new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

[Horn]

Alls they need to do is release a photo of the bloody up inside of the school, you're correct.

Thing is it still wouldn't deny all those second shooter claims & video in the woods. Inconsistency in initial reports.

My thought is its all just to let intelligent folks know that they are no longer needed in this society, or The Priests have assumed control.

[PatColo]

^ not a novel theory at this point vacuum, I've heard it & variations of it spoken about in numerous podcast discussions, etc. Three "The Ugly Truth" personalities (Glenn, Piper, Tillawi) did a joint radio show where they unanimously discouraged "truthers" from taking the "sandy hook bait". Outspoke S.H. skeptic Jim Fetzer was also on through more than half the show, but was nary allowed to complete a sentence without interruption. The podcast's reviews were almost unanimously negative in comments by dedicated reader/listeners, myself included. More on that here: #955

[vacuum]

lol, look at this comment on youtube on the video horn posted....this comment was made 5 minutes ago. Good stuff.



Grenville84 5 minutes ago
1) Mass shooting does actually occur
2) Deliberately misleading reports & red herrings dispersed by media
3) Conspiracy theories propounded to account for the red herrings
4) Left to boil until conspiracies are rife and widely discussed (nearly 10m views here!)
5) Conspiracy theories are officially proven wrong, red herrings shown to be coincidental
6) Media reports how damaging the conspiracy theories were for the families
7) Fresh attempts to censor the internet
Attack on 1st amendment?

· 2

[Twisted Titan]

ok guys, I have an extremely paranoid alternate theory of what's actually happening. I'm mainly posting this just to get it on the record.

It's possible that the shooting was real but intentionally made to look fake. It could be a false hoax. Once a truth movement is built and is really going strong, they could then release all of the hard evidence. The pictures, security footage, names, autopsy reports, etc. Everyone would feel horrible (it wouldn't be their fault though because evidence was withheld).

Why would they do such a thing? To shatter people's faith in each other and themselves. It would be very similar to the comet Elenin thing - hyped, perhaps intentionally, then nothing. People will be extremely skeptical about any other comet story in the future. It's no different than the silver market. They artificially pump up the market sometimes so that silver bugs panic and buy, then they not only remove the artificial support, but then perhaps artificially depress it so that people really have their confidence shaken.

The other thing is that, once the fact that the "hoax" is destroyed, the question of whether it was a false flag will then never be able to be discussed. Because "the hoax theory has already been debunked, you despicable person" even though that fact would have nothing to do with whether it was indeed a FF.

Why did I come up with this extremely paranoid theory? Because this whole thing seems to have so many problems it's hard to believe they really tried. Chad has given some conflicting reports. And also, as I mention, it's not unheard of to actually pump up then crash 'the alternative' (whether doom dates or metals prices).

With this theory clearly articulated beforehand, if it does come about, we can come back and point to this to prove that we were indeed not out of our minds, but were simply rationally responding to evidence presented to us. We aren't simply making conspiracies up as we go, as would seem to be the case if we later claim it was a "false hoax but still a false flag" if they purposefully hold back the evidence while purposefully giving false evidence, then at a later date release the real evidence. It's neither our fault nor improper thinking or behavior if they were to do such a thing.

Anyway, carry on...

If they did........it would be a FIRST in the History of FF's


Which is Highly unlikely because you are under the assumption that the adversary cares enough about you to defeat you strategically.

I submit to that they do not.

Why would I use a scapel when a simple Sledge Hammer will suffice?

911 was the greatest failure in the History of integellence yet was any person brought up on charges?? Hell nobody didnt even lose their Job.

So why you think they put that type of effort out is a tad bit hard for me to accept.

But i must concur that the possibility does exist.

[Agrippa]

I've been trying to make sense of the Sandy Hook puzzle, and, while I haven't found a grand-unified theory which explains all the oddities that have been documented, I think I've found a way to stick a few of the pieces together to make a partial picture.

My assumption is that a shooting actually happened at the school, although the question of who conducted it is largely left open.

