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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum View Post
    ok guys, I have an extremely paranoid alternate theory of what's actually happening. I'm mainly posting this just to get it on the record.

    It's possible that the shooting was real but intentionally made to look fake. It could be a false hoax. Once a truth movement is built and is really going strong, they could then release all of the hard evidence. The pictures, security footage, names, autopsy reports, etc. Everyone would feel horrible (it wouldn't be their fault though because evidence was withheld).

    Why would they do such a thing? To shatter people's faith in each other and themselves. It would be very similar to the comet Elenin thing - hyped, perhaps intentionally, then nothing. People will be extremely skeptical about any other comet story in the future. It's no different than the silver market. They artificially pump up the market sometimes so that silver bugs panic and buy, then they not only remove the artificial support, but then perhaps artificially depress it so that people really have their confidence shaken.

    The other thing is that, once the fact that the "hoax" is destroyed, the question of whether it was a false flag will then never be able to be discussed. Because "the hoax theory has already been debunked, you despicable person" even though that fact would have nothing to do with whether it was indeed a FF.

    Why did I come up with this extremely paranoid theory? Because this whole thing seems to have so many problems it's hard to believe they really tried. Chad has given some conflicting reports. And also, as I mention, it's not unheard of to actually pump up then crash 'the alternative' (whether doom dates or metals prices).

    With this theory clearly articulated beforehand, if it does come about, we can come back and point to this to prove that we were indeed not out of our minds, but were simply rationally responding to evidence presented to us. We aren't simply making conspiracies up as we go, as would seem to be the case if we later claim it was a "false hoax but still a false flag" if they purposefully hold back the evidence while purposefully giving false evidence, then at a later date release the real evidence. It's neither our fault nor improper thinking or behavior if they were to do such a thing.

    Anyway, carry on...
    That's not paranoid at all. It's called reality based thinking imo.

    Everyone is so eager to go zooming down a rabbit hole these days. 9II withdrawal? I dunno...
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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    I've been trying to make sense of the Sandy Hook puzzle, and, while I haven't found a grand-unified theory which explains all the oddities that have been documented, I think I've found a way to stick a few of the pieces together to make a partial picture.

    My assumption is that a shooting actually happened at the school, although the question of who conducted it is largely left open.

    Let's start this story shortly after the shooting. The police have arrived, the first reports start to filter out. At 11:34 AM the police on the scene issue a statement that that the shooter is dead, and they found a Glock and a Sig-Sauer on him. Since even the dullest cop could tell the difference between a floor littered with .223 brass and one littered with handgun brass, the fact that only handguns were mentioned strongly suggests that there was no AR involved.

    When this story of a tragic school shooting hit the news, members of the White House's “Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste” team (shortened to NWAC hereafter) would have started to buzz with excitement. They were planning a gun-control push for Obama's second term, and the timing of this shooting seemed perfect. They would have immediately started considering how to put this crisis to best use.

    By 1:57 PM an “Anonymous federal law enforcement source” who claimed to be “in contact with authorities on the scene” was leaking info to CNN. This suggests to me that the NWAC team were in contact with police on the scene, had decided to become the conduit for information released about the shooting, and had basically taken control of the incident.

    Many of the early details the NWAC team leaked turned out to be wrong: The Ryan / Adam mix-up, for example. These guys are political hacks, not detectives, and they were getting raw intel from the scene and releasing it without vetting. Probably someone ran the license on the car, decided it couldn't be Nancy, found records of a son Ryan and jumped to the conclusion it was him. The nice thing about leaking info anonymously is that you never have to take the blame for it being wrong.

    At 3:54 PM, the NWAC team leaked to CNN that a Bushmaster was found on the scene along with the Glock & Sig-Sauer. Now, it isn't remotely credible that it took police four and a half hours after searching Lanza to realize that he had an AR in his pocket that they'd missed. The NWAC team had decided they wanted an assault-weapon involved, since the first item on their gun-control agenda was Diane's ban: so they simply inserted one into the story.

