new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

[joboo]

I actually view the possibility of this being fake, and that conclusion being arrived at by a lot of people to be bigger than the gun debate. Here's why. In other threads, I've brought up the idea that we are quickly moving to a situation where we have to choose the lesser of two evils. This is what's always done...they get us to accept doing something bad to ourselves by giving us the option between bad and worse. The possibility that the gun issue could be eclipsed by the mass realization of a fake event transcends the plans of the armed civil war within the country. It's called the population waking up and saying enough: no more fake wars, no more fake laws, no more fake money, no more fake science, no more fake religion. It is not acceptable for me to submit to you, it is not acceptable for me to fight you, it is not acceptable for me to comply with you. I won't believe you, I won't fear you. That's where the real change in the future will come from. The fact that they either can't, or refuse, to publish the evidence for the tragedy that will give them their gun control makes no sense. I won't comply with them any longer. I won't believe anything. If they choose to provide evidence then I will accept it and accept whatever the evidence suggests. However, if they choose not to provide evidence, I will not believe them. It's their choice. I can't see why they wouldn't want to, but I'm not going to voluntarily twist my own perception of truth for them any more. I'm not bigoted, rather their AAA credit rating as far as believability has dropped so far over the last few years that I'm forced to take this position till they can show me the money. Stop telling me they're good for it.

Yes, the plan is to consolidate control over everything as easily as possible. You still have to keep a head level head over it, or at least outwardly be an ambassador for others, and keep away from the fringe associations at every opportunity.

You could spend days debating whether or not they photoshopped make believe people, and pictures of dead people with the president, over other more credible realities, and totally undermine your efforts to anyone that reads it, and thinks you're on to something.

Why drive people away by going straight to crazyville, and dance around that fire, when it ultimately doesn't help anything? The pentagon thing is the same deal. Any solid evidence for a missile? NO....none...zero. Any solid evidence for a plane? YES all kinds, but they didn't release other camera footage, and some windows didn't break, so it was 100% a missile. (facepalm).

This is where people get driven away, and the situation totally undermines itself as looney toons. Same deal with hate based sites. They might have good accurate info also, but people look at that, and roll their eyes as well. It's like shooting yourself in the foot....both feet perhaps.

I'd go so far to say whoever made that president dead girl youtube video is cointel. Total disinfo scenario there. People look at that, roll their eyes and think "Oh boy...yeap.... the conspiracy nuts are at it again."

At a certain point you have to ask yourself, "am I hurting the cause or helping it?"

[joboo]

Why do you keep saying for life? They only have to get away with it (whatever "it" is) for long enough to accomplish their goals- especially if something bigger and more distracting is coming up...

You somehow have to mind control people into thinking children that don't exist, somehow exist. As long as the people you're trying to fool are alive they have to be somehow mysteriously mind controlled.

Fake kids in schools, fake parents? How is that even possible? People are going to realize nobody is missing in the school, and what parents have which children. It's madness.

All the people that know this will talk about it throughout the town over the years, and cannot be silenced forever. At some point in the lives of 100's of people it's going to come out. Talk about loose ends!

[joboo]

$1,000 to turn in your neighbor

Did you get that from WRH?

Wondering why is says "Uploaded on Jan 15, 2012 by GunOwnersofAmerica"
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...ighbors/30352/

Is that from a year ago, or recent?... I dunno. youtube says uploaded recently.

[joboo]

Let us revisit the beginning of the thread & get back on track, with the second "terrorist" escaping.

It's a question for sure. It was supposed to be the janitor initially, does anyone know who it is ultimately? Nopes.

Was the guy in the school, did he hear shots, and see bullets flying out some windows, and freaked out thinking he was going to get shot? Was he initially inside the school or walking outside? Who knows?

If it was a person walking by the school would it make the media, and police look incompetent if they reported it differently as just someone going for a walk and freaked out after hearing guns blazing? Could be.

Did he get left behind from "the op"? ....but that would mean the kids probably got shot, and are not alive and faked. Hmm.

You're not going to be allowed to find out ultimately, but does that mean you should then entertain wildly fringe ideas like fake missing kids, and fake parents to fill in the puzzle pieces?

Not such a great idea really.

[Glass]

I remember the explanation of how the kids were reunited with their kids at the firehouse. The kids and the parents were kept separate and one by one, their identities were checked and the parents identities were checked and then the children were bought to the parents. Reasonable process I suppose. I wonder if all the kids were reunited? I suppose so. So many people around it would be hard to over look a child.

It was interesting on the police dispatch, very early on, like 10 or 15 minutes after the call there is a radio transmission instructing people to set up this actual thing. We will keep the kids and parents separate and we'll set it up at the firehouse.

I spent a bit of time looking at any aerial footage I could find of the events. 1 thing I did notice was that there was this yellow crime scene tape everywhere. There was tape all the way round the car and over to the wall by the building. From other angles the front entrance to the building was also taped off. There were many dozens of police standing around, some in groups, some in uniform, some not in uniform, some not cops but no uniform so don't know what.

I noticed that very few people crossed the crime scene tape and when they did to go into the building, it was only in pairs or three's and they all were escorted in and it seemed to be escorted back out again and always by someone who was already in there. You see, it's a crime scene and while there are hundreds of people milling about, only a very small number of those actually went into the building. The rest stayed outside. There are not many eye witnesses to the aftermath.