Let's start this story shortly after the shooting. The police have arrived, the first reports start to filter out. At 11:34 AM the police on the scene issue a statement that that the shooter is dead, and they found a Glock and a Sig-Sauer on him. Since even the dullest cop could tell the difference between a floor littered with .223 brass and one littered with handgun brass, the fact that only handguns were mentioned strongly suggests that there was no AR involved.

When this story of a tragic school shooting hit the news, members of the White House's “Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste” team (shortened to NWAC hereafter) would have started to buzz with excitement. They were planning a gun-control push for Obama's second term, and the timing of this shooting seemed perfect. They would have immediately started considering how to put this crisis to best use.

By 1:57 PM an “Anonymous federal law enforcement source” who claimed to be “in contact with authorities on the scene” was leaking info to CNN. This suggests to me that the NWAC team were in contact with police on the scene, had decided to become the conduit for information released about the shooting, and had basically taken control of the incident.

Many of the early details the NWAC team leaked turned out to be wrong: The Ryan / Adam mix-up, for example. These guys are political hacks, not detectives, and they were getting raw intel from the scene and releasing it without vetting. Probably someone ran the license on the car, decided it couldn't be Nancy, found records of a son Ryan and jumped to the conclusion it was him. The nice thing about leaking info anonymously is that you never have to take the blame for it being wrong.

At 3:54 PM, the NWAC team leaked to CNN that a Bushmaster was found on the scene along with the Glock & Sig-Sauer. Now, it isn't remotely credible that it took police four and a half hours after searching Lanza to realize that he had an AR in his pocket that they'd missed. The NWAC team had decided they wanted an assault-weapon involved, since the first item on their gun-control agenda was Diane's ban: so they simply inserted one into the story.

That evening after dark one of the networks was tipped off to send their helicopter by the school, where the cops put on a show of discovering an “assault weapon” in the trunk of the shooter's car by flashlight. I suspect this was directed by the NWAC team to inject an additional gun into the story, or was perhaps an after-the-fact effort on the part of the locals to explain the extra gun they were supposed to have found. At that point in time they don't seem to have firmed-up exactly what they wanted or were going to claim with regards to the guns involved: they just knew they wanted an assault-weapon.

At 7:05 the next morning, Lt. Vance was on ABC's Good Morning America, and was asked:

ABC: “Three guns found on site?”

Lt. Vance: “We haven’t discussed that as of yet, but, uh, in excess of three guns”.

So, the number of guns found on the site was something that was slated for a discussion that hadn't been held yet: in other words, it was going to be a political decision.

Later that day, Lt. Vance had his discussion with the NWAC team. They decided that it wasn't enough for an assault weapon to have been discovered: it was to be the weapon used for the murders.

At some point that day, I'd guess early-afternoon, members of the NWAC team took the Medical Examiner, Dr. Carver, aside for a little talk. Although he wasn't enthusiastic about it, they eventually prevailed upon him to falsify his testimony and claim that an assault weapon had been the murder weapon. It was just a little lie, after all, and it was for the children....

I suspect that Dr. Carver's cooperation was secured shortly before his 3:45 PM press conference, as it explains some of the oddness of his presentation. His opening remarks about how he hoped this wouldn't come crashing down on them makes a lot of sense in this context: he was worried that the assault-weapon hoax would be discovered.

Once the questions started flying, Dr. Carver realized that he hadn't been briefed on important details like the caliber of the imaginary assault weapon that he was supposed to blame, or even what type of weapon it was supposed to be (details that wouldn't occur to the anti-gun political hacks of the NWAC team). This is why he hemmed-and-hawed and wouldn't answer the caliber question, and finally settled on the phrase “the long weapon” to describe the murder weapon: he simply didn't know these details of the story he was supposed to tell, and was afraid that any specifics he might give would contradict whatever the “official story” was supposed to be.

When a reporter stated that they thought the AR had been discovered in the car, Lt. Vance pipped up with a “That's not correct, Sir”. Note that he didn't volunteer to say where it had been found, since they hadn't worked that out themselves (and still haven't, as far as I know).