    That evening after dark one of the networks was tipped off to send their helicopter by the school, where the cops put on a show of discovering an “assault weapon” in the trunk of the shooter's car by flashlight. I suspect this was directed by the NWAC team to inject an additional gun into the story, or was perhaps an after-the-fact effort on the part of the locals to explain the extra gun they were supposed to have found. At that point in time they don't seem to have firmed-up exactly what they wanted or were going to claim with regards to the guns involved: they just knew they wanted an assault-weapon.

    At 7:05 the next morning, Lt. Vance was on ABC's Good Morning America, and was asked:

    ABC: “Three guns found on site?”

    Lt. Vance: “We haven’t discussed that as of yet, but, uh, in excess of three guns”.

    So, the number of guns found on the site was something that was slated for a discussion that hadn't been held yet: in other words, it was going to be a political decision.

    Later that day, Lt. Vance had his discussion with the NWAC team. They decided that it wasn't enough for an assault weapon to have been discovered: it was to be the weapon used for the murders.

    At some point that day, I'd guess early-afternoon, members of the NWAC team took the Medical Examiner, Dr. Carver, aside for a little talk. Although he wasn't enthusiastic about it, they eventually prevailed upon him to falsify his testimony and claim that an assault weapon had been the murder weapon. It was just a little lie, after all, and it was for the children....

    I suspect that Dr. Carver's cooperation was secured shortly before his 3:45 PM press conference, as it explains some of the oddness of his presentation. His opening remarks about how he hoped this wouldn't come crashing down on them makes a lot of sense in this context: he was worried that the assault-weapon hoax would be discovered.

    Once the questions started flying, Dr. Carver realized that he hadn't been briefed on important details like the caliber of the imaginary assault weapon that he was supposed to blame, or even what type of weapon it was supposed to be (details that wouldn't occur to the anti-gun political hacks of the NWAC team). This is why he hemmed-and-hawed and wouldn't answer the caliber question, and finally settled on the phrase “the long weapon” to describe the murder weapon: he simply didn't know these details of the story he was supposed to tell, and was afraid that any specifics he might give would contradict whatever the “official story” was supposed to be.

    When a reporter stated that they thought the AR had been discovered in the car, Lt. Vance pipped up with a “That's not correct, Sir”. Note that he didn't volunteer to say where it had been found, since they hadn't worked that out themselves (and still haven't, as far as I know).

    At this point, they were committed to the lie. That commitment explains a lot of other things about this case: why no one can be allowed into the school, why there are no pictures of the physical damage, the closed caskets and the story of the victims being shot multiple times in the head to explain them. Any evidence that would contradict the .223 story has to be suppressed: and that is pretty-much all the physical evidence.

    The only actual physical evidence that I've seen was a car with a couple of .22 caliber holes in it, which had been removed from the school grounds before the photos were taken: so it could have picked up those holes after the fact. The owner of that car was dead, so who would object?

    Shortly after the Medical Examiner's performance, the NWAC team realized that their story was starting to spin out of control. They responded by clamping down on all info, getting a court-order sealing the evidence, and letting their media-whores know that they should “move-on” with their coverage.

    This theory seems to me to be a good fit for many of the facts of this case. It doesn't explain the strangely-acting parents. It strongly suggests that the NWAC team didn't make the shooting happen, since if they had they could have made it happen the way they wanted rather than trying to warp it into what they needed after the fact. Other than that it doesn't place limits on the shooter & shooting: so perhaps there is an intersecting conspiracy to unravel.

    To test this theory would require some access to physical evidence, or eyewitness testimony. There would be a number of cops who would know the score. If I were the parent of one of the slain children, I'd demand an independent autopsy.
    Very well wrtiien analysis and summary - completely plausable. Thank you - this is excellent.
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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum View Post
    ok guys, I have an extremely paranoid alternate theory of what's actually happening. I'm mainly posting this just to get it on the record.

    It's possible that the shooting was real but intentionally made to look fake. It could be a false hoax. Once a truth movement is built and is really going strong, they could then release all of the hard evidence. The pictures, security footage, names, autopsy reports, etc. Everyone would feel horrible (it wouldn't be their fault though because evidence was withheld).