[vacuum]

Yes, the plan is to consolidate control over everything as easily as possible. You still have to keep a head level head over it, or at least outwardly be an ambassador for others, and keep away from the fringe associations at every opportunity.

You could spend days debating whether or not they photoshopped make believe people, and pictures of dead people with the president, over other more credible realities, and totally undermine your efforts to anyone that reads it, and thinks you're on to something.

Why drive people away by going straight to crazyville, and dance around that fire, when it ultimately doesn't help anything? The pentagon thing is the same deal. Any solid evidence for a missile? NO....none...zero. Any solid evidence for a plane? YES all kinds, but they didn't release other camera footage, and some windows didn't break, so it was 100% a missile. (facepalm).

This is where people get driven away, and the situation totally undermines itself as looney toons. Same deal with hate based sites. They might have good accurate info also, but people look at that, and roll their eyes as well. It's like shooting yourself in the foot....both feet perhaps.

I'd go so far to say whoever made that president dead girl youtube video is cointel. Total disinfo scenario there. People look at that, roll their eyes and think "Oh boy...yeap.... the conspiracy nuts are at it again."

At a certain point you have to ask yourself, "am I hurting the cause or helping it?"

I see your point of view, and it does seem reasonable. You're kind of advocating picking your battles. Hold back on one's true thoughts to skillfully interact with the public at large in order to steer the locomotive enough to avert disaster. Reason with the public, not shock them.

I am doing a writeup and hopefully will be able to share it with you in not too long. It's basically about what the real battle is. Is it to stop certain legislation? Is it to develop some collective, reasonable, view which can be a rallying point for all? Is it giving a new political alternative in a Ron Paul-esque way, and directing people towards that movement instead of the false movement they participate in? Is it to mortally wound the devil and/or defeat him on the great battlefield? I don't believe the battle revolves around those things.

[Hatha Sunahara]

You somehow have to mind control people into thinking children that don't exist, somehow exist. As long as the people you're trying to fool are alive they have to be somehow mysteriously mind controlled.

Fake kids in schools, fake parents? How is that even possible? People are going to realize nobody is missing in the school, and what parents have which children. It's madness.

All the people that know this will talk about it throughout the town over the years, and cannot be silenced forever. At some point in the lives of 100's of people it's going to come out. Talk about loose ends!

How are 19 dead Arab hijackers possible? Some of whom are still alive? Why are they closing down the school?

Does anybody in Newtown know who Robbie Parker and Emilie Parker are? What about Adam Lanza? Did anybody know him? Are there any records of him? Are there any records of any of the 'dead' people?

What we are watching is a new kind of mind control. Media mind control. Media induced trauma by fake story. All that is necessary is for people to believe it for the instant they are told. That creates the emotional trauma. That trauma is not forgotten, even as the facts emerge, even when the whole thing is proven to be a fraud. It's like the people who bought Edsels. Nobody wants to admit they were duped. So they go on believing the fraudulent story. Their sense of identity depends on it.

Yes, you can have mass mind control. You are watching it here right in front of your eyes. Is there an agenda that it serves? It appears to be gun control. Combine that with fear, and you have a malleable population. The fear comes from reports of DHS buying billions of hollow point bullets. Nobody knows what for. Leave it to their imaginations. Then traumatize them. Make them believe a bunch of innocent kids were killed. Then they will give up their guns. There are a few billion bullets for anybody who resists. Do it. Give up those guns. It's the right thing to do. This is the message. Is it mind control? Looks like it to me.


Hatha

[JohnQPublic]

You somehow have to mind control people into thinking children that don't exist, somehow exist. As long as the people you're trying to fool are alive they have to be somehow mysteriously mind controlled.

Fake kids in schools, fake parents? How is that even possible? People are going to realize nobody is missing in the school, and what parents have which children. It's madness.

All the people that know this will talk about it throughout the town over the years, and cannot be silenced forever. At some point in the lives of 100's of people it's going to come out. Talk about loose ends!

There is a lot of room between all kids and parents faked in a fake school to to some kids faked /actor parents in a real school, etc. We just do not know at this point. Maybe, exactly what was reported (with some sorting and explanations) is what happened, but at this point we do not know. If it is the case, then people were so freaked out that they made a lot of huge mistakes (and this is possible considering the horror of what is reported).

The real issue is that no one trusts the media (or many of the authorities). This is very unfortunate. Journalists should have been on this story likes ants on sugar, but instead they repeat spoon-fed soundbites.

[joboo]

How are 19 dead Arab hijackers possible? Some of whom are still alive? Hatha

Because they're suspicious terrorist brown people living in a country that has no credibility in the conscious mind of the Western world. A Western town of white people has infinite more credibility, and voice by comparison.

Friends of the Lanza's have been interviewed. Did they fake the parents, and the places they worked, and all the employees there?
Is the brother fake as well, including his facebook page, and all the friends on it?

Is their house Photoshopped at that address? Is the address faked too? Nobody could just drive by, and look for themselves? Did they construct a fake house at a fake address just for this?

This event is not making people give up their guns, a few maybe....are they even giving them up, or is the media lying about that as well?

By and large it's making people buy more.

[mamboni]

Because they're suspicious terrorist brown people living in a country that has no credibility in the conscious mind of the Western world. A Western town of white people has infinite more credibility, and voice by comparison.

Ok, explain this:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...efore-Shooting!