At this point, they were committed to the lie. That commitment explains a lot of other things about this case: why no one can be allowed into the school, why there are no pictures of the physical damage, the closed caskets and the story of the victims being shot multiple times in the head to explain them. Any evidence that would contradict the .223 story has to be suppressed: and that is pretty-much all the physical evidence.

The only actual physical evidence that I've seen was a car with a couple of .22 caliber holes in it, which had been removed from the school grounds before the photos were taken: so it could have picked up those holes after the fact. The owner of that car was dead, so who would object?

Shortly after the Medical Examiner's performance, the NWAC team realized that their story was starting to spin out of control. They responded by clamping down on all info, getting a court-order sealing the evidence, and letting their media-whores know that they should “move-on” with their coverage.

This theory seems to me to be a good fit for many of the facts of this case. It doesn't explain the strangely-acting parents. It strongly suggests that the NWAC team didn't make the shooting happen, since if they had they could have made it happen the way they wanted rather than trying to warp it into what they needed after the fact. Other than that it doesn't place limits on the shooter & shooting: so perhaps there is an intersecting conspiracy to unravel.

To test this theory would require some access to physical evidence, or eyewitness testimony. There would be a number of cops who would know the score. If I were the parent of one of the slain children, I'd demand an independent autopsy.

[gunny highway]

lol, look at this comment on youtube on the video horn posted....this comment was made 5 minutes ago. Good stuff.



Grenville84 5 minutes ago
1) Mass shooting does actually occur
2) Deliberately misleading reports & red herrings dispersed by media
3) Conspiracy theories propounded to account for the red herrings
4) Left to boil until conspiracies are rife and widely discussed (nearly 10m views here!)
5) Conspiracy theories are officially proven wrong, red herrings shown to be coincidental
6) Media reports how damaging the conspiracy theories were for the families
7) Fresh attempts to censor the internet
Attack on 1st amendment?

· 2

This never crossed my mind but it makes sense. And they can kill two birds with one stone, the 1st and 2nd Amendments. It's genius really. I'd be impressed if it weren't so damn scary.

[Santa]

Well, this business sure adds weight to the expression, "It's all smoke and mirrors."

[Son-of-Liberty]

ok guys, I have an extremely paranoid alternate theory of what's actually happening. I'm mainly posting this just to get it on the record.

It's possible that the shooting was real but intentionally made to look fake. It could be a false hoax. Once a truth movement is built and is really going strong, they could then release all of the hard evidence. The pictures, security footage, names, autopsy reports, etc. Everyone would feel horrible (it wouldn't be their fault though because evidence was withheld).

Why would they do such a thing? To shatter people's faith in each other and themselves. It would be very similar to the comet Elenin thing - hyped, perhaps intentionally, then nothing. People will be extremely skeptical about any other comet story in the future. It's no different than the silver market. They artificially pump up the market sometimes so that silver bugs panic and buy, then they not only remove the artificial support, but then perhaps artificially depress it so that people really have their confidence shaken.

The other thing is that, once the fact that the "hoax" is destroyed, the question of whether it was a false flag will then never be able to be discussed. Because "the hoax theory has already been debunked, you despicable person" even though that fact would have nothing to do with whether it was indeed a FF.

Why did I come up with this extremely paranoid theory? Because this whole thing seems to have so many problems it's hard to believe they really tried. Chad has given some conflicting reports. And also, as I mention, it's not unheard of to actually pump up then crash 'the alternative' (whether doom dates or metals prices).

With this theory clearly articulated beforehand, if it does come about, we can come back and point to this to prove that we were indeed not out of our minds, but were simply rationally responding to evidence presented to us. We aren't simply making conspiracies up as we go, as would seem to be the case if we later claim it was a "false hoax but still a false flag" if they purposefully hold back the evidence while purposefully giving false evidence, then at a later date release the real evidence. It's neither our fault nor improper thinking or behavior if they were to do such a thing.

Anyway, carry on...

This is a possibility but even if this was the plan I don't think it would work very well. The conspiracy theory doesn't hinge on just one or two vital pieces of information.

