by ministers, GPs have been encouraged to make lists – officially known as End of Life Care Registers – of people they believe are going to die soon and should be helped to do so in comfort.

(File picture) Department of Health figures show nearly 3,000 doctors have promised to draw up a list of patients they believe are likely to die within a year
They have been asked to earmark elderly patients who show signs of frailty or deterioration during routine consultations at their surgeries.
Although more than 7,000 patients nationwide have already been put on the list, there appears to be no obligation for doctors to inform them.
Some medical professionals went public with their worries yesterday following the Daily Mail's disclosure of the NHS request to doctors to put one in every 100 of their patients on death lists.

More...Hospital spends just 73p a meal on patients - less than is put aside to feed prisoners
Patients with liver disease are 'up to 42% more likely to die' if admitted to hospital at the weekend
Lazarus Syndrome: Or how - as one British woman's just proved - waking from the dead is more common than you think
Put 1 in 100 patients on death list, GPs told: Frailest to be asked to choose 'end-of-life' care

Dr Peter Saunders, of the Christian Medical Fellowship, warned about the risks of drawing up 'quotas' for the dying.
'We all know that doctors' estimates of patients' lifespans can be sometimes accurate but sometimes wildly inaccurate,' he said.
'A skilled doctor can in the great majority of cases assess when a patient is within a few hours or days of death. However, once we start to talk about weeks or months we know that we can often be right, but equally very badly wrong.'
The NHS is pushing for the death lists at a time when a keystone of its 'end of life strategy', the Liverpool Care Pathway, has come under fierce criticism from leading medical figures and families who believe their loved ones have been wrongly picked out in hospitals as dying.


Mr Saunders yesterday said he was concerned about the increasing use of the Pathway, adding that 'we know that some people have been put on it inappropriately'.
Under the LCP, hospital patients judged to be in the last days and hours of life are spared life-saving treatment, and often heavily sedated and denied nutrition and fluid by tube.
One leading critic, NHS consultant Professor Patrick Pullicino, has said use of the Pathway is a self-fulfilling prophecy and amounts to assisted death.
Guidance for GPs says patients on the death registers should be asked if they wish to die at home so money can be saved on hospital admissions.
Patients are also being encouraged to make up 'living wills' which instruct doctors to withdraw food and fluid tubes if they become too ill to speak. Such patients, GPs have been told, are 'less likely to be subject to treatments of limited clinical value'.
Figures from Care Minister Norman Lamb in a report on the NHS End of Life Care Strategy show 2,900 doctors have signed up, including 1,000 GPs.
The report said by the end of March 333, GPs had registers in operation, with 7,723 names. Of these, 2,534 were patients diagnosed with illnesses other than cancer. Some 3,531 patients agreed to 'advanced care planning', which can include agreement to a living will.
Doctors do not appear to have been instructed to inform patients or families when names are added. No patient or family has yet come forward to say they knew about their inclusion in a register.
Instead doctors are encouraged to have discussions with patients in which they raise the question of how long they are likely to live and how they should be cared for.
NHS end of life care director Professor Sir Mike Richards said in the report that the campaign 'has reached its midpoint target of 1,000 GPs signed up by August 2012'.
The Department of Health said: 'Patients can be placed on the GP End of Life Care register without their knowledge. However, being on this register purely means they have been identified as needing an end of life care plan.
'It does not mean they are automatically placed on an end of life pathway. It does not mean they will not receive treatment.'
'People tell us they want to spend their last days in their own bed at home surrounded by loved ones, rather than in a hospital bed. GPs can help make sure that happens by offering the opportunity to prepare a plan.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...#ixzz29zkMojym
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

[LuckyStrike]

But after reading the medical literature, I find the potential side effects acceptable from a riak standpoint - it is exceedingly low.

Is that what it was about? Or was it a moral choice where they are forcing you to put something in your body against your will by threatening your livelihood?

I'm not judging you, I'm not in your shoes, but where is the line drawn? Once something is done it is never undone.


You say losing a few days work will translate to a few grand, when is the last time you had the flu? I have had a handful of tylenol my entire life so certainly no flu shot, and I very rarely get sick at all.

What if your childs school wanted them to get some STD vaccine, the risk/reward was equal to what you have read the flu vaccine is. If your child didn't get the vaccine they would be expelled. What would you do?

What if your wife was forced by her employer to get the same flu shot, and put under the same thing you are now. What would you do?