    Why would they do such a thing? To shatter people's faith in each other and themselves. It would be very similar to the comet Elenin thing - hyped, perhaps intentionally, then nothing. People will be extremely skeptical about any other comet story in the future. It's no different than the silver market. They artificially pump up the market sometimes so that silver bugs panic and buy, then they not only remove the artificial support, but then perhaps artificially depress it so that people really have their confidence shaken.

    The other thing is that, once the fact that the "hoax" is destroyed, the question of whether it was a false flag will then never be able to be discussed. Because "the hoax theory has already been debunked, you despicable person" even though that fact would have nothing to do with whether it was indeed a FF.

    Why did I come up with this extremely paranoid theory? Because this whole thing seems to have so many problems it's hard to believe they really tried. Chad has given some conflicting reports. And also, as I mention, it's not unheard of to actually pump up then crash 'the alternative' (whether doom dates or metals prices).

    With this theory clearly articulated beforehand, if it does come about, we can come back and point to this to prove that we were indeed not out of our minds, but were simply rationally responding to evidence presented to us. We aren't simply making conspiracies up as we go, as would seem to be the case if we later claim it was a "false hoax but still a false flag" if they purposefully hold back the evidence while purposefully giving false evidence, then at a later date release the real evidence. It's neither our fault nor improper thinking or behavior if they were to do such a thing.

    Anyway, carry on...
    The thought has also occurred to me that it's a massive psyop to finally and forever discredit and destroy 'truthers'.

    The fact that search engines are now showing/anticipating 'sandy hook hoax' etc. searches so well along with the matter of the 'truthers' 'hoax' going viral (the woman who cuts my hair was telling me about how her daughter's boyfriend was all over the Sandy Hook hoax thing reminds me of the story of the elevator operator giving out stock advice to people at the end of the stock market bubble in '29 - this woman I'm referring to had also 'bought in' when she's someone I wouldn't necessarily expect doing that) gives me an indication that it may be a setup.

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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Agrippa's analysis above is excellent. It conforms with my experience of the behavior of political bureaucrats, and how they weave agenda driven stories. This analysis explains the behavior of the public officials disseminating 'information'. but it falls short of explaining the behavior of the 'next of kin' of the people killed.

    I have a few observations to make and questions to ask. First, how sound is the assumption that an actual shooting took place and that people were actually killed? I ask this because of the suspicion that the parents of the kids who were killed were actors. We have Jennifer Sexton Greenberg posing as the mother of one dead child. She was also an actress in the Gaby Giffords shooting. And then we have Robbie Parker, the father of Emilie giving a third rate performance. And the others who were a little too cheerful to be in mourning for their lost children. And Adam Lanza's strange emergence from several years of absence from public view? And how many people knew Noah Pozner? Also, why did we not see any children being evacuated from the school in the helicopter videos? Supposedly there were more than 400 kids in that school. We saw only one still picture of a few kids being led somewhere, and that picture could have been taken at any time in the past.

    You are being generous, Agrippa, to assume that the NWAC team latched on to this crisis after the fact. How could the actors like Robbie Parker show up so fast? They must have known about this long beforehand, and that means somebody planned the whole incident, organized, staffed, coordinated, and controlled it. And why was there DHS/FEMA training going on in Bridgeport about 20 miles away on the 'needs of children in crisis situations' on the exact day and time of the incident? Did the NWAC team arrange that on the fly? No. That was planned months in advance. This is a full blown psy-op. Planned and executed by some hard core psycho/sociopaths and popular mythmakers. Not a casual individual random shooting by a lone crazed gunman.



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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Quote Originally Posted by PatColo View Post
    CIA Spokesman Anderson Cooper Sent by Masters to Discredit Independent Sandy Hook Investigations

    here's a vid embedded above, it's a longer version of the clip at the CNN link in reply 966, just more of the same faux 'righteous indignation' shtick from AC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaQwpqnnhm4
    Someone should ask Cooper the pooper snooper if he believes there are any government cover-ups and conspiracies.

