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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    Quote Originally Posted by mamboni View Post
    I've been sick with a lingering head cold for 2 months now. It started a few days after I received the flu vaccination. Coincidence or causality? Who the hell knows? All I know is that I have never been this sickly in my entire life and I am sick and fucking tired of a stuffy runny fucking nose and feeling fucking tired all the fucking time. Did I mention that I am pissed off too.
    You should have been on sick leave for the last two months then. The reason why the hospital mandated the vaccine was so that your bugs wouldn't infect patients of the hospital. You got an infection following the injection, whether it is causal or not doesn't matter. Neither the fact that you don't see patients, you weren't excluded from the mandatory vaccination for this reason. Clearly you should be on a payed sick leave to protect the hospitals patients from danger...

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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neuro View Post
    You should have been on sick leave for the last two months then. The reason why the hospital mandated the vaccine was so that your bugs wouldn't infect patients of the hospital. You got an infection following the injection, whether it is causal or not doesn't matter. Neither the fact that you don't see patients, you weren't excluded from the mandatory vaccination for this reason. Clearly you should be on a payed sick leave to protect the hospitals patients from danger...
    I am in private practice - if I don't work I don't get paid. So I haven't missed a day's work in twenty years. Whether I'm on death's door or have fungating tumors popping out of my head, I get my ass to work. It's called reality and I'll take it over a cushy desk job where I get paid for make work any time. I sleep at night with a clear conscience....and stuffy nose and sniffles.

    Did I mention that I've had a fucking head cold for 2 months now?
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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    Dang, I'm sorry to hear about this, mamboni. Maybe a vacation is in order? Even self-employed folks need a break from time to time. I can tell this is stressing you out; I bet a solid week of rest, lots of vitamins and healthy food would help you tremendously.
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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    Quote Originally Posted by mamboni View Post
    Did I mention that I've had a fucking head cold for 2 months now?
    Try taking these two and do not call in the morning!

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    May help you forget your cold!
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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    Quote Originally Posted by madfranks View Post
    Dang, I'm sorry to hear about this, mamboni. Maybe a vacation is in order? Even self-employed folks need a break from time to time. I can tell this is stressing you out; I bet a solid week of rest, lots of vitamins and healthy food would help you tremendously.
    Yeah, you are right. But I don't want to slow down. I have four years left on my contract and I have to make the money while I still can. I'll be 61 when my contract expires. If I can I will quit. Or if necessary, I'll hang on long enough (~1 year) to groom a successor. Yeah, I'm tired.
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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    Quote Originally Posted by mamboni View Post
    I've been sick with a lingering head cold for 2 months now. It started a few days after I received the flu vaccination. Coincidence or causality? Who the hell knows? All I know is that I have never been this sickly in my entire life and I am sick and fucking tired of a stuffy runny fucking nose and feeling fucking tired all the fucking time. Did I mention that I am pissed off too.

    No one has a head cold for two months.

    Its no coincidence you got this two days after the flu shots.

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    OP, I couldn't help but to post this here. The search engine is lacking and I detest the memory hole. If you wish I'll start a new thread.

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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    Johns Hopkins Scientist Blasts CDC for Pushing Flu Shot

    Federal health authorities vastly overstate the benefits of the flu shot and, for most healthy people, vaccination is unnecessary at best and potentially risky at worst, a Johns Hopkins scientist tells Newmax's Steve Malzberg.

    Peter Doshi, an influenza expert with the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, contends vaccines pushed by health authorities are less effective and cause more side effects than acknowledged by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Doshi, who recently published a withering report on influenza vaccines in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), says the studies that inform CDC's flu policy show the vaccine doesn’t cover all strains of flu, and that life-threatening complications from influenza are fairly rare, but side effects can be serious.


    "I’m not convinced that influenza is a major public health threat so I have problems with the overarching policy [pushing flu shots], but on a personal level I fit in the healthy adults [category] and so influenza’s particularly not a threat for me and for most healthy adults," says Doshi, noting he doesn’t get the flu shot himself.

    "This is a disease which is unpleasant if you do get it and most people don’t get it — it’s far more rare than we think — and this is again one of the big problems … we’re lead to think that everybody’s getting it and everyone is at risk for serious complications. The risk is quite a bit lower than we’re led to believe."

    Doshi also notes that the vaccine approved every year doesn’t protect against all circulating strains of the flu, so it doesn’t offer the protection against flu complications it’s believed to confer. The flu is caused by many different viral and microbial strains, with just one in six cases of flu actually tied to influenza, he argues.