Most of us aren't saying that the whole thing is a hoax. Just that it is a false flag and there are a lot of discrepancies and weirdness surrounding the official story.

If they were to release video footage from the school that actually shows Adam Lanza in action (which I highly doubt they have.) That doesn't destroy all the other confounding evidence. What about the bad acting? What about the guy arrested in the woods? What about the Victoria Soto face book page? What about the Donation pages? What about the news article that quotes the dead principle? What about the reports of no rifle, 2 handguns, 4 handguns, rifle found in car, rifle found in school, Ryan Lanza did it etc?

I can't see how they could possibly explain all these things without raising the question of how and why all this false information was released and allowed to circulate for so long.

I think they are stuck with the narrative they cooked up at this point.

[sunshine05]

ok guys, I have an extremely paranoid alternate theory of what's actually happening. I'm mainly posting this just to get it on the record.

It's possible that the shooting was real but intentionally made to look fake. It could be a false hoax. Once a truth movement is built and is really going strong, they could then release all of the hard evidence. The pictures, security footage, names, autopsy reports, etc. Everyone would feel horrible (it wouldn't be their fault though because evidence was withheld).

Why would they do such a thing? To shatter people's faith in each other and themselves. It would be very similar to the comet Elenin thing - hyped, perhaps intentionally, then nothing. People will be extremely skeptical about any other comet story in the future. It's no different than the silver market. They artificially pump up the market sometimes so that silver bugs panic and buy, then they not only remove the artificial support, but then perhaps artificially depress it so that people really have their confidence shaken.

The other thing is that, once the fact that the "hoax" is destroyed, the question of whether it was a false flag will then never be able to be discussed. Because "the hoax theory has already been debunked, you despicable person" even though that fact would have nothing to do with whether it was indeed a FF.

Why did I come up with this extremely paranoid theory? Because this whole thing seems to have so many problems it's hard to believe they really tried. Chad has given some conflicting reports. And also, as I mention, it's not unheard of to actually pump up then crash 'the alternative' (whether doom dates or metals prices).

With this theory clearly articulated beforehand, if it does come about, we can come back and point to this to prove that we were indeed not out of our minds, but were simply rationally responding to evidence presented to us. We aren't simply making conspiracies up as we go, as would seem to be the case if we later claim it was a "false hoax but still a false flag" if they purposefully hold back the evidence while purposefully giving false evidence, then at a later date release the real evidence. It's neither our fault nor improper thinking or behavior if they were to do such a thing.

Anyway, carry on...

I think this is very possible. One thing I've already noticed is that they see that people are looking into this closely and slowly over time they have tried to explain away some of the questions. For example, they now say that Adam wore earplugs in response to many saying that an autistic person would never do a shooting like this because they are sound sensitive.

They now say that he was wearing a fishing style vest, NOT a bullet proof vest in response to many questioning why one would wear one and then shoot themselves.

They now say that the person in the woods was just an off duty cop from another town. (nothing to see here folks, move along).

They are desperately trying to counter the "wacko conspiracy theorists" but I don't think it's working.

I won't be surprised if they do release something more solid soon, video or photos but at this point I think they've already lost so much trust that it's going to be tough for people to believe anything from them.

[joboo]

lol, look at this comment on youtube on the video horn posted....this comment was made 5 minutes ago. Good stuff.



Grenville84 5 minutes ago
1) Mass shooting does actually occur
2) Deliberately misleading reports & red herrings dispersed by media
3) Conspiracy theories propounded to account for the red herrings
4) Left to boil until conspiracies are rife and widely discussed (nearly 10m views here!)
5) Conspiracy theories are officially proven wrong, red herrings shown to be coincidental
6) Media reports how damaging the conspiracy theories were for the families
7) Fresh attempts to censor the internet
Attack on 1st amendment?

· 2

This is why people need to keep a level head, and stick what is known instead of immediately flying off into the unknown. People start acting irrationally, it becomes contagious, and it escalates out of control. Next thing you know everything is fake, and nothing was ever real.