    Do you believe the official JFK story?
    Gulf of Tonkin cover-up?
    9/11, building 7 just fell, pentagon hit?
    Fast-n-Furious cover-up?
    Benghazi cover-up?
    Banker bailouts were in the trillions?
    election/voter fraud?
    secret societies?
    Nixon Watergate?
    Iraq war, weapons of mass destruction?
    Osama Bin Ladin death?
    Freemasonry/illuminatti?
    Clinton's murders?
    Holohoax official story?
    Wall Street and government in bed?
    Libor fraud?
    Obama eligibility, birth certificate legit?
    Mortgage fraud cover-up?
    NWO is real?
    secret assassinations of US citizens?

    If you believe any of these were conspiracies or cover-up's, does this not lead one to believe there are more?

    I personally believe the children were killed. I do not believe the official story.
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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Quote Originally Posted by Horn View Post
    Alls they need to do is release a photo of the bloody up inside of the school, you're correct.

    Thing is it still wouldn't deny all those second shooter claims & video in the woods. Inconsistency in initial reports.

    My thought is its all just to let intelligent folks know that they are no longer needed in this society, or The Priests have assumed control.

    As "nice" as it would be to see this, can you imagine how much worse the hysteria would be if they plastered photos of dead kids with blood all over the place in the media?

    The anti's would have gone completely insane.

    If they really wanted to ramp up the gun grab to stellar levels put all kinds of carnage pics out there.

    Little arms and legs, partially covered by bloody blankets. Easy enough to do. Gives pause for thought.
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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Quote Originally Posted by joboo View Post
    As "nice" as it would be to see this, can you imagine how much worse the hysteria would be if they plastered photos of dead kids with blood all over the place in the media?

    The anti's would have gone completely insane.

    If they really wanted to ramp up the gun grab to stellar levels put all kinds of carnage pics out there.

    Little arms and legs, partially covered by bloody blankets. Easy enough to do. Gives pause for thought.
    And blame the released photos on "sandy hook truther hackers"

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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    Quote Originally Posted by joboo View Post
    As "nice" as it would be to see this, can you imagine how much worse the hysteria would be if they plastered photos of dead kids with blood all over the place in the media?

    The anti's would have gone completely insane.

    If they really wanted to ramp up the gun grab to stellar levels put all kinds of carnage pics out there.

    Little arms and legs, partially covered by bloody blankets. Easy enough to do. Gives pause for thought.

    This is coming next, if they feel the need.

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    Re: new shooting: Newtown, Conn. details breaking

    TUT blog is continuing their campaign of distancing from S.H. "CTs",

    Mask of Zion Report Jan 17, 2012 Posted by crescentandcross in Uncategorized on January 17, 2013

    In yet another barnburner of the Mask of Zion Report, the one and only Jonathan Azaziah addresses the nuances and dangers of the “Sandy Hook truth movement” before delving into the newest Zionist wars of aggression on Mali and Algeria before signing off with a heartfelt tribute to the martyrs of the Aleppo University massacre in Syria. A brilliant and important program.


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    BREAKING NEWS–NO PHOTOS OF DEAD BODIES AT AURORA, COLORADO SHOOTING

    Posted by crescentandcross in Uncategorized on January 17, 2013


    An exhaustive study of the internet has uncovered the fact that there are NO PHOTOS of dead bodies, blood, bullet holes, etc, that would prove that the massacre at Aurora, Colorado (said to have been perpetrated by James Holmes, pictured above) in fact took place.


    Given that this is one of the ‘proofs’ being used by ‘Sandy Hook Truthers’ to prove that the massacre in Connecticut in fact DID NOT take place (and which has now become the subject of ridicule by the JMSM) what we are forced to conclude is that the massacre in Aurora, Colorado also did not take place, and is all part of a huge conspiracy on the part of Israel to propagandize Americans into giving up their guns.


    UPDATE–AN EXTENSIVE STUDY OF THE INTERNET HAS ALSO UNCOVERED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO PHOTOS OF BLOOD, BULLET HOLES, ETC, THAT WOULD PROVE THAT THE MASSACRE TAKING PLACE ON UTOYA ISLAND, NORWAY DID IN FACT OCCUR. ANDERS BREIVIK IS AN INNOCENT MAN.


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    ed note–Again, let us ask ourselves the following question–When Foxman, Schumer, Dershowitz & co read articles such as this, what is their initial reaction?
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