    "The other side is even if you do want to reduce whatever small [flu] risk there may be, it’s not clear at all that influenza vaccines are going to prevent the serious outcomes that really the reason the vaccine exists. If you want to take the vaccine to lower your risk of having influenza, there is some evidence that it does do that but … you need to vaccinate between 33 and 100 healthy adults for just one of those people to avoid having influenza."

    "So if you imagine this as the perfect vaccine that works 100 percent of the time that means it’s going to work against one in six flu [cases]," he says. "You would think it would work 100 percent of the time but it's not.


    Doshi notes that promoting influenza vaccines is one of the most aggressive public health policies in the United States, with drug companies and public officials pressing for widespread vaccination each fall.

    CDC officials argue flu vaccines are important because influenza comes with a risk of serious complications that can cause death, especially in seniors and those with chronic illnesses. The agency cites two studies of influenza vaccines — published in peer-reviewed scientific journals and carried out by academic and government researchers with non-commercial funding — that both found a large (up to 48 percent) reduction in the risk of death.

    But Doshi argues those reported reduction in death rates may be due to the "healthy-user effect" — the tendency for healthier people to be vaccinated more than less-healthy people. What’s more, other research on the effects of influenza vaccine in older people found no decrease in deaths and a study released in February found that the flu shot was only 9 percent effective in protecting seniors against the 2012-2013 season's most virulent influenza bug.

    "People are lead to hold these unrealistically high expectations of what this vaccine can do given all the marketing around it when there’s no reason to have those high expectations," Doshi contends.

    Doshi says marketing the flu shot is big business, but even otherwise well-meaning doctors and health officials get caught up in promoting the vaccine.

    "There’s money involved everywhere but that, I don’t think, is really how to understand or explain why a lot of people with good intentions like your own doctor are also unaware of most of the evidence here," he says. "Your doctor is not likely doing his own homework on this. They’re relying on sources like CDC to tell us what the evidence says.
    "And … have you ever heard the phrase, don't just stand there, do something? Well no matter how bad the evidence might look for this vaccine — how poor the effectiveness might be — if there’s something, they take the position that something is always better than nothing."

    The problem, he adds, is that the flu vaccine — like all medicine — carries a risk of side effects.

    "I don’t want to put any false scares out here because mostly this appears to be a safe vaccine [but] that doesn’t mean that harms don’t occur," he notes. "So when we think that this is risk free we’re wrong. In fact in Australia and Sweden and Finland they had some serious [flu-shot-related] adverse events that nobody predicted that occurred just in 2009."
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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    UK Government Bribes Hospitals to Vaccinate Staff


    According to MK News, the UK Government has decided there is more than one way to force hospital staff into receiving this year’s flu vaccine. Knowing that many hospitals are struggling financially, the government has decided to turn their hand to bribery by offering extra cash to financially dependent hospitals, on the proviso that they vaccinate all their staff with this year’s flu vaccine. MK News, reporting on the story, said:
    Figures have revealed that less than half of all frontline NHS staff are vaccinated against flu, and at some hospitals, this can fall as low as one in five.
    But in order to give hospitals an incentive for extra cash, the funds will only be released to them if they meet a robust target of vaccinating 75 percent of staff against flu.
    And while the figures will not affect the hospitals’ £1.4m funding this year, if they do not meet the figures, it will affect the amount they are given next year.”
    What this means is that any hospital failing to meet this year’s flu vaccination target will not only fail to receive this year’s extra funding, but they will also lose out next year as well.

    UK’s Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt explained that he wanted every NHS trust to vaccinate more than 75 percent of their staff this year in order to protect vulnerable patients. [2]


    An Unofficial, Unethical, and Illogical Mandate

    However, is forced vaccination the way forward? Many irate hospital staff are extremely angry and have accused the UK government of emotional blackmail, calling the move unethical. One health care professional, commenting on the story in Nursing Times, stated:
    This isn’t giving people a choice to get vaccinated or not. Sounds like they’re holding trusts to ransom, saying you’ve got to get 75 percent of your staff vaccinated so that the underfunded A&E departments can receive a little top up (after years of under-resourcing). Or, it’s a great ploy of not paying anything at all, as a good guess that there won’t be enough staff getting vaccinated.
    Flu jabs are no guarantee of keeping people out of A&E over winter.
    Also, does this mean people who don’t work in the NHS or where there isn’t an A&E won’t have to worry?
    I [would] like to see/hear chief execs, directors, senior managers and politicians all get their jabs first, then work a couple weeks as frontline staff would between Christmas and New Year, lead by example and put their money where their mouth is. [3]
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    Re: If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

    I am surprised that those "board members" who declare all must be shot have not been shot themselves.

    If someone puts my life and welfare at risk, I will defend. If they like injections so much, I suppose there are many kinds of injections they could receive.
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